p.1 #1 · Your thoughts on qualtiy+compact film camera vs x100vi/Fuji apsc digital
I've got a Sony A7cii that I've been enjoying the most with the lenses from Voigtlander. But the Leica mount lenses are significantly smaller. I've been wanting smaller and smaller setups so there's less obstacle to taking it out and using it.
And I was thinking that if I was going to add a new camera, a Leica and using the rangefinder I might as well get the full benefit from that retro experience and get a film version ... I'd have a different look to my Sony full-frame, and my fuji apsc.
I was looking at the Leica MP. The used prices aren't far off new and it's not cheap for me but if it's the only film camera I ever get, I can justify that.
Then I was learning about the viewfinder, how they come with 0.72x, which is great for 35mm and less so for 50mm. And that a 0.85 is better, but you need to pay Leica even more and wait 4 months for them to fit it.
And how the 75mm framelines still kind of interfere too so then you need to get them masked.
Or you get an M3 for a 50mm but then need to use another tool to meter unless you want to shoot stopped down.
And that film is scary to take on a plane because it could get x-rayed.
And how you can't really change ISO until the film is finished.
And that if you have the camera pointing at the sun for a little while it will burn a hole through your shutter.
And the shutter only goes to 1/1000 so you'll need ND filters, especially with iso 400.
And how when you compose with leica with a rangefinder when wanting to shoot with a larger aperture, the focus is in the centre, so the person is going to be in the centre in every shot.
Assuming you don't run into any issues with backfocussing/front focussing or whatever else these cameras and lenses have.
So I was just sitting there thinking why am I putting myself through all this. There's so many roadblocks.
Is it worth it? I have no idea.
Would anyone with both the x100v/vi and a compact high-end film camera share their thoughts on both?
I know I'm losing 50mm with the x100vi. But I like it for 28mm with the wideangle adaptor, as well as at 35mm for daily journaling.
I've been going through my favourite photos, and they're rarely the ones that stand out technically with the a7cii. Either I'm using the samyang 45mm f1.8 in aps-c mode with film-like editing, the nokton 50mm f1.2 in apsc mode or wide open at high iso, or my fuji x100vi with the wide angle adaptor at something like f2.8 where the image quality isn't stellar, or with higher iso.
I like the idea of not having to worry about batteries, about getting an anologue image with film.
But when I press a toggle to switch an ND on, pull and twist to set the iso to 1250 with the nd in bright daylight, see the image right on the back of the screen, how light and compact it is, switching between optical and digital viewfinder, can quickly record some video...
It just can't do 50mm as well as I'd like (I do have the x-e3/5 with the xf35mm f1.4 but that's two bodies).
And I wish it was a little larger aperture at 35mm for indoors at restraunts etc.
But what I am I really getting for picking up an MP (with a voigtlander 50mm f1.5 II) over it... is it worth putting up with all this over just taking that cute little x100vi out and stomping on the digital image with high iso etc and doing a few tweaks in lightroom and getting something that gives a similar (?) feeling.
p.1 #3 · Your thoughts on qualtiy+compact film camera vs x100vi/Fuji apsc digital
fjablo wrote:
I wouldn't spend the money on the Leica MP until you have figured out what you're really looking for.
So you want smaller than the a7c II + Voigtländer lenses (which ones?) or Samyang 45mm f1.8. But the Leica would be bigger than that setup, so...?
Do you prefer manual focus or is autofocus fine?
Which focal lengths need to be covered? (related: fixed lens or interchangeable)
Seems you also have Fuji X-E3, with which lenses other than the 35mm f1.4 and have you considered expanding this system (e.g. Voigtländer 23mm f1.2)?
I was thinking about getting a cheap film camera just to get a feel of the images I'll get from it with but have no idea where to start and I'd want something compact and ideally can take small m mount lenses like the voigtlander 50mm f1.5 II, which I think is going to be end game for me due to size, rather than spend even more money in smaller steps.
And I do like the look of the film images I see. The images that I like the most from my digital cameras tend to give off (what I think is) a similar vibe...but not quite there and often not without some post-processing effort, which I would really love to keep to an asbolute minimum.
I think it's worth giving a shot, do you have a recommendation on a cheaper camera that might fit the bill, or close enough?
The Leica is taller than the A7cii but it's thinner and more compact, especially with that CV 50mm f1.5 lens right? I thought it would be a signficant saving but I haven't held it in hand and would certainly go to the store first, at least for the camera. Can't really do that with the lens here.
