p.7 #1 · New Cobalt Kodachrome 25 and 64 film profiles
Really appreciate you sharing, these. Glad Cobalt took care of you quickly. They look great.
Mark
Kevner wrote:
Mark and All,
I did receive the correct profile pack late yesterday and just ran a quick series of tests. All of the images are using the B-Balanced profile which Cobalt states has been grey balanced. Of the three profiles NB, B, and PR it is the most neutral. On the images I shared earlier, there was some correction to the dark blue channels. There are no color channel corrections in the images. The first image is the one shot and processed using a calibrite gray card and using C1's A7RM5 Prostandard profile.
Overall, I feel the K64 profiles are truest color wise, although I do like the added punch the K25 profile adds. I'm looking forward to testing these on a number of images in the next couple of weeks.
I also wanted to give kudos to Cobalt for quickly resolving the error in providing the wrong profiles. - Kk ...Show more →
p.7 #3 · New Cobalt Kodachrome 25 and 64 film profiles
Fred Miranda wrote:
Here are some samples using the Cobalt Kodachrome profile (1987 version) on images from the Voigtlander 40mm f/2 Septon Aspherical review:
Taken with my Sony A7CR at around 11-12am light:
It is a very appealing look, strong but pleasing. Reminds me a bit of Harry Gruyaert's photos of Morocoo, which were all made on Kodachrome, and which read as strong blocks and shapes of color. The subject or content seems secondary to the colors. I'm not sure that any of Fred's photos here, except maybe the first, would work in black & white. It is the strong colors that make them appealing to look at.
p.7 #4 · New Cobalt Kodachrome 25 and 64 film profiles
Fred Miranda wrote:
...the Cobalt Kodachrome profile (1987 version) ...
The reds are great and, seem to me, particularly Kodachrome-like.
Are you trying out any of the new Cobalt Image [i[Spectre camera profiles? Cobalt haven't yet issued any for cameras that I have: for Leica they only have one for the M10-R, but not for the M10. I still haven't figured out what the Spectre profiles do, although Cobalt Image website indicates that they're supposed ro make the White Balance more accurate, which could be of great interest.
p.7 #5 · New Cobalt Kodachrome 25 and 64 film profiles
Fred Miranda wrote:
Here are some samples using the Cobalt Kodachrome profile (1987 version) on images from the Voigtlander 40mm f/2 Septon Aspherical review:
Taken with my Sony A7CR at around 11-12am light:
Quite intense color!
I have a question related to a different thread in this forum. Can you tell us which color space you used when you exported these jpg files for web placement? sRGB or something else?
p.7 #6 · New Cobalt Kodachrome 25 and 64 film profiles
This one is 1987 Kodachrome 25 present, with the image captured with a 1966 build Leica Rigid, and a M11 EV1.
Spring brings flowers in Tucson, the Ocotillo with its glowing red flowers are early often March to be followed by others like the Saguaro. Moonrise of quarter Moon in Tucson afternoon over the Catalina mountains framed by a flowering Ocotillo. I am trying to find the right lens/preset for the glowing red flowers while blooming- still have a few days.
p.7 #8 · New Cobalt Kodachrome 25 and 64 film profiles
gdanmitchell wrote:
Quite intense color!
I have a question related to a different thread in this forum. Can you tell us which color space you used when you exported these jpg files for web placement? sRGB or something else?
p.7 #9 · New Cobalt Kodachrome 25 and 64 film profiles
I went around town last week to take some test images to learn a bit more about the Kodachrome emulations. These all use the 64 1987 Kodachrome B Emulation. Not the best light as it was fairly hazy and the sky whited out in most shots. The dome is always a challenge given the contrast range.
p.7 #10 · New Cobalt Kodachrome 25 and 64 film profiles
Another way of looking at these profiles is to compare the cost to film. As I've already posted I'm quite content with the results I get but having started to finally scan my film archive I'm staggered at how much I must have spent on film, developing & printing. The next pack I'm going to buy is Elite Portra, already owning Elite Kodachrome and Fuji Dgital. £69 in the U.K, a 5 pack of Portra 35mm is around £75 pus any developing & printing so probably the equivalent of 3 rolls at most for the Cobalt pack. For me it's just going to be another tool I can use to get me the results I want and make me happy. And isn't that the point of this in the end?
p.7 #11 · New Cobalt Kodachrome 25 and 64 film profiles
Apologies for reviving this thread, but I wasn't sure if I wanted to start a new thread just for these images. I wanted to explore how the new emulations would work with vintage glass and yesterday I took my Canon FD 55mm f1.2 SSC out in the backyard to make some test shots. These are all processed with either the K25 B or K64 B 1987 emulations. I like using the 55 wide open, hence the very narrow DOF. The out of focus shots are intentional. I was pleasantly surprised with the quality of rendering of 55 and the Kodachrome emulations.
If you travel much, you may recognize the bench. The base frame is found in airports around the world. This is the prototype for an outdoor bench that we worked with Alan Zoeftig on developing. - Kk
p.7 #12 · New Cobalt Kodachrome 25 and 64 film profiles
I received an email about a new version of the Kodachrome pack, now v1.1. It includes some tweaks and adds Spectre support as an additional starting point alongside the standard base version.
