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p.2 #1 · My thoughts on Fuji XF 35 vs. 33


newyork wrote:
Well that just made my Fuji lust muscle tickle.


He is a... character...



Mar 13, 2026 at 09:27 PM
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p.2 #2 · My thoughts on Fuji XF 35 vs. 33


RoamingScott wrote:
The white balance is...odd...as well as the overall tones if they are unedited. Are these JPEGs with a fuji profile applied, or RAW files?

Either way, my point was you can glean certain characteristics about the transition zones and bokeh by looking at color, in a way that I'm unable to do here. It's tangential to my overall impressions which I shared.

And regarding character, I'd like to think we're all done caring about pleasing one contrarian who can't leave well enough alone. The 35 has character in spades and that's what makes it special.


The white balance was on Auto throughout but nothing seems unusual. Shots with sky are 5k-6k and those with less direct light 4100-4900. All RAW files, Capture One, minor adjustments to reduce Highlights, small increases to Contrast and Brightness. Regarding the use of the term character, I was trying to be more specific, using terms like vibrancy or specific colors that pop. Just hoping to avoid off-topic arguments. I generally agreement with your observations and think lens choice here is largely if you like the pop of the 35 or the neutral palette of the 33.

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Mar 13, 2026 at 11:52 PM
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p.2 #3 · My thoughts on Fuji XF 35 vs. 33


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I’ve had the 35 for several years but never tried the 33. I know the 33 is compared favorably with the Fuji 18/1.4, which I have. The 18/1.4 is a fantastic lens. That said, I see no reason to trade my 35/1.4 for the 33. The 35/1.4 is solid. Thanks for confirming that. Eric.


The 18/1.4 is my favorite Fuji prime. IMO, manages the delicate balance of warm color with excellent detail, its a gem of a lens.



Mar 13, 2026 at 11:59 PM
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p.2 #4 · My thoughts on Fuji XF 35 vs. 33


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The white balance was on Auto throughout but nothing seems unusual. Shots with sky are 5k-6k and those with less direct light 4100-4900. All RAW files, Capture One, minor adjustments to reduce Highlights, small increases to Contrast and Brightness. Regarding the use of the term character, I was trying to be more specific, using terms like vibrancy or specific colors that pop. Just hoping to avoid off-topic arguments. I generally agreement with your observations and think lens choice here is largely if you like the pop of the 35 or the neutral palette of the 33.


In C1, which film curve are you using as your default, or are you perhaps set to “auto?” I have to agree with Scott that your WB’s seem a bit off on my system. Skies are a bit too cyan, whites leaning yellow, but not in a warm, golden light way. Not anything offensive or way off, but definitely not what I get with my XH2 set to AWB and C1 set to “as shot” using C1’s “film standard” curve. Also, are you outputting srgb JPEGs to view here, or perhaps using some other profile?

Second thought is IIRC, you can tweak WB bias in the camera menu via the little color grid. Have you by chance done anything with that or is it zeroed out as well?

PS Edit: You said one other thing worth discussing, and that was you regularly pulled back highlights. I shoot raw and convert out to jpeg via C1 as indicated above. I mostly shoot in A mode with EC zeroed using the multi or matrix metering, and leave DR at base 100 to prevent funny business in the exposures there. With that, I import my raws into C1 without any settings except my standard import style, which locks in everything "as shot," my base sharpening setting and the C1 film standard color curve applied. With that said, when I edit for jpeg output, I rarely have to pull back highlights, in fact to the opposite I am more often bumping exposure 1 or 2 tenths and pulling the right levels slider down a bit obtain a 250-ish white. At the same time, I am often having to bump the low end levels slider up to get to a full 0 black. With that, I do often bump shadows a bit to taste, but again rarely touch highlights. Additionally I rarely have to add more contrast but will occasionally add a few points of saturation. If I add a vignette, I do tend to come back and add back a bit of brightness to balance out. A long way to ask if you dropper your brightest white after your edits, what value are you generally editing to? Again, all this could be stylistic choice and that's all good, but I am now curious since your cams raw workflow regime seems to run so counter to mine using the same program...



Mar 14, 2026 at 08:28 AM
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Hi Jack, thanks for your help here, much appreciated. I initially read your post and was convinced that I was close in setting yet getting different results. No funky profiles or DR settings. As I said before, I have fought C1 on highlights in bright light situations. Anyway, pulled up C1 and looked at the film curve, it was in Auto. I knew I had changed that before but apparently C1 was changing it back as I hadn't saved Film Standard as a default curve. So I saved that as a default along with making sure all Auto Adjustments are zero'd out. The only other thing that varies is I have the export set to Adobe RGB. That might be C1 default, I have no idea what these formats represent. Changed that to sRGB as well. The output is better here, my sky is correct color and highlight not wacky. Here's one of the shots with these settings. Oh, also outputting as JPEG with 2000 width for FM as usual.



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Mar 14, 2026 at 02:22 PM
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Much better.


Mar 14, 2026 at 02:26 PM
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Close and reopened C1 and it seems to be sticking with the settings now. I can't believe my issues with highlights appear to be such a simple fix. I might even pull them up occasionally or even increase exposure! One more question for you Jack, what does this mean, "pulling the right levels slider down a bit obtain a 250-ish white"?


Mar 14, 2026 at 02:30 PM
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SGinNorcal wrote:
Close and reopened C1 and it seems to be sticking with the settings now. I can't believe my issues with highlights appear to be such a simple fix. I might even pull them up occasionally or even increase exposure! One more question for you Jack, what does this mean, "pulling the right levels slider down a bit obtain a 250-ish white"?


There are 256 luminosity levels, 0-255. (Sometimes you may see them listed as 1-256.) He’s suggesting that you avoid getting maximum white levels of 255.

That is generally good advice, and there’s a lot to be said for that approach, especially if you are printing and doubly so if there are large white areas in a photo. An area of maximum brightness will, in most cases, simply leave the paper white, and those areas will show no detail at all. If such areas are along a margin you won’t see any edge to your photographs between the image area and the surrounding margin. Making them very slightly less than pure white helps define the edge of your image in such cases. (There are some situations in which you might choose to go ahead and let the edges go fully white — I’ll not explain here.)

(It is OK usually — in fact, it can be desireable — to let tiny specular highlights go all the way to 255.)

BTW, the same concept holds true for blacks. Differences between low levels in the 0-10 range are often not visible and they just register as black. Check this out on your own to see how it affects your images (and your prints), but many people will target a darkest black that is a bit less than completely black. (Again, as with whites, if very small areas — the inverse of specular highlights — go to 0 luminosity that isn’t likely to be an issue as long as other values are enough higher than shadows don’t get blocked.)

I did not comment before on the color balance of your posted photos, but I noticed it, too. They look better now.

I may have missed it, but did you say what color space you have selected for your shared jpg images?



Mar 14, 2026 at 02:45 PM
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p.2 #9 · My thoughts on Fuji XF 35 vs. 33


SGinNorcal wrote:
Hi Jack, thanks for your help here, much appreciated. I initially read your post and was convinced that I was close in setting yet getting different results. No funky profiles or DR settings. As I said before, I have fought C1 on highlights in bright light situations. Anyway, pulled up C1 and looked at the film curve, it was in Auto. I knew I had changed that before but apparently C1 was changing it back as I hadn't saved Film Standard as a default curve. So I saved that as a default along with making sure all Auto Adjustments are
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MUCH better. Much. 😎



Mar 14, 2026 at 03:03 PM
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The yellows are still kinda funky in a luminosity way, but I think that's just an effect of the image being underexposed (you know, by the -.66 you EC'd the original). I threw the JPEG into LR and raised the exposure by 0.8 and it looks as expected.

Now the question is...how many images do you have to re-process after this fix



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p.2 #11 · My thoughts on Fuji XF 35 vs. 33


SGinNorcal wrote:
Close and reopened C1 and it seems to be sticking with the settings now. I can't believe my issues with highlights appear to be such a simple fix. I might even pull them up occasionally or even increase exposure! One more question for you Jack, what does this mean, "pulling the right levels slider down a bit obtain a 250-ish white"?


My advice is to save an output recipe. In my case I have several, but the ones I use for FM posts are 8-bit srgb jpeg at 2048px max dimension for a normal, full-frame JPEG; and then a max of 4096px for anything cropped to 16:9 or wider. Next save a “style” and save it as “Fuji X base.” Here, click on film curve (set to film std), WB (set to as shot), exposure items, levels, curves and HDR all zeroed out; then sharpening, clarity and NR all at your preferred defaults. Now you can choose to pre-apply that style to every image on import, saving a bunch of editing time by now having those values pre-applied to every image as your starting point. Of course make sure “auto adjust” and “include existing adjustments” are both NOT checked for import! (Auto adjust is customizable to a limited degree in the second tier menu, but I still don’t like many of its choice limitations, so tend not to use it. You can apply it to individual images singly during editing jf you want a Q&D look at something, then it’s equally easy to undo in one step if you then decide to edit that image more directly.)

And to be clear for thread posterity to folks who may not understand proper color workflow: outputting an Adobe rgb to an Srgb viewing system will absolutely screw up the appearance of color, wb and gamma/brightness/contrast/saturation of the image!

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Mar 14, 2026 at 03:22 PM
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Stated more clearly: do not use Adobe RGB either in camera or in post unless you are 100% sure that you need to. sRGB should be your default for 99% of your work.


Mar 14, 2026 at 03:24 PM
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p.2 #13 · My thoughts on Fuji XF 35 vs. 33


RoamingScott wrote:
The yellows are still kinda funky in a luminosity way, but I think that's just an effect of the image being underexposed (you know, by the -.66 you EC'd the original). I threw the JPEG into LR and raised the exposure by 0.8 and it looks as expected.

