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One point is, different focussing methods vary in respect to their sensitivity to camera shake.

Rangefinder focussing (within the range of 28-75mm lenses) is rather insensitive to camera shake. If you focus on some edge, even if the camera moves a bit up, down or around, you will still see when the two parts overlap.

With an electronic viewfinder, as in the EV1, on the other hand, you get a jumpy or even blurry viewfinder image with camera shake. I always felt that the improvement of focusing ease, with a stabilised viewfinder, was one of the important advantages of IBIS.

Thus the issue of IBIS will be really important for the EV2 😉. Ricoh was able to put IBIS into the smaller GR III and IV, so I‘m not sure why Leica isn’t able to do it. It would probably require a major redesign of the EV1 and the two M lines will most likely move further apart concerning their inner components. But it should be feasable.



Feb 13, 2026 at 03:41 AM
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Knut. wrote:
One point is, different focussing methods vary in respect to their sensitivity to camera shake.

Rangefinder focussing (within the range of 28-75mm lenses) is rather insensitive to camera shake. If you focus on some edge, even if the camera moves a bit up, down or around, you will still see when the two parts overlap.

With an electronic viewfinder, as in the EV1, on the other hand, you get a jumpy or even blurry viewfinder image with camera shake. I always felt that the improvement of focusing ease, with a stabilised viewfinder, was one of the important advantages of IBIS.

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I fully agree that the inclusion of IBIS is essential to the EV1 camera. In my view when an EV-M gets IBIS, a Faster sensor, and a faster process, so that it provides a smooth EVF experience even when magnified, and more advanced focus aids (best only with fast sensor and processor) it will be a viable and competitive platform for M lenses. In that sense I view the EV-1 as a market test for the real product which will be the EV-2.



Feb 13, 2026 at 03:59 AM
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I have been thinking about this. As MP counts keep climbing, and they probably won't stop at 60MP, the need for IBIS starts to matter more. Not because subjects are suddenly more likely to blur from shaky hands, but because any blur becomes far more obvious. Blur is blur, the amount does not change, but on a 60-100MP sensor it's much easier to see than it ever was on film or even on early 10-18MP digital bodies.

That's likely why this was never really an issue in the past. Film shooters lived with it, and early digital shooters barely noticed
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My first digital camera was the 4MP Canon 1D. I distinctly recall an early session I did with it at night in NYC where I was often in the 1/8-1/15 shutter range, hand held with non-IS lenses. And the results were sharp. I was amazed at first, but yes, in hindsight, it became clear the images were sharp because the low resolution sensor was hiding the 'micro-blur' that was actually present but not 'seen' by it.

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Thus the issue of IBIS will be really important for the EV2 😉. Ricoh was able to put IBIS into the smaller GR III and IV, so I‘m not sure why Leica isn’t able to do it. It would probably require a major redesign of the EV1 and the two M lines will most likely move further apart concerning their inner components. But it should be feasable.


Ricoh was able to design a lens and sensor package to accommodate IBIS. Leica is 'hamstrung' by the legacy ~28mm flange distance of the M mount. Given that IBIS systems currently sit behind the sensor, that means there needs to be sufficient space behind the sensor to accommodate it. Given that the digital M form factor is strongly tied to that of the legacy film M cameras, there's really only the depth of film, pressure plate and body housing. That doesn't leave Leica with much to work with.

The body could be made thicker, and I would be OK with that. But it's been abundantly clear that many, many, many M users don't want a thicker body. Already the M240 series was 'too fat' and resulted in the marginally slimmer M10 and later bodies.

In my mind, I can envision how I would create a 2-axis IBIS system that would be mostly in front of the sensor, but it would consume space around or to the side of the sensor, which might cause other problems within an M body.

If I was to design my own 'dream' M camera, my priorities would be as follows:

- fast stacked sensor, if not global sensor, and elimination of mechanical shutter
- IBIS
- on-sensor phase detect-based focus confirmation in the OVF
- no return to removable baseplate design
- hybrid OVF/EVF
- compatibility with legacy external EVF simply for tilt capability



Feb 13, 2026 at 04:10 AM
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rscheffler wrote:
- fast stacked sensor, if not global sensor, and elimination of mechanical shutter
- IBIS
- on-sensor phase detect-based focus confirmation in the OVF
- no return to removable baseplate design
- hybrid OVF/EVF
- compatibility with legacy external EVF simply for tilt capability


I would not be in favor of eliminating the mechanical shutter. It is a good option to have when it provides advantages in some lighting situations. Unless you are going all the way to a Global Shutter. In all cases you will still end up with a shutter of some sort if only to shield the sensor during lens changes. Might as well keep it functional.

