But you don't get. Sony has to be the best regardless Like if Sony gave a toss about the APS-C market they would've just housed either the XH2 or XH2S sensors into one of their APS-C bodies, but they didn't. Wezre wrote:
Sony fans love to point out that "Sony" makes sensors for Nikon (and others). But they hate to admit that: 1) Sony Semiconductor is the division doing the work, 2) Nikon has designed many of their owns sensors over the years even if Sony Semi manufactures them, 3) Sony uses OSPDAF tech that Nikon and Aptina designed and patented many years back and that was used in the Nikon 1 before it ever made it into Sony cameras, and 4) as you mentioned, Sony's camera division doesn't have free reign to use any Sony Semi sensor they want. The camera companies all use each others' (and other non-camera companies') IP under various licenses. There's a lot of non-Sony tech packed into the sensors used in Sony cameras....Show more →
RoamingScott wrote:
Everything else will be cake. I'd personally love to have the ability to disable the vertical shutter button in software, the amount of times my palm has enabled it is ridiculous.
I don't need lower ISO, 64 is still incredible. I don't need better video specs, though shooting RED would be really nifty. I don't need less DR. Just do it right and don't get cute and it'll be a hit.
I'm sure you are aware there is a vertical shutter lock switch that prevents it from firing, I use mine to prevent accidental shots of my feet, lol.
I'd like ISO32 and higher flash sync for commercial work but not at the cost of DR, that would be nice for more stops.
Add pixel shift too for a truly diverse set of shooting scenarios.
RoamingScott wrote:
I couldn't care less about your opinion on the matter. I've had two Z9 bodies with the exact same behavior, it is what it is.
I've asked Nikon to simply add a menu option to fully disable the grip controls, but nothing yet.
And frankly your reaction is just as irrelevant. The point is that I wouldn't want non owners to think that this is a wide spread issue because it clearly isn't.
bernardl wrote:
And frankly your reaction is just as irrelevant. The point is that I wouldn't want non owners to think that this is a wide spread issue because it clearly isn't.
Cheers,
Bernard
I've heard the same from several owners and seen one complaining while standing next to me in the field. I think it is just the way they designed the Z9 and affects some users more than others depending on their personal handling.
It's not clear whether you work for Nikon or what, but as someone who has used Nikon cameras and Nikkor lenses since 1976, I don't understand your overly positive bias towards them. I've had plenty of problems with Nikon gear, most recently in 2023 and 2024, so it's not ancient history.
EB-1 wrote:
I've heard the same from several owners and seen one complaining while standing next to me in the field. I think it is just the way they designed the Z9 and affects some users more than others depending on their personal handling.
It's not clear whether you work for Nikon or what, but as someone who has used Nikon cameras and Nikkor lenses since 1976, I don't understand your overly positive bias towards them. I've had plenty of problems with Nikon gear, most recently in 2023 and 2024, so it's not ancient history.
EBH
I know many Z9 users and none of them have experienced defects with the release lock of their camera (including insufficient holding power of the knob). I haven't either.
Not sure how you extrapolate that into overly positive bias. I did clearly mention in my answer that there is an issue with this lock, but not the one mentioned by Scott.
Not sure by what you mean by "it is just the way they designed the Z9". I am sure you are not saying they designed a lock supposed to fail, but I am not sure what else you mean?
unchecked wrote:
It's a thing. Very recently happened to me last week too. It's not super loose, but it's not super tight either. It moves. It's a mild annoyance.
The Z8 vertical grip (MB-N12) shutter release lock also can accidentally change position, it happened to me last week. However, there is a tradeoff between being too tight to use comfortably when needed and being too loose so that it may occasionally move inadvertently when the body is handled carelessly, and I wouldn't say it's too loose as it is.
bernardl wrote:
I know many Z9 users and none of them have experienced defects with the release lock of their camera (including insufficient holding power of the knob). I haven't either.
Not sure how you extrapolate that into overly positive bias. I did clearly mention in my answer that there is an issue with this lock, but not the one mentioned by Scott.
Not sure by what you mean by "it is just the way they designed the Z9". I am sure you are not saying they designed a lock supposed to fail, but I am not sure what else you mean?
Cheers,
Bernard
I'm not a Z9 owner but a quick search indicates the vertical shutter release lock is looser than many would like, but whether it's an issue probably has more to do with how you handle the camera, how large your hands are, etc.
EB-1 wrote:
I've heard the same from several owners and seen one complaining while standing next to me in the field. I think it is just the way they designed the Z9 and affects some users more than others depending on their personal handling.
It's not clear whether you work for Nikon or what, but as someone who has used Nikon cameras and Nikkor lenses since 1976, I don't understand your overly positive bias towards them. I've had plenty of problems with Nikon gear, most recently in 2023 and 2024, so it's not ancient history.
EBH
Welcome to the Nikon forums. You'll quickly learn that in Bernard's world, Nikon can do no wrong and all of their products are perfectly designed.
This is me being polite. I refuse to be gaslit by some odd Nikonian sycophant when I have both firsthand experience across multiple units and secondhand experience from many other users who have seen the exact same thing.
If you don’t think a control surface that your palm fully rests on can sometimes move erroneously, you cannot be helped.
ilkka_nissila wrote:
Please try to be polite in forum discussions, to keep the forum friendly in tone. There is no need for that kind of comments.
Wezre wrote:
I'm not a Z9 owner but a quick search indicates the vertical shutter release lock is looser than many would like, but whether it's an issue probably has more to do with how you handle the camera, you large your hands are, etc.
Welcome to the Nikon forums. You'll quickly learn that in Bernard's world, Nikon can do no wrong and all of their products are perfectly designed.
Right… just after me having explicitly criticized the ergonomic issues resulting from the similarity of design btwn the on/off switch and vertical grip lock switch…
Such an impressive demonstration.
I have not experienced that lock going loose not do I know anybody having faced that issue. Do you expect me to lie about this on the grounds that Scott and a few others have?
RoamingScott wrote:
This is me being polite. I refuse to be gaslit by some odd Nikonian sycophant when I have both firsthand experience across multiple units and secondhand experience from many other users who have seen the exact same thing.
If you don’t think a control surface that your palm fully rests on can sometimes move erroneously, you cannot be helped.
Duct tape is what all my friends who own Z9's are using.
Phil Seu wrote:
Can you explain what you mean by this?
Yes. I often turn my camera off to save battery. When in vertical orientation this same action of attempting to turn off the camera causes the lock of the vertical grip.
And if don't realize this right away you end up not being able to trigger the shutter.
bernardl wrote:
I have not experienced that lock going loose not do I know anybody having faced that issue. Do you expect me to lie about this on the grounds that Scott and a few others have?
I don't think the lock is likely to "go loose" unless there is really a fault, but the rotating lock control can be nudged into an intermediate position easily where it behaves as locked when not intended. Those who don't regularly use the vertical controls can run into a situation where the lock has been nudged part of the way into the locked position (e.g. when taking the camera out of the bag or putting it back in) and be surprised when the controls don't work (when they do need them). I'm not suggesting it should be made tighter or looser, and in fact I think it's a logical way to implement the lock, but it has happened to me on several Nikon cameras causing some momentary confusion, and I've seen others swear about it as well, so it can't be all that infrequent. However, I have personally never turned the camera off from the vertical lock; my fingers do recognize the difference in feel between the vertical control lock and on/off switch.
Like if Sony gave a toss about the APS-C market they would've just housed either the XH2 or XH2S sensors into one of their APS-C bodies, but they didn't.