Now the question is...how many images do you have to re-process after this fix


Not funny! So I've dug deeper realizing I wasn't having this issue on Gfx files, why on X-T? Its fairly obvious now, that each camera has its own selectable tone curve default and C1 is paying attention to which camera is creating the file. When I went to a Gfx file, I found it had its own settings where I thought I was setting things globally in C1. I had never changed the X-T5 files, been on Auto with me adjusting exposure and highlight to get detail back after shooting with negative EC. I feel dumb but happy to sort it out. Clearly I need to spend some time learning the power of C1. I did know that I should, just haven't found a good resource for it. I'm interested setting up some output recipes as Jack suggest, then I can go back to being lazy. The Luminosity bit is over my head at this point, I'll hit that later.



Mar 14, 2026 at 03:58 PM
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p.2 #14 · My thoughts on Fuji XF 35 vs. 33


Is there an issue using Lightroom with Fuji or did you always use C1?

SGinNorcal wrote:
Not funny! So I've dug deeper realizing I wasn't having this issue on Gfx files, why on X-T? Its fairly obvious now, that each camera has its own selectable tone curve default and C1 is paying attention to which camera is creating the file. When I went to a Gfx file, I found it had its own settings where I thought I was setting things globally in C1. I had never changed the X-T5 files, been on Auto with me adjusting exposure and highlight to get detail back after shooting with negative EC. I feel dumb but happy to sort
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Mar 14, 2026 at 04:07 PM
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p.2 #15 · My thoughts on Fuji XF 35 vs. 33


RoamingScott wrote:
Stated more clearly: do not use Adobe RGB either in camera or in post unless you are 100% sure that you need to. sRGB should be your default for 99% of your work.


Using sRBB as a default, will work for most people, but you can use a wider profile if your monitor can handle it. You just need to make sure that if you save to share the file digitally you covert to sRGB because many monitors cannot handle wider profiles. I have also found that when I print I often like the output a little better if I edit the image in a wider profile and print using that wider profile. Personally, I save tiff files in a wider profile, but always convert to sRGB when I make jpegs to post or share. When I print, I print using the tiff with the wider profile.



Mar 14, 2026 at 04:26 PM
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p.2 #16 · My thoughts on Fuji XF 35 vs. 33


There is more than one correct answer for what color space to use while editing.

For export to the web use sRGB. (Some browsers can deal with other color spaces, but this is not universal.)



Mar 14, 2026 at 04:56 PM
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p.2 #17 · My thoughts on Fuji XF 35 vs. 33


SGinNorcal wrote:
Not funny! So I've dug deeper realizing I wasn't having this issue on Gfx files, why on X-T? Its fairly obvious now, that each camera has its own selectable tone curve default and C1 is paying attention to which camera is creating the file. When I went to a Gfx file, I found it had its own settings where I thought I was setting things globally in C1. I had never changed the X-T5 files, been on Auto with me adjusting exposure and highlight to get detail back after shooting with negative EC. I feel dumb but happy to sort
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We are not far apart. I used to be a PhaseOne Pro and taught C1. A couple hours with me and you’ll be a lot more facile with it. You have my private contact.



Mar 14, 2026 at 08:00 PM
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p.2 #18 · My thoughts on Fuji XF 35 vs. 33


newyork wrote:
Is there an issue using Lightroom with Fuji or did you always use C1?


This issue is operator error in C1. I fixed it and edited the original post. It now reflects very lightly adjusted files with minor changes and hopefully reflect the lens characteristics. I don't believe my edits will change anyone's opinions of the lenses but will hopefully better reflect the actual color rendered. Thanks to all who commented to help me sort that out.



Mar 14, 2026 at 10:41 PM
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p.2 #19 · My thoughts on Fuji XF 35 vs. 33


I like the updated edits very much. You will probably discover going forward that you won’t need to use EC much except for an occasional weirdly lit situation.

Re the lenses. I have only owned the 35/1.4, liked it for its character but didn’t use it often and somebody wanted it more than me so I sold it. End of day, I think the 33 shows as enough better optically, even in these web JPEGs to be a clear winner. The old one’s quite good, but the new one is better and to my eyes doesn’t give up much in the character department. Size and weight and costs being in the equation, I think it becomes a more difficult decision. But for the best optical rendering, I have to choose the 33. My .02 only, thanks for sharing these.



Mar 15, 2026 at 02:27 AM
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p.2 #20 · My thoughts on Fuji XF 35 vs. 33


The magic in the 35mm f1.4 R is in the bokeh. In the right conditions it can produce a background like an impressionist painting.

XT5, 35mm f1.4 R by Geoff F, on Flickr

But for closeups it can be well behaved.

35mm f1.4 @1.4 by Geoff F, on Flickr




Mar 15, 2026 at 04:13 AM
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