I think the A6800/A6900 might be coming next. I wonder if Sony will use the new battery. If they go A7000 with new battery and vertical grip---I'm in!!!
jojib wrote:
I think the A6800/A6900 might be coming next. I wonder if Sony will use the new battery. If they go A7000 with new battery and vertical grip---I'm in!!!
I have an A6400 and A6700, and A7Riv. If one handles the A6400 and even A6700 with 18-135 against the A7Riv and 28-200, the weight and carry size difference is really clear. I like the size of the A6400 but the 'same battery" and performance jumps of the A6700 have basically put the A6400 away.
I like "same battery" and can see a time, now, when many might be in that tolerate but not appreciate the new battery over the inconvenience of dealing with two battery types. The battery change didn't really hurt A6400 to A6700, for me, I had a Smallrig L bracket with a front grip piece so the larger A6700 grip was fine. I'm not sure how the continuing creep upward in sizes will work out - across the ff and aps-c lines.
I'm not sure they haven't waited/ignored/defied us out on the high performance aps-cs or if that will continue. Not to say the price differential to the ff line isn't still a burden, major burden, or full stop barrier. The A7Rs, A1s, too, can be a "large body aps-c" in crop. But there's that big price difference. I look at the higher end Fuji offerings in the price gap between the A6700 and the A7s. (Hey, I look at the Nikon Z8 price, too.)
For the "big bodies," side market or used A7Rvs are below $3000 now and may hit that $2500 point or lower, especially nice used ones, before long.
The A7CRii is maybe lurking out there, too. The A7CR didn't tempt me away from the A7Riv or A6700. I wonder where the A7CRii will be (full mech shutter anyone, make room for that big battery and full motion panel?) but expect priced close enough to the A7Rvi to keep the aps-c community frustrated.
All this news come out while I was on vacation so I wasn't really putting that much thought to it. A7R-line of camera is probably where I'd upgrade to from where I am in A7IV. A7V doesn't seem to be the kind of differences I was thinking about for an "upgrade" so unless A7VI is more of a bigger difference A7R still seems to be the likely direction to go. A1/A9 would be nice but I really can't make that $$$ leap.
The specs for RVI certainly seems like a good jump over where I am. While I am not fully in love with the idea of new batteries its certainly not a deal breaker since I feel like I had changed battery twice already(Minolta 5D->Sony A700==Sony A77II->A7IV). I always had the thought of maybe I'd have 2 bodies for certain events but it never materialized since the gap between my cameras are so big most of the time that I just can't see myself going back using the old body.
What it does mean though is the upgrade will be a comprehensive one going from new body to new batteries(I have 6 for A7IV, mainly for ability to have 3 sets of batteries when using battery grip when shooting car races), new battery grip. And with now higher MP count I probably need to add higher capacity cards too(I mainly use 64GB cards having had bad experience with losing photos with large card going bad). Certainly won't a cheap move and probably not happening sometimes soon. But I can see maybe in a few years...hopefully with more discount then...
Craig Gillette wrote:
I have an A6400 and A6700, and A7Riv. If one handles the A6400 and even A6700 with 18-135 against the A7Riv and 28-200, the weight and carry size difference is really clear. I like the size of the A6400 but the 'same battery" and performance jumps of the A6700 have basically put the A6400 away.
I like "same battery" and can see a time, now, when many might be in that tolerate but not appreciate the new battery over the inconvenience of dealing with two battery types. The battery change didn't really hurt A6400 to A6700, for me, I had a Smallrig L bracket with a front grip piece so the larger A6700 grip was fine. I'm not sure how the continuing creep upward in sizes will work out - across the ff and aps-c lines.
I'm not sure they haven't waited/ignored/defied us out on the high performance aps-cs or if that will continue. Not to say the price differential to the ff line isn't still a burden, major burden, or full stop barrier. The A7Rs, A1s, too, can be a "large body aps-c" in crop. But there's that big price difference. I look at the higher end Fuji offerings in the price gap between the A6700 and the A7s. (Hey, I look at the Nikon Z8 price, too.)
For the "big bodies," side market or used A7Rvs are below $3000 now and may hit that $2500 point or lower, especially nice used ones, before long.
The A7CRii is maybe lurking out there, too. The A7CR didn't tempt me away from the A7Riv or A6700. I wonder where the A7CRii will be (full mech shutter anyone, make room for that big battery and full motion panel?) but expect priced close enough to the A7Rvi to keep the aps-c community frustrated.
