I'm wrong that the ZR was designed to be a video camera first?
Ok, bud I'm glad that you enjoy it for stills, but the Z 24-120 is a lens that feels good on every other Z camera simply because it's so well balanced internally, so probably not the best example and certainly not a lens that serious videographers are reaching for first.
Regarding the hot shoe and a possible removable EVF...Nikon's first order of business is to make money, and this would become such a stupid-niche product, especially at 24mp, that it would be laughed out of the boardroom. Would be fun as hell to play with, though.
It really comes down to how many different cameras does Nikon need to have in their lineup.
Z30
Z50II
ZFc
Z5II
ZF
Z6III
Z8
Z9
ZR
Where would they put this stills-oriented camera? Is it replacing something else, or just further crowding the supply chain? If it's a new body design, that's a lot of different parts and production cycles to add into an already busy spread. Which sensor do they use? If targeting landscape users it's either sharing Z8/9 sensor, or something new entirely. That's not a cheap camera, and honestly probably the best place for them to nest into the lineup.
If it's the older 24mp non-stacked, it would have to be below the Z5, and that could be a bargain of a camera, undercutting the S9 but the "stills" crowd still won't like it lol.
No EVF would be a bit of a tough sell I think, but the ZR does seem like it has superior ergonomics to the ZF which I found to be a bit hard to hold without additional grips.
i'd like a ZR-style body with the Z9 sensor for higher MP and higher flash sync speed..i use the Cambo and Nikon/WeMacro bellows setup a lot and ZR form factor fits well in that use case ..using tethering or external monitor is cumbersome for me.
A ZR body with a fixed lens as a Coolpix A replacement is no go for me... it's going to be too big considering Leica Q series manages to make one more compact with an EVF
RoamingScott wrote:
I said it somewhere else, but at least for Nikon, the size of the Z mount itself is holding them back.
Panasonic, Sigma, and Nikon have all released "content creator" cameras.
The L-alliance loves their FF shutterless hybrid cameras with no EVF. Are those flying off the shelf or something? Seems like Sony locked that market down years ago with APSC and 1" cameras. Nikon was smart enough to undercut them in the cinema camera cross over market.
There is an obvious demand for EVF rangefinder styled camera. The X-E5 is selling like hot cakes. Fuji will have gone 5 years without an X-Pro in production. JFC guys, build it and they will come!
ottokbre wrote:
Panasonic, Sigma, and Nikon have all released "content creator" cameras.
The L-alliance loves their FF shutterless hybrid cameras with no EVF. Are those flying off the shelf or something? Seems like Sony locked that market down years ago with APSC and 1" cameras. Nikon was smart enough to undercut them in the cinema camera cross over market.
There is an obvious demand for EVF rangefinder styled camera. The X-E5 is selling like hot cakes. Fuji will have gone 5 years without an X-Pro in production. JFC guys, build it and they will come!
The fact that so many people are buying awful old point and shoots also shows that there's plenty of room at the table for a new generation of them. Small is the new hotness!
RoamingScott wrote:
It has no grip. Why is that? Because it's not made to be used primarly as a handheld stills camera, it's meant to be used as a video camera on a gimble, or with a cage like this:
Based on this logic, the entire Leica line is a collection of video cameras.
JJkawa1 wrote:
No EVF would be a bit of a tough sell I think, but the ZR does seem like it has superior ergonomics to the ZF which I found to be a bit hard to hold without additional grips.
Night and day, the ZR grip is a very clever design, if it's judged by online images alone I get it but once in the hand you can feel a huge difference.
It would have to be quite small to be compelling to me as an EVF-less option. If it has the ZR body size and screen, and very few physical controls, it's gonna be a flop. A very bright, high-res 3" screen though...
The people asking for a compact camera are talking X-E5 (large end) to Ricoh (small end) level size.
A fixed lens and no IBIS would pretty much kill any interest I have in such a camera. Judging by Sony, Fuji, and Leica, there is a market for such cameras, though.
DWOfPaul wrote:
A fixed lens and no IBIS would pretty much kill any interest I have in such a camera. Judging by Sony, Fuji, and Leica, there is a market for such cameras, though.
A wide lens doesn't need IBIS to still be super useful (X100V is a prime example).
The IBIS in the VI just made the damn thing hot all the time.
I am super interested in this...if they can keep it around x100 size that would be a day one buy for me and I really prefer my Zf images over my old x100vi I sold. I don't mind no IBIS, especially if it helps keep the size smaller. The low light performance of my Zf is insane so I have no problem shooting 12800+ ISO to keep my shutter speed up.
I'm glad that you enjoy it for stills, but the Z 24-120 is a lens that feels good on every other Z camera simply because it's so well balanced internally, so probably not the best example and certainly not a lens that serious videographers are reaching for first. 