I'd love the summilux 50mm f1.4 asph but I don't see much point if I have the a7cii with the voigtlander 50mmf1.2 with the freedom in composition for similar size once you get past the point of being able to store camera front-facing in a very small bag with a couple other things in there.
Manual focus is absolutley fine for now. The 23mmf1.2 crossed my mind but didn't give it too much thought. It looked kind of big on the x-e compared to the x100vi.
Would be nice to dual-purpose the xe fuji though, get more out of it than just using the xf35mmf1.4 with it. More useful in low light than the x100 too.
This was the image that put me off:
35mm for me is just daily journaling and I don't think I can beat the x100 for that in terms of practicality (compared to other fuji apsc), nor the Sony A7cii (even if the 40mm f2 TTartisan lens is reasonable in size (it's tiny actually, and nice IQ but it's still on the a7cii).
It's the people shots at 50mm, family and friends etc that I value the most and all my favourites seem to look like wannabe film shots - even when they're straight out of camera - which I only feel I get with the noktons (below f2.8).
And the x100vi with the wide angle adaptor also comes very close to hitting the spot, but it's not the key focal length for me.
I guess I've confused and complicated things bringing the x100 into the topic. It's more important as an alternative to the a7cii + 40-50mm lenses for consistent and authentic film looks in a compact size.
And then if I really love it, possibly a compact 28mm and 35mmf1.4 or f2 also. Once in a blue moon, maybe a 75mm.
There's just so many obstacles in the way I wonder if it's worth it.
Those are really two of the smallest interchangeable lens cameras around.
But if you want M mount, there aren't many options out there. Fast yet compact wide-angle is also tricky outside of M mount. So if that's what you want, the Leica is kinda the only choice for film.
I'm not sure you're quite prepared for how much work it is to shoot and scan(!) film. I guess you can get scans from the lab, but there's a lot of subjectivity in how you convert a (color) negative. I've often been disappointed with lab scans, but the negative still contained the image I actually wanted when I scanned it myself.
I'd suggest testing if you get along with film workflow first, before dropping a couple k on a Leica. Maybe with one of the small SLRs, e.g. Pentax ME or MX + Pentax-M 50mm f1.7
But to be fair if you buy used, you could probably sell the Leica MP for around the same amount you pay for it, so maybe the financial risk is limited.
Those are really two of the smallest interchangeable lens cameras around.
But if you want M mount, there aren't many options out there. Fast yet compact wide-angle is also tricky outside of M mount. So if that's what you want, the Leica is kinda the only choice for film.
I'm not sure you're quite prepared for how much work it is to shoot and scan(!) film. I guess you can get scans from the lab, but there's a lot of subjectivity in how you convert a (color) negative. I've often been disappointed with lab scans, but the negative still contained the image I actually wanted when I scanned it myself.
I'd suggest testing if you get along with film workflow first, before dropping a couple k on a Leica. Maybe with one of the small SLRs, e.g. Pentax ME or MX + Pentax-M 50mm f1.7
But to be fair if you buy used, you could probably sell the Leica MP for around the same amount you pay for it, so maybe the financial risk is limited. ...Show more →
I've used that site so much, it's a shame they don't have many voigtlander lenses, but understandable.
I've been looking at the depth of the camera as it affects carrying the most I think, both around the neck and in a small bag. It seems closer to the fuji than the a7cii.
And just picturing that CV 50mmf1.5 lens on it (from Jack Takahashi's review), third from left:
The a7cii with the nokton 40/50mm f1.2 isn't a deal breaker by any means, it's just not something I'd love to take all the time to social events, where I'd want to use it the most! And it's just borderline looking like a more pro camera than a hobbyist one. Even with the x100 sometimes, people get a little .. set back, and I want to minimise uncomfort as much as possible.
I think I would get negatives developed and scanned by some local company, try to lessen the burden when starting out especially as it seems like quite a lot already compared to just using the a7cii, even with manual focus. I do appreciate that (as I could without trying it in practice).
The pricing unfortunately is so high here even compared to new. It's over $5K used for the MP (with barely any available) when brand new is $6.5K. And I know I'll want a lightmeter that won't crap out in 5 years after dropping a couple K on a used M6 ttl or something like that --- probably when people start to sell theirs.
I will look into finding one of the Pentax cameras to make sure, they're very affordable with a lens too, thank you for the suggestion.
p.1 #6 · Your thoughts on qualtiy+compact film camera vs x100vi/Fuji apsc digital
You’ve thoroughly confused me.
Can you rent or try out a Leica close to where you are?
Also, the thickness of the body matters little except for how it feels to hold it. Unless you have a pancake lens, the package becomes about the same.
