p.3 #3 · The End of Printing - Digital Picture Frame (near) Perfection
Here we go again. Another thread that deteriorated to the point where the only useful information is confirmation of my list of people who I'd never want to spend a day shooting with.
p.3 #4 · The End of Printing - Digital Picture Frame (near) Perfection
Back on topic, I have a Samsung Frame (the previous 4k model). The Samsung software is a bit crappy and the app you have to use to upload images even more. The TV though does let you select from a number of "mounts" around your photo (the colour) and it also lets you set the brightness and warmth of the screen when in Frame mode.
It does a reasonable attempt to basically blend in, I have a white bezel on mine and at night with low light the image floats as the bezel blends with the wall. What is most annoying is that it won't let you have a photo bleed to the edges.
There were some comments on how bad the OPs setup looks, the blue screen vs the room lights. I tried taking a photo of mine and the digital photo makes the difference far worse than what my eyes see, at least with my Framt TV. I get that same blue TV Vs warm light when I'm reality my eyes only pick up the unnatural brightness. The colour balance is pretty matched by our eyes.
p.3 #5 · The End of Printing - Digital Picture Frame (near) Perfection
I just thought of a good addition to the discussion that I would love to see, esp. from those espousing prints over digital: your own prints on the wall showing/telling how they were printed, framed, glassed, and lit. I just walked around the house snapping a few phone shots of a small number of the prints I have up.
This first is a canvas of Artists Palette in Death Valley, 20x30" printed on Exhibition Canvas on an Epson 7900. It is hanging just inside our front door along with a number of oil paintings by an artist friend. The light here is from windows at the side of the door. No frame cost and no glare from glass being advantages of canvas.
These three are 35 year old Cibachromes I printed and matted myself BITD. Frames are simple black metal, with standard glass. The color and contrast is holding up amazingly well, but they are not in direct sun as you can see. Directional ceiling light that doesn't do them all equal justice.
Large canvas over our guest bed, same process as first picture. Window light here.
Our bedroom. Pano over bed was printed on Epson Premium Luster, museum glass. Large print on wall is Epson Exhibition Fibre, custom frame and mat, museum glass (still some reflections in both).
I'm quite happy with all of these, but doubt I'll be making any more.
p.3 #6 · The End of Printing - Digital Picture Frame (near) Perfection
Jim Dockery wrote:
I just thought of a good addition to the discussion that I would love to see, esp. from those espousing prints over digital: your own prints on the wall showing/telling how they were printed, framed, glassed, and lit. I just walked around the house snapping a few phone shots of a small number of the prints I have up.
This first is a canvas of Artists Palette in Death Valley, 20x30" printed on Exhibition Canvas on an Epson 7900. It is hanging just inside our front door along with a number of oil paintings by an artist friend. The light here is from windows at the side of the door. No frame cost and no glare from glass being advantages of canvas. https://i.postimg.cc/QCLHYWhz/IMG%207897.jpg
These three are 35 year old Cibachromes I printed and matted myself BITD. Frames are simple black metal, with standard glass. The color and contrast is holding up amazingly well, but they are not in direct sun as you can see. Directional ceiling light that doesn't do them all equal justice. https://i.postimg.cc/TRCnfkkK/IMG-7898.jpg
Our bedroom. Pano over bed was printed on Epson Premium Luster, museum glass. Large print on wall is Epson Exhibition Fibre, custom frame and mat, museum glass (still some reflections in both). https://i.postimg.cc/DZ4Scc3n/IMG%207907.jpg
I'm quite happy with all of these, but doubt I'll be making any more. ...Show more →
You’ve just shown one big advantage of prints. They decorate different rooms in your house. Surely you won’t have a TV on the walls in all the different rooms in the house.
p.3 #7 · The End of Printing - Digital Picture Frame (near) Perfection
A big display is more like slide shows on a projector, which I think is great for viewing photos(which is all about the photos), but not so great to decorate a room (which is about the atmosphere of the space), maybe unless the room is always very bright with controlled colour temperature. (or the display has a sensor for adjusting the brightness and colour temperature )
p.3 #10 · The End of Printing - Digital Picture Frame (near) Perfection
chez wrote:
You’ve just shown one big advantage of prints. They decorate different rooms in your house. Surely you won’t have a TV on the walls in all the different rooms in the house.
Heh. We’d probably need many dozens of screens in our house. Both my wife and I are photographers, and we have work by a number of photographer friends. Let’s see — looking around I can see 17 prints in the the room I’m sitting in. Probably the same number in the living room, and add the same number again (or a bit more) for the other rooms in the house. Maybe 50-60 otal?
We give thought to which prints go where, too. Some prints hung in proximity to each other share subjects. (For example, I have a set of four urban night photographs in the wall to my right.) Another wall features prints by friends and acquaintances: John Sexton (including a shot of Ansel that he made), Bill Neill, Charlie Cramer, Franka M. Gabler, Camille Seamans, and others.
Again, I think that screen display has its place… but I don’t think it is going to replace prints any time soon.
p.3 #11 · The End of Printing - Digital Picture Frame (near) Perfection
Nice work Jim!
I also struggled with how to enjoy all the images I have hidden away on my computer hard drives never to be seen by anyone but myself for the most part.
Several years ago I decided to install a 75 Sony Bravia OLED in our living room for mainly TV viewing.
I then discovered that I could link my Flickr account to the Gallery app installed on the TV.
I have it set-up to use this gallery app when it goes into screen saver mode or I can just go directly into the Gallery to view any particular image or album collection such as landscapes.
So now, all my Flickr images are displayed for anyone to view. The best part is, I don't have to do anything or "add" images to a database or USB stick. Whenever I add images to my Flickr account they're automatically available and added to the slide shows.
I do agree that displaying large prints is esthetically ideal, however I only have so much wall space which is already covered with prints. Plus, it becomes difficult to choose what image justifies spending $$$ to have printed.
This way, I get to share a lot more of my work without dumping tons of time or money into it.
p.3 #12 · The End of Printing - Digital Picture Frame (near) Perfection
Thanks for the continued discussion guys.
Tony, that vine maple over the river is one of my favorite prints also - taken just a couple miles from where I worked for 21 years.
Chez & Dan, as I said before I agree in many ways with all of your comments on the advantages of prints. I think a lot of my viewpoint is influenced by a life time of shooting slide film and doing shows (with 2 projectors and a lap-dissolve). A well projected image is bigger and more "life like" than any print, esp. a mountain climbing or skiing shot on a bright day, which is most of what I shot. This new set-up won't replace my prints, and I'm not getting other digital displays for any other rooms, but when I displayed my first images of our recent trip to Iceland on this TV it was breathtaking. My wife was a bit hesitant, but understood the concept of getting to see new work. She is equally happy with the results and the Leon Studio Frame is an important addition to class it up a notch to feel like "art" - we have a long standing agreement that she gets final say on decorating our living/dinning room, while I have my skiing/climbing photos and beer steins from Germany in our computer/TV room down stairs.
p.3 #13 · The End of Printing - Digital Picture Frame (near) Perfection
Jim Dockery wrote:
Thanks for the continued discussion guys.
Tony, that vine maple over the river is one of my favorite prints also - taken just a couple miles from where I worked for 21 years.
Chez & Dan, as I said before I agree in many ways with all of your comments on the advantages of prints. I think a lot of my viewpoint is influenced by a life time of shooting slide film and doing shows (with 2 projectors and a lap-dissolve). A well projected image is bigger and more "life like" than any print, esp. a mountain climbing or skiing shot on a bright day, which is most of what I shot. This new set-up won't replace my prints, and I'm not getting other digital displays for any other rooms, but when I displayed my first images of our recent trip to Iceland on this TV it was breathtaking. My wife was a bit hesitant, but understood the concept of getting to see new work. She is equally happy with the results and the Leon Studio Frame is an important addition to class it up a notch to feel like "art" - we have a long standing agreement that she gets final say on decorating our living/dinning room, while I have my skiing/climbing photos and beer steins from Germany in our computer/TV room down stairs....Show more →
Jim, I can understand having a digital display to show your work as a slide show when guests come over. I do the same with my Sony TV…but where you have that frame hanging it seems pretty hard for guests to sit down and watch a slide show. It really looks like it’s positioned like you would a print. Am I right?
Another method of showing off your work is via coffee table books. I find guests are more involved as they flip through the pages…staying longer on pages that really grab them and moving along to another page if the current one doesn’t do anything for them. You can also add some documentary with the images that further engages the guests.
p.3 #14 · The End of Printing - Digital Picture Frame (near) Perfection
Chez, you are right on the TV placement - set there as if it were a huge print (also the only wall in our house big enough), not intended for regular slide shows, although the mount allows it to be pulled out and turned for good viewing from our living room furniture out of picture on the left. We already have an older LG OLED in the basement "TV room" that has more optimum seating hooked up to my computer when I want to do a formal slide show. I use Fotomagico software on my mac for that.
For the most part this new set-up is for Debbie and I to enjoy our newer pictures in our day to day life. I love sitting at breakfast and flipping through a few of my latest.
p.3 #15 · The End of Printing - Digital Picture Frame (near) Perfection
Jim Dockery wrote:
For the most part this new set-up is for Debbie and I to enjoy our newer pictures in our day to day life. I love sitting at breakfast and flipping through a few of my latest.
Which is all that matters. The best of two worlds. Slideshows can even be made where you can give someone else the option to forward the images at whatever speed they want. My old-fashioned way is having the slideshows or just the images on a DVD to play on a variety of digital devices. You can of course also take photos of all the prints hanging on your walls and show them to others, just like you did here.
Some of you may remember:
Over a period of 40 years, millions of travellers viewed Coloramas as they passed through the main concourse of the Grand Central Station in New York.
Each was a panoramic view—18 feet high by 60 feet wide— shining like a beacon in the dimly lit, cavernous room.
When the first one was displayed in May, 1950. One newspaper account said, “it mesmerized and stunned.” The impact on sales fully justified the cost of producing and displaying subsequent Coloramas for 40 more years…a total of 565 of them. The frame they were displayed on in the terminal concourse required more than a mile of cold cathode tubular lighting, that generated 60,000 watts giving the images ultra, eye-popping luminosity.
As time went on, technological advances in photography allowed the use of smaller and smaller cameras; near the end of the Colorama era, even 35mm cameras were used to produce the humongous prints with no apparent loss of visual quality when viewed from the floor of the enormous room.
Coloramas were promoted by Kodak as “the world’s largest photographs” and called “technically remarkable” by Ansel Adams, who photographed several.
Prints exhibited at that size would have looked dull in comparison regardless of any type of lighting.
p.3 #16 · The End of Printing - Digital Picture Frame (near) Perfection
chez wrote:
Another method of showing off your work is via coffee table books. I find guests are more involved as they flip through the pages…staying longer on pages that really grab them and moving along to another page if the current one doesn’t do anything for them. You can also add some documentary with the images that further engages the guests.
Books are a fine idea, and an alternate way to share many images in one "thing." And, yes, you can add explanatory text — or not, if that's your preference.
Another option is to put out folios — small collections of prints in a nice box or sleeve.
Zero power consumption! "We are going to replace all paper prints":
Definitely is a better approach than putting your images onto a TV that blares out at you. Give the technology another few years and I’d be interested.
.This could go on for days!
