Hmmm wasn’t expecting a lighter and smaller Summilux-SL 50mm f/1.4 lens. But seems to fit with Leica’s smaller/lighter design approach to the SL system these last few years. More than interesting IMO…
I’m certainly not the target demographic for this, as I don’t really need a pro body or Leica branding. That said, if this is really _really_ just an S1Rii with Leica badging then I would love to hear from someone why it’s worth paying so much extra for that Leica name plate.
Hmmm wasn’t expecting a lighter and smaller Summilux-SL 50mm f/1.4 lens. But seems to fit with Leica’s smaller/lighter design approach to the SL system these last few years. More than interesting IMO…
I wonder if they're going to just re-badge the Sigma version
icarus_ wrote:
I’m certainly not the target demographic for this, as I don’t really need a pro body or Leica branding. That said, if this is really _really_ just an S1Rii with Leica badging then I would love to hear from someone why it’s worth paying so much extra for that Leica name plate.
Use a Panasonic and then use the SL-
Then tell me its just a name plate-
Worth the cost? To some 100%
Most people don’t say people are just buying an Audi or a Lexus just for the name plate over Volkswagen or Toyota
icarus_ wrote:
I’m certainly not the target demographic for this, as I don’t really need a pro body or Leica branding. That said, if this is really _really_ just an S1Rii with Leica badging then I would love to hear from someone why it’s worth paying so much extra for that Leica name plate.
The SL3/SL3-S are already LUMIX cameras that Leica is leaning on for tech and internals. Why all of a sudden now do you want to hear about this?
highdesertmesa wrote:
The SL3/SL3-S are already LUMIX cameras that Leica is leaning on for tech and internals. Why all of a sudden now do you want to hear about this?
Curiosity, mostly. The P was the first one I'd heard of being directly compared to a Lumix. I guess the same question applies to the regular SL3 and S if they are reskinned Panasonics.
icarus_ wrote:
Curiosity, mostly. The P was the first one I'd heard of being directly compared to a Lumix. I guess the same question applies to the regular SL3 and S if they are reskinned Panasonics.
I see. IMO: The Leicas are built better. I liked my S5IIX, but compared to its sensor-sibling SL2-S, it feels more cheaply made to me. The SL3/-S is IP54 rated if that’s important to you. I think the bigger question is why buy the LUMIX when it’s outclassed in many ways by Canon and Sony alternatives? I’m not sure SL buyers are doing that same value comparison. They are buying into the build quality, ergonomics, haptics, etc. of the Leicas. If there’s one valid criticism of Leica, it’s their abysmal repair times, though I’ve read they’re faster with SL repairs than M.
My understanding is that the AF algorithms are designed differently, and if you are going to use native SL AF glass, the pairing provides a better performance. OTOH, if you are going to use the Panny / Siggy variants, the SL defaults to a more generic algorithm ... courtesy of anecdotal (i.e. can't source it) info.
Sensor stack differences and microlens shape differences are also optical engineering diff's to purportedly play nice with wide M glass adaptations. The IP54 rating (with SL glass, presumed) is already noted, and their design for heat sink / thermal dissipation might be a bit different given the metal vs. poly build.
Whether or not those things are of value to a given person or not ... they do represent a bit more enginerring diff's than mererly slapping on a red dot and bumping the price. Likely more to it than that, but while it is more about "infrastructure" than "features" ... it is also more than just a red dot glued on to a Panny (iiuc).
Structural strength of LCD articulation / flipping is different, too (iirc).
Streamlined layout / menu ... subjective to whether a person prefers the "less is more" vs. more tactile knobs, levers and buttons .
I suppose there's more than I'm aware of, but again ... more than just a red dot and some glue.
highdesertmesa wrote:
I see. IMO: The Leicas are built better. I liked my S5IIX, but compared to its sensor-sibling SL2-S, it feels more cheaply made to me. The SL3/-S is IP54 rated if that’s important to you. I think the bigger question is why buy the LUMIX when it’s outclassed in many ways by Canon and Sony alternatives? I’m not sure SL buyers are doing that same value comparison. They are buying into the build quality, ergonomics, haptics, etc. of the Leicas. If there’s one valid criticism of Leica, it’s their abysmal repair times, though I’ve read they’re faster with SL repairs than M....Show more →
Thank you for sharing! I will admit I am a little lost by the appeal of the Leica SL series overall when it seems like in objective performance (AF speed, glass quality, sensor performance, etc) Sony and Canon's pro bodies are as good as if not better while being much more reasonably priced.
One thing I have heard about the SL2-S which maybe crosses over to the SL3-S is its low light capability is exceptional. In this, though, I would expect it to be comparable to the S5IIX. What are these numbering schemes anyway
RustyBug wrote:
My understanding is that the AF algorithms are designed differently, and if you are going to use native SL AF glass, the pairing provides a better performance. OTOH, if you are going to use the Panny / Siggy variants, the SL defaults to a more generic algorithm ... courtesy of anecdotal (i.e. can't source it) info.
Sensor stack differences and microlens shape differences are also optical engineering diff's to purportedly play nice with wide M glass adaptations. The IP54 rating (with SL glass, presumed) is already noted, and their design for heat sink / thermal dissipation might be a bit different given the metal vs. poly build.
Whether or not those things are of value to a given person or not ... they do represent a bit more enginerring diff's than mererly slapping on a red dot and bumping the price. Likely more to it than that, but while it is more about "infrastructure" than "features" ... it is also more than just a red dot glued on to a Panny (iiuc).
Structural strength of LCD articulation / flipping is different, too (iirc).
Streamlined layout / menu ... subjective to whether a person prefers the "less is more" vs. more tactile knobs, levers and buttons .
I suppose there's more than I'm aware of, but again ... more than just a red dot and some glue.
Streamlined menu is something I can absolutely get down with. I have a Q2, Q2M, and Sony A7R4 for mirrorless bodies. I vastly, vastly prefer the Q2 menu system.
icarus_ wrote:
Thank you for sharing! I will admit I am a little lost by the appeal of the Leica SL series overall when it seems like in objective performance (AF speed, glass quality, sensor performance, etc) Sony and Canon's pro bodies are as good as if not better while being much more reasonably priced.
One thing I have heard about the SL2-S which maybe crosses over to the SL3-S is its low light capability is exceptional. In this, though, I would expect it to be comparable to the S5IIX. What are these numbering schemes anyway
One benefit of the partnership with Panasonic is whatever video bells and whistles the LUMIX cameras have also move over to the SLs – like open gate recording and anamorphic desqueeze.
highdesertmesa wrote:
The SL3/SL3-S are already LUMIX cameras that Leica is leaning on for tech and internals. Why all of a sudden now do you want to hear about this?
Which Lumix camera is the SL3 based on? I don't know of one with similar specifications and features.
1bwana1 wrote:
Which Lumix camera is the SL3 based on? I don't know of one with similar specifications and features.
60MP and triple resolution ... matches which Lumix? Content Credentials in which Lumix?
That's not a knock on Panny, just I think folks are pretty quick to cite "rebadging" without having really done their homework. Yes, the L Alliance is in play, but that doesn't mean everything is the same. Consider a Chevy, Buick and Cadillac ... different models and some have shared components (and some not), but that doesn't mean a Cadillac is just a Chevy with a Cadillac badge ... or, is it?
Curious, if the shutter mechanism in the Lumix is the same shutter mechanism as in the Leica. We don't hear much about shutter actuation ratings these days (used to be a well publicized spec between camera models, where a mfr rated their pro gear build diff from consumer / pro-sumer) ... but, not so much these days ... I digress.
