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p.1 #9 · Upgrading Photo Team Gear - Seeking Canon Mirrorless Recommendations | |
ajbarrett wrote:
While chatting with them, their two Senior Photogs mentioned that while they love their R3's, they often find themselves using their R6mk1 equally, and have stated that they feel those bodies do about 90% of the work that the R3's do.
In an ideal scenario, I'd propose a couple of R1's, a bunch of RF 70-200's, some 24-105's and a couple 100-300's, but unfortunately we live in the real world and it's hard to ask for $100,000 for new gear.
Outside of our mirrorless bodies, we have a couple of 1DX ii and some older 5Dmk4's
I like the cropping capabilities of the R5 and their use in studio work, but the large file sizes are mostly a hassle, and thus the reason I was interested in the R6's.
Has anyone used the R6 1,2,3's and could give some insight on those, and maybe a comparison to the 2 gen's of R5 and even maybe an R3 or R1?
The updates to the R6iii seem nice, but also mostly on the video side of things, outside of updated AF systems.
Any suggestions, advice, reviews and help would be greatly appreciated. ...Show more →
The sports I mostly shoot are ice hockey and football. In 2022 I transitioned from the 1DXII to the R6II and also added a used R6. I have since added an R5II and have about 10 football games experience with CPS loaner R1s.
In respect to continuous frame AF consistency, all of these R bodies are more reliable than the 1DXII. However, the user experience varies across them. For regular non-sports work a marketing team would do at a university, the R6 is indeed fine, small, easy to use and reliable. For sports, less so because of processing power paired with sensor readout speed. For example the R6 EVF experience is a bit laggy and when used in e-shutter 20 fps, it can feel like you’re struggling a bit to keep up with a fast moving subject because you’re not getting a truly realtime EVF feed. IME the R5 is similar lagginess, though it has a higher dynamic range EVF that doesn’t block up shadows in high contrast scenes as quickly as the R6’s. Both the R5 and R6 ‘suffer’ being Canon’s first ‘real’ first-gen mirrorless cameras usable for action work. The R3 is more responsive and definitely a better sports camera, but it’s about 4 years old and is unlikely to receive major fw updates to keep up with newer releases. The R6II has a slightly less laggy EVF experience than the R5/6, but I still feel like I’m constantly slightly behind when I use it.
IMO the R1 and the R5II are the cameras to get for sports. Both have much better and similar subject detection responsiveness and better subject sticktion. For example when in shoot hockey with the R5II, as soon as I put the AF point on the subject it’s already recognized and put the focus point on their head. With the R6II there is a slight, but noticeable delay that I find in turn impedes my responsiveness.
Between the R1 and R5II, the latter is a more universal camera and sometimes the additional resolution can be useful. It’s UI is slightly less nice due to smaller buttons not friendly when wearing gloves and the add on grip isn’t as comfortable as the R3 or R1.
The word that comes to mind to describe the R1 is fluid. It just seems to be consistently ready before I am and can handle challenging action really well. I have a ton of 40 fps football sequences where every frame is in focus and it’s like I was shooting short video clips.
Do keep in mind that these cameras can generate a TON of images very quickly and you have to be ready for the volume. The good news is that the focus consistency is so good you can usually just browse thumbs to pick key moments and they’ll virtually always be in focus.
I haven’t yet tried the R6III. But I’m under no illusions that it will better the AF performance of the R5II in part due to the sensor readout speed difference. It’ll be incrementally better than the R6II and you’ll be able to shoot sports with it, but it will introduce more friction to the experience.
Regarding stacked vs non: while the R6 series sensors are fast enough to shoot action like football, rolling shutter will introduce distortion to round ball and straight stick sports. The faster the action, the more noticeable it will be. Also, the slower readout speed can be more susceptible to banding under artificial lighting. Less so in pro sports venues. You can mitigate this by switching to EFCS, but will be restricted to 12 fps and will experience EVF blackout.
Bottom line, get at least some stacked sensor cameras to do the major work at events and fill in the gaps with other options as the budget allows. If you can’t justify even the R5II, then maybe some used R3s, if the price is right?
The 100-300 is a very nice lens that works well with the TCs, but I’ve been really impressed by the 70-200Z. Very sharp across the range wide open on the R5II and also plays well with at least the 1.4x. That combo, R5II, Z and 1.4x in APS-C crop 17MP is basically a poor man’s R1 and 100-300. 
Regarding the R5/R5II: when covering sports are you shooting jpeg or RAW? Jpeg allows a 24MP option and you can toggle to APS-C 17MP with a single button press by setting up the relevant custom function. If you shoot RAW, then it’s only full resolution or APS-C. I would highly recommend using CRAW (compressed RAW).
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