I view the removal of an optional the mechanical shutter as a feature deletion, not an improvement. Yes, that includes the Nikon Z8/Z9 cameras. Just look at the firmware updates that have been made to try and mitigate the cases where the lack of mechanical shutter provided advantages. Yes, niche cases but real when you face them. On my Sony A1 I shot almost entirely using electronic shutter. But there are lighting situations and studio strobe times where I prefered to use the mechanical shutter. For sure having the option doesn't hurt anything.

Why do you want it gone?

I would like a hybrid OVF/EVF if it can be done without any loss to the true optical experience of a RangeFinder. Not some simulated RF experience. Can this be done? Not sure. If not just give me a really good removable, tilting EVF.




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I would not be in favor of eliminating the mechanical shutter. It is a good option to have when it provides advantages in some lighting situations. Unless you are going all the way to a Global Shutter. In all cases you will still end up with a shutter of some sort if only to shield the sensor during lens changes. Might as well keep it functional.

I view the removal of an optional the mechanical shutter as a feature deletion, not an improvement. Yes, that includes the Nikon Z8/Z9 cameras. Just look at the firmware updates that have been made
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Eliminating the shutter frees up space within the body. Your objections are valid, but I would be up for purchasing an ‘M’ with only electronic shutter, but that is unlikely to happen, with the possible exception of the EV-X.



Feb 13, 2026 at 08:03 AM
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Eliminating the shutter frees up space within the body. Your objections are valid, but I would be up for purchasing an ‘M’ with only electronic shutter, but that is unlikely to happen, with the possible exception of the EV-X.


I'm not sure if it will actually free up much space if there is still a shutter used just to protect the sensor when changing lenses. I would not want a camera without that.




Feb 13, 2026 at 08:26 AM
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A Leica M without a mechanical shutter...maybe save that for the EV1 line. They already ripped the rangefinder out of that one, so they might as well keep all the other outrageous ideas there too.


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Sorry Fred, but I do not find the EV1 as an outrageous idea.


Feb 13, 2026 at 10:07 PM
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I would not be in favor of eliminating the mechanical shutter. It is a good option to have when it provides advantages in some lighting situations. Unless you are going all the way to a Global Shutter. In all cases you will still end up with a shutter of some sort if only to shield the sensor during lens changes. Might as well keep it functional.

I view the removal of an optional the mechanical shutter as a feature deletion, not an improvement. Yes, that includes the Nikon Z8/Z9 cameras. Just look at the firmware updates that have been made
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If the concern is banding caused by lighting cycling on/off at 50/60 Hz and/or at higher frequencies, there are anti-flicker mitigation features to address those situations that are very effective. Banding/flicker is a problem with mechanical shutters, too, when the shutter speed is higher than the frequency of the lighting.

I want the mechanical shutter gone in the M to get rid of the horrid off the sensor metering solution imposed by the M11.

In hindsight, leaving the mechanical shutter in there would be fine because with a good stacked sensor, I would rarely use it. As you mentioned, it would still serve some use to protect the sensor from dust bunnies. But in that respect, my existing M cameras with shutters are already sensor dust magnets, so doubt it would make much difference.



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Sorry Fred, but I do not find the EV1 as an outrageous idea.


Sorry, no offense meant at all. I just meant it was a pretty radical change for the M line...going from a traditional rangefinder to an EVF.



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If the concern is banding caused by lighting cycling on/off at 50/60 Hz and/or at higher frequencies, there are anti-flicker mitigation features to address those situations that are very effective. Banding/flicker is a problem with mechanical shutters, too, when the shutter speed is higher than the frequency of the lighting.

I want the mechanical shutter gone in the M to get rid of the horrid off the sensor metering solution imposed by the M11.

