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which lens has the least 3D POP?

  
 
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p.1 #1 · which lens has the least 3D POP?


go for it...lets 'beat' the OTHER thread !!!


Apr 07, 2026 at 02:39 PM
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p.1 #2 · which lens has the least 3D POP?


When I leave my lens caps on, all of my lenses have horrendous 3D pop!


Apr 07, 2026 at 03:04 PM
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p.1 #3 · which lens has the least 3D POP?


This one has a lot of 1D pop. https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804953215780.html


Apr 07, 2026 at 04:45 PM
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p.1 #4 · which lens has the least 3D POP?


If "3D pop" is serious enough to fuel pages of debate about which lens has the most, then asking which one has the least shouldn't suddenly turn the thread into a comedy club.


Apr 08, 2026 at 03:00 PM
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p.1 #5 · which lens has the least 3D POP?


Does it come in e-mount?

mgscheu wrote:
This one has a lot of 1D pop. https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804953215780.html




Apr 08, 2026 at 04:32 PM
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p.1 #6 · which lens has the least 3D POP?


Fred Miranda wrote:
If "3D pop" is serious enough to fuel pages of debate about which lens has the most, then asking which one has the least shouldn't suddenly turn the thread into a comedy club.


I think a lot of us could use a good laugh.



Apr 08, 2026 at 04:37 PM
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p.1 #7 · which lens has the least 3D POP?


That said....I'll play along and nominate my two prime lenses as having the least amount of "pop."


Apr 08, 2026 at 04:59 PM
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p.1 #8 · which lens has the least 3D POP?


Since my cataract surgery, all my lenses seem to have better 3D pop! 😆

gregfountain wrote:
That said....I'll play along and nominate my two prime lenses as having the least amount of "pop."




Apr 08, 2026 at 05:09 PM
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p.1 #9 · which lens has the least 3D POP?


I'm not sure actually designating particular flat imaging lenses as flat will help interactions here. People get their backs up. But the issue is as important as the responses here are (and will be) frivolous. Ridicule is just easier and more fun than analysis and argumentation.

The interest in the other thread and across the entire imaging industrial landscape clearly shows that the subject is important, even as it is treated by many opinion leaders and influencers as non-existent, esoteric or even laughable.

Across the cine and stills fields however, no lens maker wants their optical creations to be regarded as lacking in 3D, do they? Millions of dollars are at stake. It's useful to remind people (gently and factually) how fringe and tenuous their belief in the official 3D narratives are, in light of the simmering controversy and the presence of very serious players and observers who are arrayed on the right side of history. Imagery and how we perceive it are fundamental to all cultures, and always has been.

The matter is most sharply in focus for the fast lenses the industry is pushing on photographers and camera users. Slow lenses are related but best dealt with separately.



Apr 08, 2026 at 05:27 PM
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p.1 #10 · which lens has the least 3D POP?


The really interesting and central piece of the puzzle is that we are really talking about two competing and very different 3D models of imagery, and the great extent to which all lens producers pay lip service to 3D:

1. the two-layered Zeiss 3D model with super sharp generally centrally located subject(s), followed by a rapid longitudinal fall-off of focus (DOF) into a super smooth and highly abstracted bokeh field with little or not identifiable image motifs in the background. The aim is to draw the viewer’s attention to ‘what matters’ (their words) being the sharp subject, while relegating the rest of the image field to unavoidable material that is best blurred out, because it does not matter.

2. True 3D is of course the exact opposite of this Zeiss 3D model – everything in the image matters and it should be portrayed as you see the scene in real life, as translated by the lens's character. Objects in image space should appear at the right distance relative to each other, the degree of focus fade should correlate with distance from the lens, focus fade should be gradual both longitudinally and from center to corners.

The level of abstraction should be commensurate with distance also. The bokeh field can then come alive with vitality and context – we see where the subject was in their environment, we can linger long, looking at the whole image. Faces look like we see them in everyday life, not like some lunar landscapes.

To fool people successfully, it’s very important to control the flow of information, to position yourself as the authority on the issue. That is exactly what the people selling you the Zeiss 3D model of image reality have done.

It is much easier in design to develop lenses that simply produce massive blur fields than it is to provide content-rich and well-structured focus fade and identifiable out-of-focus content. The CAD routines can do all that.

It’s been a long-term project of theirs, spanning the pre-internet age and the modern information-rich world. It makes good business sense too. The fast lenses that they promote most of all are the ones that perform best within their 3D model.

They are also very lucrative, due to their high unit prices and the fat profit margins they deliver. Remember, lenses sell in the millions. These are the reasons ever-faster mainstream lenses are appearing, f2 zooms and the like.



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p.1 #11 · which lens has the least 3D POP?


I would have suggested wide angle lenses, but maybe not. Here is Sigma 17mm/A7CR

A7Cr Sigma 17mm f-4.0-3 by gary, on Flickr



Apr 08, 2026 at 05:42 PM
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p.1 #12 · which lens has the least 3D POP?


philip_pj wrote:
To fool people successfully, it’s very important to control the flow of information, to position yourself as the authority on the issue.

A remarkable act of self-reflection.




Apr 09, 2026 at 12:45 AM
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p.1 #13 · which lens has the least 3D POP?


Nifty Fifty wrote:
A remarkable act of self-reflection.



Werner - a man who spent 22 years printing on Warmtone Baryt and somehow none of the warmth rubbed off.​​​​​​​​


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Apr 09, 2026 at 10:47 AM
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p.1 #14 · which lens has the least 3D POP?


philip_pj wrote:
The really interesting and central piece of the puzzle is that we are really talking about two competing and very different 3D models of imagery, and the great extent to which all lens producers pay lip service to 3D:

1. the two-layered Zeiss 3D model with super sharp generally centrally located subject(s), followed by a rapid longitudinal fall-off of focus (DOF) into a super smooth and highly abstracted bokeh field with little or not identifiable image motifs in the background. The aim is to draw the viewer’s attention to ‘what matters’ (their words) being the sharp subject, while relegating the rest
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Apr 09, 2026 at 10:58 AM
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p.1 #15 · which lens has the least 3D POP?


Nifty Fifty wrote:
A remarkable act of self-reflection.



Yes.

Also remember a couple of months ago where philip_pj told us about mind control.
https://fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1705005/1&year=2021#16941088

Together with the post—or quote—above, this is a good description of how philip_pj has treated everyone in the forum regarding his favorite lens.

It’s worth reminding people of that.

Despite being asked questions about his claims, philip_pj has not responded to a single comment related to his promotion of the lenses. Nor has he responded to posts stating that his comparisons are inaccurate or that some of his conclusions and claims lack supporting evidence.

This behavior aligns well with what is recommended in basic propaganda manuals.

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Apr 09, 2026 at 11:15 AM
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Jonas B wrote:
Yes.

Also remember a couple of months ago where philip_pj told us about mind control.
https://fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1705005/1&year=2021#16941088

Together with the post—or quote—above, this is a good description of how philip_pj has treated everyone in the forum regarding his favorite lens.

It’s worth reminding people of that.

Despite being asked questions about his claims, philip_pj has not responded to a single comment related to his promotion of the lenses. Nor has he responded to posts stating that his comparisons are inaccurate or that some of his conclusions and claims lack supporting evidence.

This behavior aligns well with what is recommended in basic propaganda manuals.

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Propaganda? For hva?



Apr 09, 2026 at 11:22 AM
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p.1 #17 · which lens has the least 3D POP?


3dpophunter wrote:
Propaganda? For hva?


"hva"?



Apr 09, 2026 at 11:31 AM
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Jonas B wrote:
"hva"?


I get that this Philip guy isn't popular

I'm just asking what is propaganding for?



Apr 09, 2026 at 11:38 AM
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p.1 #19 · which lens has the least 3D POP?


3dpophunter wrote:
I get that this Philip guy isn't popular

I'm just asking what is propaganding for?


OK, here is my take.

He has been a strong advocate for Chinese lenses in general and Typoch Simera lenses in particular.

Philip has been a user, or member, here for a long time—landscapes and street portraits, with a great deal of knowledge about photography. But over the past year, something has happened, and he has become a mouthpiece for China. Several of us have wondered if he’s being paid by Typoch. We’ve also been puzzled by his new attitude of just making claims and never discussing anything or even answering a simple question.

I’ve appreciated many of Philip’s posts over the years and also liked many of his photos. Over the past year, however, he’s been quite… let’s say tiresome. I think that’s why you’ve seen posts that have been negative.

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Apr 09, 2026 at 11:47 AM
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p.1 #20 · which lens has the least 3D POP?


I would hope it could be some kind of macro lens that is sharp corner to corner, has a flat field, low distortion, and extremely high MTF, and doesn't have any borkah or other nonsense.

EBH



Apr 09, 2026 at 11:54 AM
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