I’m tempted by the A7RV as well particularly I can use my apsc lenses with it. However I love using ES with my A7 V thus IMHO the A6800 will likely have a partially stacked sensor too. I’ll see how my A7V ES performs at a tennis shoot soon. I don’t foresee any distortions @ 1/1600 sec. or slower. It that’s indeed the case I’ll wait for the A6800.
For the USA, the Nikon Z7 launched September 2018 at $3400 USD - today’s inflation adjusted price would be $4,469.
a few others:
Nikon Z8 launched May 2023 at $4000 - today’s inflation adjusted price would be $4,371.60
Sony A7RIV launched July 2019 at $3500 - today’s inflation adjusted price would be $4,559
Sony A7RV launched October 2022 at $3900 - today’s inflation adjusted price would be $4,358
RoamingScott wrote:
The tears from A1 shooters about the A1 III being "huge" will be hilarious
Funny you mentioned this, Scott. Today, for the very first time in my life, I used a battery grip. I bought a new Sony VG-C5 grip in March for an air-to-air shoot that got cancelled. Today is the first time ever I mounted it on the A1II. I was shooting the F-35B and Blue Angels on the Naval Academy campus, from the ground. The new Sony bodies naked are still a bit small for me but with an L-bracket, they are PERFECT, even with big teles. We are all different. I know you lug your Z9 around for all kinds of shoots, my hat off to you I will keep the grip but I don't intend to use it unless changing battery is not allowed (like air-to-air shoot).
RoamingScott wrote:
I would HAPPILY sell my medium format system if I had a Z7 III for $4500. Shit, I’d save so much money that I could take a 2 week trip with it.
Evanhanded said: The A7V has a partially stacked sensor, but a faster readout speed for images. Yeah, it has less pixels. Fully stacked sensors have all been under 10ms readout. So....yes...it is Sony's fault that a lot of people were wondering whether the A7RVI would be close to the A1 in readout speed when they heard "fully stacked sensor". And I wasn't questioning the purpose of the camera; I was asking about the purpose of the stacked layer.
In a recent interview at Adorama with Mike Bubalo he said that the a1ii stacked sensor was oriented towards memory (therefore more speed) while the A7Rvi stacked circuit layer is oriented towards processing (therefore more dynamic range).
Mike also said that the weather sealing on those 2 cameras was the same.
LarryChen wrote:
In a recent interview at Adorama with Mike Bubalo he said that the a1ii stacked sensor was oriented towards memory (therefore more speed) while the A7Rvi stacked circuit layer is oriented towards processing (therefore more dynamic range).
Mike also said that the weather sealing on those 2 cameras was the same.
Mike of course is Sony’s product manager.
Can DRAM and dual gain processing fit on the same layer? I'm wondering if we'll see a1 III with dual gain for stills.
dpreview just published their RAW samples for the test scene and they're spectacular. The noise is visibly lower than the A7RV at all ISO settings. As expected, the new R is the new king of IQ in the FF format.
The difference between the A7RIV and the Nikon-bag-of-old-parts-Z9 is even more striking now.
It has the fps and the resolution to be more than enough for those that occasionally dabble light sports and on birding but want a more landscape focused camera, like me.
old-gregg wrote:
dpreview just published their RAW samples for the test scene and they're spectacular. The noise is visibly lower than the A7RV at all ISO settings. As expected, the new R is the new king of IQ in the FF format.
RoamingScott wrote:
I would HAPPILY sell my medium format system if I had a Z7 III for $4500. Shit, I’d save so much money that I could take a 2 week trip with it.
Yeah, there's a point FF IQ can hit where Fuji has a lot of trouble selling me the next generation GFX (at least if it's not a drastically bigger upgrade than the 100 II was). 45mp wasn't there (esp. when the stacked versions took a bit of a step back in dynamic range), but 67mp might be if the dynamic range is closer to the A7r5 than the Z8.
. I bought a new Sony VG-C5 grip in March for an air-to-air shoot that got cancelled. Today is the first time ever I mounted it on the A1II. I was shooting the F-35B and Blue Angels on the Naval Academy campus, from the ground. The new Sony bodies naked are still a bit small for me but with an L-bracket, they are PERFECT, even with big teles. We are all different. I know you lug your Z9 around for all kinds of shoots, my hat off to you 
I will keep the grip but I don't intend to use it unless changing battery is not allowed (like air-to-air shoot). 