In hindsight, leaving the mechanical shutter in there would be fine because with a good stacked sensor, I would rarely use it. As you mentioned, it would
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The susceptibility to dust is a function of how close the sensor is to the flange opening. Just imagine how bad it could be without a closed shutter when changing lenses.

How would the removal of a shutter help your on sensor metering objection. On sensor meter depends on the shutter being open during metering. Lack of a shutter seems like a move in the wring direction if that is your objection.

I find on sensor metering to be far superior to the previous reflecting off the shutter surface method of my previous Ms. It is way more accurate, configuarable, and powerful. What is your objection to it.



Feb 13, 2026 at 11:36 PM
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The susceptibility to dust is a function of how close the sensor is to the flange opening. Just imagine how bad it could be without a closed shutter when changing lenses.

How would the removal of a shutter help your on sensor metering objection. On sensor meter depends on the shutter being open during metering. Lack of a shutter seems like a move in the wring direction if that is your objection.

I find on sensor metering to be far superior to the previous reflecting off the shutter surface method of my previous Ms. It is way more accurate, configuarable, and
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My objection with the M11's metering system is that it requires the mechanical shutter curtain to close first before it takes a picture. Close-open-close-open every time. If they'd at least offer an EFCS option then it would only be close-open. With a fast enough stacked sensor I'd just use it in e-shutter virtually all the time and then wouldn't care if standard mechanical shutter mode would still be close-open-close-open.



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My objection with the M11's metering system is that it requires the mechanical shutter curtain to close first before it takes a picture. Close-open-close-open every time. If they'd at least offer an EFCS option then it would only be close-open. With a fast enough stacked sensor I'd just use it in e-shutter virtually all the time and then wouldn't care if standard mechanical shutter mode would still be close-open-close-open.


Now I am starting to understand. The results of the metering is acceptable it is the extra shutter action that you find objectionable. So, the conclusion I draw from this is that a faster sensor, that can shoot silently using electronic shutter only full time is you true goal?

The current electronic shutter works fine for slow moving scenes. The mechanical shutter is good for 4.5 fps. So I am guessing you want to shoot fast moving subjects and with a higher frame rate? For me this is not how I use my M camera. I use a Sony A1 for that kind of thing. I don't think I have ever shot my M at it's highest frame rates, or even in electronic shutter. Probably why the shutter has never been an issue for me.



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Sorry, no offense meant at all. I just meant it was a pretty radical change for the M line...going from a traditional rangefinder to an EVF.


Leica needs some radical changes in their lineup.



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Now I am starting to understand. The results of the metering is acceptable it is the extra shutter action that you find objectionable. So, the conclusion I draw from this is that a faster sensor, that can shoot silently using electronic shutter only full time is you true goal?

The current electronic shutter works fine for slow moving scenes. The mechanical shutter is good for 4.5 fps. So I am guessing you want to shoot fast moving subjects and with a higher frame rate? For me this is not how I use my M camera. I use a Sony A1 for
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I just want fast electronic shutter readout so I don't have to think about what situations it otherwise won't work (well) in. To me, M is about being inconspicuous and while its mechanical shutter is not loud, I'd really prefer there to be no sound at all. I use my M for a variety of subject types. It's mostly hand held work and can involve movement fast enough for the M11's sensor readout speed to be problematic. Even if it wasn't a1/Z8/Z9 equivalent readout speed but more like Z6III/a7V/R6III (1/60-1/70), that would be a lot more usable across my typical use cases.

Do I absolutely have to have this? No. It's a wishlist, after all. My current M has served me well since 2014 and I can get the shots I want or need with it (within the constraints of the M system). But IMO it could be better and I'd really prefer certain core features to be competitive with my mirrorless cameras, yet with the traditional OVF/rangefinder way of composing.



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stgrove wrote:
Leica needs some radical changes in their lineup.

Why? They are doing well.



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stgrove wrote:
Leica needs some radical changes in their lineup.


I think the most radical thing Leica will do in the near future will involve entry into a new product line soon.



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I think the most radical thing Leica will do in the near future will involve entry into a new product line soon.


Wow, so it is true. They will introduce a six figure view camera...



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Wow, so it is true. They will introduce a six figure view camera...


Hey, this Leica-not 6 figure but 7 figure since all who enter their realm can afford whatever they charge.



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