I’m hesitant to say anything more, because I really don’t know what it is you seek. A different shooting experience? A different look to your images? A new toy?
p.1 #7 · Your thoughts on qualtiy+compact film camera vs x100vi/Fuji apsc digital
johnvanr wrote:
You’ve thoroughly confused me.
Can you rent or try out a Leica close to where you are?
Also, the thickness of the body matters little except for how it feels to hold it. Unless you have a pancake lens, the package becomes about the same.
I’m hesitant to say anything more, because I really don’t know what it is you seek. A different shooting experience? A different look to your images? A new toy?
Understandable, sorry about that.
I can barely rent any lenses where I am unless it's the more standard sony ones wedding photographers would use.
Am I looking for a different shooting experience - maybe but more about consistent and authentic filmic look to the images in a smaller size.
In terms of the impact of lens size even between the smaller ones -- while exploring Sony, I've picked up a plethora of compact 40-55mm lenses, and there's a very significant difference between say the voigtlander 50mm f1.2 (SE version -- the smaller and lighter one) versus that 40mm f2 from TT artisan for example, which I think is quite close in size to the CV 50mm f1.5 II I've been eying for an m camera.
For the random shot you take the camera out for - no, there isn't. Carrying it outside all day and using (in a social or solo setting) definitely.
In how it feels to hold, how it is around your neck, how small the bag is that you carry it with. The looks people give when pulling it out and using it --- they've all gotten used to phone cameras, so every cm helps - and I can feel that too.
And the size of the bag being very small makes it feel less like you're going out with a camera, and closer to just going out and you have your camera available.
I do really like the TTA 40mm f2, both the images and the size but it is closer to a 37mm and they're all still on the a7cii and its body and sensor - which definitely has its place but it is thicker and the end result isn't quite film.
If it was on a body like the fujis, and it gave me a film look... that's a nice new toy that should also be quite useful to me. The xf 35mmf1.4 certainly has a unique look, but it's not filmic.
Maybe someone with much better processing skills can get it there more consistantly, but it would only get close to the samyang 45mmf1.8 or the noktons if I really tried.
Absolutely fantastic in terms of feel/size with the x-e5 (with the smallrig thumbgrip), even if it's a little bit on the longer side. Very light and small enough for that small bag, great size camera body. Just not the look I want as often, even if the younger family and friends like their images more than from the Sony.
I'm going to give the pentax camera suggested a go but I think I've got the camera and lens lined up (for compact and speed) if it works out .. even if it's not perfect, and borderline ridiculously expensive for what you get.
I'm at the point where I think I'd like one camera that does real film regardless, that I enjoy taking and using. For the variety and experience, even if I decide it's not my daily driver.
But you're right, I do need to check the m camera in person, and will be doing that before indulging too. I would love to borrow the leica for a week to make sure the frameline stuff isn't going to be a fun killer.. maybe I can get an idea in-store.
Will be looking for a clean pentax to get a feel for film first.
I don't want the image to look like it's been taken in the 1930s so may have to stick with it to see if I can actually achieve something closer to the nokton than a pinhole camera.
Don't know my way around film stock, was thinking of giving portra 400 and ektachrome E100 a shot, maybe some kodak gold 200.
p.1 #8 · Your thoughts on qualtiy+compact film camera vs x100vi/Fuji apsc digital
You can actually change ISO from frame to frame with some films, notably Ilford XP2 400, which is a chromogenic black-and-white film. Ilford advertises that you can shoot it from IS 50 up to 800 all on the same roll, changing ISO between shots, and process normally in C-41 (with colour films). I've done it quite a few times and it works. But you can't do that with most films.
Borrowing a Leica for a week sounds like a good idea; it'll be a different experience from what you're used to, for sure; some people take to it and others don't. I struggled with it for a while but I like having a film camera that works in a completely different way from my digital cameras. It puts me in a different mindset and I take different photos than I do with my other cameras.
See if you can borrow a Leica for a week or two and I would suggest either a cheap colour film like Gold or Ultramax, or else shoot XP2 for your first roll if you want B&W. It's a pretty foolproof film so even if you make exposure mistakes you should still get usable images.
p.1 #9 · Your thoughts on qualtiy+compact film camera vs x100vi/Fuji apsc digital
I say try film first and see if you like it (and the workflow that comes with it) before trying to use it to solve a problem. Something cheap and easy like a Nikon N80 and an autofocus 50 f/1.8 will give you sharp, well-exposed negatives so you can get a feel for film and the quality of your lab options. If you like the results and you find a good lab, then it makes more sense to find a film system that you can use in an everyday sort of role.
p.1 #10 · Your thoughts on qualtiy+compact film camera vs x100vi/Fuji apsc digital
Since you’re in London, you can at least get a feel for a Leica at the Leica store.