For those unfamiliar with Cobalt Spectre, here's a brief explanation, followed by a video from Giuseppe showing how to set white balance correctly in Lightroom and outlining the differences between the Cobalt Spectre and Adobe profiles.
p.7 #13 · New Cobalt Kodachrome 25 and 64 film profiles
Thanks Fred. This is a very interesting and informative video and makes its point well.
The Spectre demo is very convincing. Afterwards, I did wonder if users find it makes much difference in practice. Without a carefully calibrated workflow differences could easily be swamped by white balance and other adjustments. Most of us edit to taste, so what we need is a starting point that is not misleading. That might just be the right white balance.
p.7 #14 · New Cobalt Kodachrome 25 and 64 film profiles
I have been enjoying the new Kodachrome preset, under the right lens and light it reminds me of slides only better resolution and sharpness. These are with steel rim, that I think a great match with Kodachrome preset, Noct 0.95, and 50 apo summicron that its more "clinical" aspect is tempered by the Kodachrome preset.
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p.7 #15 · New Cobalt Kodachrome 25 and 64 film profiles
Not too impressed with the accuracy on this and there are some definite errors in the way the profile maps skin tone gradients.
It does not render dark skin tones anywhere near how Kodachrome actually did. Even Ai_Print's images show how special the rendering of skin tones were. Rich and deep without too much saturation. Attached is an image in daylight with the Kodachrome 64 Balanced. It adds a really strong yellow cast to the skin. To the right is after much editing, how I think it should look and actually how most other presets render it.
p.7 #16 · New Cobalt Kodachrome 25 and 64 film profiles
Now on to what I think are errors in the profile. Skin gradients have a terrible yellowish gray band between the mid-tones and the highlights. The first image is in open shade and you can see it all over the transition areas of the face. The second image is from very flat, even side light and you can see clearly in the forearm and armpit in the second image. Again this is the Kodachrome 64 Balanced but it shows up in the others also. It's not only innacurate to any version of kodachrome, I also don't see this type of weird behavior in any other profile.
p.7 #17 · New Cobalt Kodachrome 25 and 64 film profiles
eSchwab wrote:
Not too impressed with the accuracy on this and there are some definite errors in the way the profile maps skin tone gradients.
It does not render dark skin tones anywhere near how Kodachrome actually did. Even Ai_Print's images show how special the rendering of skin tones were. Rich and deep without too much saturation. Attached is an image in daylight with the Kodachrome 64 Balanced. It adds a really strong yellow cast to the skin. To the right is after much editing, how I think it should look and actually how most other presets render it.
What WB did you use when processing? I usually get more consistent results using a preset or a custom WB rather than relying on the "As Shot" tint interpretation.
For example, the image you posted on the right looks a bit green in the tint and slightly too warm in color temperature, with an amber cast. If you start with a preset like "Daylight" or match it more closely to the actual light source and intensity you shot under, then make only subtle adjustments from there, you will likely end up with more natural looking skin tones.
Personally, I don't like the Kodachrome look for skin. I would reach for a different profile (or film) if skin rendering is the priority.
p.7 #18 · New Cobalt Kodachrome 25 and 64 film profiles
Fred Miranda wrote:
What WB did you use when processing? I usually get more consistent results using a preset or a custom WB rather than relying on the "As Shot" tint interpretation.
For example, the image you posted on the right looks a bit green in the tint and slightly too warm in color temperature, with an amber cast. If you start with a preset like "Daylight" or match it more closely to the actual light source and intensity you shot under, then make only subtle adjustments from there, you will likely end up with more natural looking skin tones.
Personally, I don't like the Kodachrome look for skin. I would reach for a different profile (or film) if skin rendering is the priority....Show more →
Wasn’t that an issue of Kodachrome under certain lighting conditions. Back in the days I did only shoot Kodachrome 200, and I have still different slide film scans that show unnaturally strong orange Caucasian skin in the evening sun.
p.7 #19 · New Cobalt Kodachrome 25 and 64 film profiles
On that image it is 4800K, +11 magenta, which to me looks correct. I just tried using the White Balance eye dropper on sunny side of his white shirt, the shaded side of his shirt, white street paint, fresh new concrete, and a utility sticker. Every neutral colored reference I could find on the image and the skin tones always have that weird yellowish green cast.
p.7 #20 · New Cobalt Kodachrome 25 and 64 film profiles
Yes it could have very strong orange cast to caucasian skin but dark skin it either went too dark or it ended up being a nice rich chocolaty color.
But even if you disagree with the rendering on dark skin tones there's still an issue of how it introduces a band of abnormal color in a tan to highlight gradient.
BokehBeauty wrote:
Wasn’t that an issue of Kodachrome under certain lighting conditions. Back in the days I did only shoot Kodachrome 200, and I have still different slide film scans that show unnaturally strong orange Caucasian skin in the evening sun.
