garyvot wrote:
Same. And they don't even allow you to install it to run under emulation, unlike Lightoom Classic.
I'm not sure if you are familiar with the hack to install x64 versions of unsupported Adobe apps by copying their install folders from another Intel based PC. In any case, you can actually do this with Bridge and get it to run, but it cannot make use of ACR (it can't even render thumbnails for RAW images), which makes this mostly useless for a RAW shooter.
A native version would be preferable of course, so I do hope they address this eventually.
No, I wasn't aware of this hack. But, since I'm a RAW shooter and used Bridge's easy dive down into ACR for culling and proof-of-concept evaluation, it sounds like the hack wouldn't support my usage.
Let me just say I bought the Lenovo the minute it was released. There were only two updates to Windows 11 Arm64 by the time I dumped it. I am sure there have been software updates since then that may have fixed some of the compatibility issues. For me LrC was running slowly under emulation and there was no Arm64 native version.
Ive certmainly used DPP on 11, no idea if its ARM64, though. Doubt it's a snapdragon processor, how do you check to see if it's ARM64?
johnctharp wrote:
DPP is pretty much the Develop tab of Lightroom or the Adobe Camera Raw feature of Photoshop, but with much less (almost no) masking capability. Like Lightroom etc., it operates on a single 'layer'.
Photoshop (and Elements) and Affinity do layer-based editing additionally with complicated selection masking and so on, along with the basic raw editing workflow.
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There's also Darktable, which is a free raw editor and catalog manager.
The main difference between all of these as well as say the classic Gimp is the workflow. They're all different and depending on what you're used to can come across as positively arcane.
I dont think Darktable, RawTherapee, or the version of DcO i tried (I believe thry do make a more full featured version though) had layers, either. All had pluses and minuses, but they are more RAW processors imo, since you need something else to do layers, sharpen & resize, etc.
DPP is better at high iso, probably because the open source are 1/2-2/3 stop or so slower for some reason (unless things have changed, recently.) I mostly just use gimp, for layers etc, need to see if its improved substantially, it's now 16bit apparently
Let me just say I bought the Lenovo the minute it was released. There were only two updates to Windows 11 Arm64 by the time I dumped it. I am sure there have been software updates since then that may have fixed some of the compatibility issues. For me LrC was running slowly under emulation and there was no Arm64 native version.
AmbientMike wrote:
Ive certmainly used DPP on 11, no idea if its ARM64, though. Doubt it's a snapdragon processor, how do you check to see if it's ARM64?
So, if it's a modern Android phone/tablet or 'Windows on ARM' laptop, it's ARM64. Apple is technically ARM64 (phones, tablets, M-series computers), but they use their own custom design that requires a lot of changes.
johnctharp wrote:
So, if it's a modern Android phone/tablet or 'Windows on ARM' laptop, it's ARM64. Apple is technically ARM64 (phones, tablets, M-series computers), but they use their own custom design that requires a lot of changes.
How do you tell if its a Windows on ARM laptop? Do you go into System or something?
Worked the Win 11 I used anyway. Maybe 2-3 years old?
AmbientMike wrote:
How do you tell if its a Windows on ARM laptop? Do you go into System or something?
Worked the Win 11 I used anyway. Maybe 2-3 years old?
Well, the only processor used by ARM Windows laptops comes from Qualcomm - the people that make most of the phone and tablet processors for devices not sold by Apple. So typically they're pretty obviously branded, and they're pretty new to market.
But going to the Performance Tab in Task Manager should spell everything out about the processor.
Edit:
Yes, look in System under Settings to get (my desktop as an example, 'x64' implies x86-64, i.e., an Intel-compatible CPU):
Device name <redacted>
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D 8-Core Processor (4.70 GHz)
Installed RAM 64.0 GB (61.6 GB usable)
Device ID <redacted>
Product ID <redacted>
System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor
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johnctharp wrote:
Well, the only processor used by ARM Windows laptops comes from Qualcomm - the people that make most of the phone and tablet processors for devices not sold by Apple. So typically they're pretty obviously branded, and they're pretty new to market.
But going to the Performance Tab in Task Manager should spell everything out about the processor.
Edit:
Yes, look in System under Settings to get (my desktop as an example, 'x64' implies x86-64, i.e., an Intel-compatible CPU):
Device name <redacted>
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D 8-Core Processor (4.70 GHz)
Installed RAM 64.0 GB (61.6 GB usable)
Device ID <redacted>
Product ID <redacted>
System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor
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Wouldn't x64 just mean 64 bit, though?
If you go to the camera page on the Canon site for the camera you're pp, click on Support & Downloads, it senses your OS and offers compatible downloads. Should cut down on incompatibility, hopefully.
AmbientMike wrote:
Wouldn't x64 just mean 64 bit, though?
If only! Unfortunately, the convention for differentiating between x86 (32-bit) and x86-64 is to call one x86 and one x64. I don't know which product managing madlad to thank for that, but it is now written.
AmbientMike wrote:
If you go to the camera page on the Canon site for the camera you're pp, click on Support & Downloads, it senses your OS and offers compatible downloads. Should cut down on incompatibility, hopefully.
Sure, but there's nothing stopping someone from downloading the version for the wrong operating system / architecture otherwise. It'll be a mess for some time.
I'll just say this. Having used just about every piece of RAW processing software that's out there over the last 25 years, without a doubt if you are NOT using DXO Photolab 9 you are missing out. Far and away the finest noise reducing process where you can shoot right up to ISO 12800 and get perfect detail and color rendering without artifacts easy as pie. Adobe has NOTHING that will do what DXO does. There are a few others that are pretty good, but DXO being at the top. I highly recommend you download a trial and see for yourself. It's unbeatable. And very easy to get there.
