p.1 #1 · One extra reason to consider the first gen Voigt 35 APO-L for Z
So, in boredom on a rainy day, I realized that I could very likely put my Voigtlander 40/2 Ultron hood and close focus diopter onto the 52mm threads of my Z 35/2 APO-L for enhanced close focus. Note that the Gen II version of the APO shifted to a 58mm filter thread so this wouldn't be possible.
This should also theoretically be possible with the upcoming 40/2 Septon.
The hood/diopter are kind of hard to come by these days since the latest generation of Ultron ditched them, but you can usually find a listing or two on ebay. They also came with the pancake Ultrons, so most boxed copies of that lens will include them.
I'll take this outside on a better day to see how it performs in bright light.
The hood screws right into the APO, and the diopter screws into the hood itself and as far as I can tell, the diopter doesn't touch the front element of the lens:
These examples were at f2 to maximize vignette and see how usable it is. I'm quite impressed by this outside the box use of the Ultron's diopter.
p.1 #2 · One extra reason to consider the first gen Voigt 35 APO-L for Z
The 35 APO's performance at MFD is why I still can't shake the idea of buying it for a third freakin' time. I never miss it for landscapes, but it's such a great lens near MFD that I feel like there's a hole in my tool box right now. With that specific use case in mind, I've been thinking a v2 is worth trying.
Is the Ultron lens particularly unique? Any reason to want to use it over any other decent 58mm filter for the v2?
p.1 #3 · One extra reason to consider the first gen Voigt 35 APO-L for Z
OffTrail wrote:
The 35 APO's performance at MFD is why I still can't shake the idea of buying it for a third freakin' time. I never miss it for landscapes, but it's such a great lens near MFD that I feel like there's a hole in my tool box right now. With that specific use case in mind, I've been thinking a v2 is worth trying.
Is the Ultron lens particularly unique? Any reason to want to use it over any other decent 58mm filter for the v2?
The Ultron is mostly unique in that you can share it between every Nikon that supports Ai-S lenses including film bodies.
It has a rendering that is right between an APO and Nokton with less loca and more controlled bokeh than the Nok. It also has a really cool red ring flare in certain situations.
I think the 35 APO Mark II MFD is like 3" closer than the OG, right? I personally would rather slap this diopter on and keep the lens smaller, but that's just my preference. I don't shoot near MFD all that often on the 35.
p.1 #4 · One extra reason to consider the first gen Voigt 35 APO-L for Z
RoamingScott wrote:
The Ultron is mostly unique in that you can share it between every Nikon that supports Ai-S lenses including film bodies.
It has a rendering that is right between an APO and Nokton with less loca and more controlled bokeh than the Nok. It also has a really cool red ring flare in certain situations.
I think the 35 APO Mark II MFD is like 3" closer than the OG, right? I personally would rather slap this diopter on and keep the lens smaller, but that's just my preference. I don't shoot near MFD all that often on the 35.
Sorry I meant the actual close-up filter for the Ultron, not the Ultron itself. I know the Ultron is quite a swell little lens on its own. Just wondering if it's particularly good among other close-up filters.
But yeah, the MFD difference between v1 and v2 is 3". Not a huge difference, but a perfectly serviceable excuse to try the v2 anyway
p.1 #5 · One extra reason to consider the first gen Voigt 35 APO-L for Z
I guess this is a +2 diopter?
Apparently a single element one, so there are a lot of high quality alternatives available.
But being able to use the one from the 40 Ultron is nice when you have both lenses. And a common filter thread has so many benefits in general. Would have been nice if Voigtländer had kept to 52mm and 62mm for the Z lenses.
p.1 #6 · One extra reason to consider the first gen Voigt 35 APO-L for Z
When discussing about close-up attachment filters, it would be useful to give the magnification ratios (M) so that the framed area can be understood.
In fact, given M, the framed area (mm², on FX) is 24x36/M².
With the Nikon 3T achromatic close-up lens (+1.5 diopter, 52 mm diam.) attached to 35/2 AL (v1) we get around 27-28 cm minimum focus distance and 1:4.8* magnification (M = 0,208): https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1695782/55#16656151
The Nikon 4T (+2.9 diopter) would give a larger magnification.
Canon 250D achromatic filter (+4 diopter, 58 mm diam.) can be attached to v2, and would provide an even larger magnification.
BTW, I too prefer the smaller and lighter v1.
*: the framed area @ 1:4.8 is [24/(1/4.8)] x [36/(1/4.8)] = 115 x 173 mm² = 12 x 18 cm² (approximately).
p.1 #7 · One extra reason to consider the first gen Voigt 35 APO-L for Z
Yeah, I don't thinkt he diopter is anything special in wider market, just nice to be able to share it among some of the more elite Voigtlander lenses of their respective generations
p.1 #8 · One extra reason to consider the first gen Voigt 35 APO-L for Z
Ripolini wrote:
When discussing about close-up attachment filters, it would be useful to give the magnification ratios (M) so that the framed area can be understood.
It would also be useful to refer to them as "close up lenses" or " close up diopters" instead of as "filters". They are not filters, they are lenses. From the built-in Mac Dictionary app definition of 'filter': "a screen, plate, or layer of a substance which absorbs light or other radiation or selectively absorbs some of its components".
p.1 #9 · One extra reason to consider the first gen Voigt 35 APO-L for Z
Keith B. wrote:
It would also be useful to refer to them as "close up lenses" or " close up diopters" instead of as "filters".
1) Filters (in photography) are not restricted to "a screen, plate, or layer of a substance which absorbs light or other radiation or selectively absorbs some of its components"; actually, cross screen filters do not absorb electromagnetic radiations only; they diffract and refract the visible light to create "sunstars"; generally speaking, filters in photography are optical glass or resin attachments placed in front of a lens to manipulate light, enhance image quality, or protect equipment ... "manipulate light" is more general than just "adsorb light", right?
In my previous post I've used both terms, being both of them commonly used in written English:
Ripolini wrote:
When discussing about close-up attachment filters, it would be useful to ...
...With the Nikon 3T achromatic close-up lens (+1.5 diopter, 52 mm diam.) attached to ...
p.1 #10 · One extra reason to consider the first gen Voigt 35 APO-L for Z
RoamingScott wrote:
So, in boredom on a rainy day, I realized that I could very likely put my Voigtlander 40/2 Ultron hood and close focus diopter onto the 52mm threads of my Z 35/2 APO-L for enhanced close focus. Note that the Gen II version of the APO shifted to a 58mm filter thread so this wouldn't be possible.
This should also theoretically be possible with the upcoming 40/2 Septon.
The hood/diopter are kind of hard to come by these days since the latest generation of Ultron ditched them, but you can usually find a listing or two on ebay. They also came with the pancake Ultrons, so most boxed copies of that lens will include them.
I'll take this outside on a better day to see how it performs in bright light.
The hood screws right into the APO, and the diopter screws into the hood itself and as far as I can tell, the diopter doesn't touch the front element of the lens:
