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Noctilux 75 vs Voightlander 90 apo

  
 
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p.1 #1 · Noctilux 75 vs Voightlander 90 apo


I recently tried finding a nice modern semi telephoto lens for my m11
A few people recommended the 90 apo from voightlander, I got one and ran a few tests

in a nutshell, i like 75mm focal length better than 90. I believe they both perform very similar. I'm not posting the portraits I tested out. I found that the transition between highlight and shadow on a subjects face is much harsher with the voightlander. The noctilux 75 seems to see more into the shadows, its a much more pleasant transition with less "hot" spots. Also the noctilux is a warmer signature.

These tests are handheld so there's a chance for focus error on my part.

Lastly, for a few I used a 8mm close focus adapter for a few just because. Neither of these lenses were designed for macro type shots but I did it anyway.

the voightlander is much lighter, much more affordable. The Noctilux is going to be impossible to get over so I'm keeping it.

I already got rid of the 90 but if you have a request with the noctilux let me know.











90 apo ultron with clos focus adapter







noctilux 75 close focus adapter







voightlander 90 apo close focus







noctilux 75 close focus







noctilux at minimum focus f2







voightlander minimum focus f2







noctilux at f16




Mar 03, 2026 at 02:15 PM
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p.1 #2 · Noctilux 75 vs Voightlander 90 apo


Very nice and pretty instructive. Plenty do not, but I do agree regarding 75mm and 90mm. Before going further, the new light lens ranges being released for 'moving pictures' usage all feature 75mm and 100mm lenses, and this seems to me like a better gap, a separation between the ideal portrait focal length and the beginning of what we might call the 'stand off' mid-telephoto range.

It pays dividends at shot-time too, because a 75mm maintains a better sense of intimacy between photographer and subject. 75s also give you greater dimensionality to human faces - you simply see the curves of jawline and cheek bones better, and this effect works well with the tonal gradation offered by the lens.

If you like, a 75mm is a long 58mm, where 90mm is a short 100mm, and made even more so at portrait distances if the lens in question has significant breathing - something very few reviewers include in their presentations. 75s also give us greater scope for gradual transitions - very important when considering near-APO performance levels. Bokeh gets greater life for the same reason = less compression.

And if you photograph non-Caucasians with different head shapes and different skin tones, 90mm delivers more flatness of the face in a tone range that makes it very obvious what is happening to skin rendering.

APO portraiture is an ongoing debate, I've already had (more than) my fair say about the 90/2 APO-Ultron. Those who have doubts about the use of APOs here can point to the full spectrum trend to sky high MTF combined with rapid fall-off, and this is exacerbated by the force of sheer magnification at this focal length region.

It may come down to what you want to mostly use the lens for - APOs are very suitable for the subject matter most FM members post images of. Many don't want to have two lenses at this FL region, they may not use it much and the lenses tend to be heavy. But portraits throw it all into a harsh glare because the only thing in focus is the human face. And for reasons of fashion and optical science, it has to happen at wide apertures these days.

It's a new world in post-processing. Many believe they can deal with excess acutance by using negative Clarity or similar. I'm unconvinced for this reason: Clarity is a brute force instrument that appears to operate on all spatial frequencies.

We who love our portraits don't want that, we need good edges at 5-10 lpmm for authentic shaping, but we need it with sensible skin depiction - outside of the high impact magazine 'pro' look. It's best done inside the lens therefore.

And, ironically, a little CA is a tell that you might be using a fine portrait lens. Another tell that the photographer used a modern APO genre lens is image brightness levels. So you see many images up near the level of disappearance of easily seen skin tones, as well as a full frequency gamut loss of sharpness, if post work was not handled very carefully.

Skin with no palpable detail is the tell here, people may start to resemble ghosts. The industry mainstream is trying to move us to this form of super-sharp face depiction, in stills at least. Cine won't tolerate it, for serious character movies. They want 'natural', not a facial skin cancer inspection.

Now that China makes up over 30% of the market, help is on the way (!) Their aesthetic is for a lot of 75mm lenses over 90/100mm and their population has a wide range of skin tones and head shapes. They almost all make very solid portrait 75s. The Artisans, Sirui, Thypoch, Viltrox et al, they are all helping out those who are value-oriented and price-sensitive.



Mar 03, 2026 at 05:31 PM
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p.1 #3 · Noctilux 75 vs Voightlander 90 apo


philip_pj wrote:
Now that China makes up over 30% of the market, help is on the way (!) Their aesthetic is for a lot of 75mm lenses over 90/100mm and their population has a wide range of skin tones and head shapes. They almost all make very solid portrait 75s. The Artisans, Sirui, Thypoch, Viltrox et al, they are all helping out those who are value-oriented and price-sensitive.


Thanks for the comprehensive reply.

I've tested out about 30 m mount lenses over a few years. In this focal range; I really liked the 75 1.5 ultron multi coated version. I also appreciated its closer focus abilities. But my favorite portrait I ever took was with a leica 35mm summilux on a leica m11. I tried with many systems to recreate and beat that shot. but to me it still sticks out as my favorite. That's worth something to me. I got the idea that leica glass on a leica body is my favorite/satisfactory most combo.

And no Leica is not sponsoring this post. They don't even know I exist.

I photograph many models for their agencies, but also enjoy landscapes. Since leicas are mostly prime oriented, I found I never had the right lens on my body, constant swapping. I got a second m11 body. I've found 35 & 75 has been a very nice combo. In the past 35 felt kind of tight, now it feels like an actual wide angle...go figure.

I'm curious about some of the Chinese lens options you mentioned. I looked into one of the artisan 75 1.25's and was not very impressed with the performance. I'm wondering if you think there's a solid competitor with the noctilux 75's signature, or if you really do get what you pay for?














low res screen shot of 35 summilux portrait




Mar 03, 2026 at 06:35 PM
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p.1 #4 · Noctilux 75 vs Voightlander 90 apo


lovely. I'm no expert on any of it, but I look at a lot of images and read plenty too. The Chinese lenses cover a lot of ground, something for many different tastes. I think it's one of the hardest areas of photography, as you point out, to find the portrait lenses that align best with your tastes. I wish everyone luck in this endeavor, lol.

The Chinese have come a long way very quickly. Soon enough, they will likely produce lenses twice the cost they are now, as a sort of Phase Two in the market. What's interesting is that they are now over 30% of the world market, so they have their domestic demand to satisfy.

Most of the Chinese reviews are not subtitled, but their love of Leica and Zeiss tells me they are the right track. At 75mm, I use Thypoch's 75/1.4 and it's best to 'leave love enough alone', for me, for now. Here is one from it, with a crop. I think it shows they know how to handle skin tones. The test for me is: if I was very close to the person, does the lens render them as 'natural'.




Thypoch/DZO 75/1.4 wide open






crop of above




Mar 03, 2026 at 08:39 PM







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