I think there are many ways with plugins etc. to get a film look from a digital file.
And before splurging on a Leica, like others said, pick up a cheap film camera and go through the process of actually shooting film, developing it or having it developed and scanning it. It’s quite a commitment and unlike digital it keeps adding costs with each shot.
p.1 #11 · Your thoughts on qualtiy+compact film camera vs x100vi/Fuji apsc digital
Definitely makes sense to actually try film and see if I can get results from a lab that I like before yolo'ing into a $5K mp. I'll be sensible, thank you all. Can get a little nutty.
I've been looking for a cheaper film camera based on the suggestions. I'm seeing quite a few pentax mx + 50mmf1.7 for sale but I don't think a single one has said the light meter is working properly, might be a bit too old (which might be a warning about the mp, I don't know.).
Nikon F80 there's only one and no comment on the light meter but it's newer I think.
Will try and look into it some but I have a habit of over researching, just want a clean, affordable film camera with a working light meter and a faster 50 to test the waters.
@bjhurley thank you for the tip on the Ilford b+w, made a note for the Ilford XP2 400 and will refer back to your post.
@johnvanr I have tried a couple of software solutions but not extensively. I kept feeling like it was ... impersonating and that I was doing something wrong going so heavy on the post processing!
Would be nice to have something authentic ... but maybe getting the post processing right will end up being the answer. I'll do the song and dance and get the experience with film first, just feels like a funner way to spend my time than endless colour combinations and slider tweaking but will hold off on the MP, as much as I want to do something foolish.
p.1 #12 · Your thoughts on qualtiy+compact film camera vs x100vi/Fuji apsc digital
Film Leicas are awesome, but are serious cash now. For a toe in the water of film photography I would recommend starting with a nice SLR. If you want to go for a fully mechanical camera I think the best bang/buck options are Nikon FM, Olympus OM1 or Pentax MX if you must have the smallest possible camera. If you don’t mind something a bit bigger, the Nikkormat FT2 or Pentax KX are great. Having the smallest possible camera is over-rated IMO. I prefer the larger cameras. If I use a compact prime on it I don’t notice the extra weight.
If you have your heart set on a Leica, I think the M3 is the nicest camera and not crazy money.
p.1 #13 · Your thoughts on qualtiy+compact film camera vs x100vi/Fuji apsc digital
Another +1 to getting a decent manual film SLR first to see how you get along with the film workflow.
It is a slower process, which I personally find more rewarding.
C41 colour film can be quite forgiving, as long as you lean towards overexposure
For renting I can recommend Fat Llama https://fatllama.com/uk (no affiliation). Quite a few folks renting their photo gear around London, including Leicas.
p.1 #14 · Your thoughts on qualtiy+compact film camera vs x100vi/Fuji apsc digital
Then I was learning about the viewfinder, how they come with 0.72x, which is great for 35mm and less so for 50mm.
The .72 is great for 35 and 50. I have the M3 w the .91, M6 etc w .72, and an MP w .58
There is a reason Leica settled on the .72.
But!!!! Do not buy a Leica until you know you're actually going to like the film experience!
And do NOT buy an expensive fancy P&S - they are all ticking time bombs.
Get a super cheap P&S like the Samsung AF Slim Zoom (the one with the 35-70 lens) for about $30.
Tiny, fits in your pocket, takes great pics. Or something similar to that.
If you do want to buy a new w warranty camera, Lomo actually is just releasing a new one - the MC-A - which honestly looks fantastic. Thread on it here:
p.1 #15 · Your thoughts on qualtiy+compact film camera vs x100vi/Fuji apsc digital
The only thing I have with SLRs as an alternative to a mirrorless camera is that they're too similar. If I'm going to shoot film, I want the whole experience to be different (I know this is just me, but it's a process I've gone through in the past few years of using different cameras).
When I use my SLRs, I end up taking the same kinds of photos I take with my Sony....and the Sony ones look objectively better in every way (resolution, dynamic range, colours, etc.); subjectively I might prefer the film photos but I'd rather be forced out of my comfort zone when I'm shooting film and think in different ways.
So I like to use rangefinders, TLRs, pinhole cameras, and toy cameras for film because their constraints require me to work differently and I don't take the same kinds of photos that I do with my Sony.
A cheap entry into the rangefinder world would be something like a Canon P; you can put any of the small shoe-mounted light meters into the cold shoe. The only drawbacks I've found are 1) all three framelines (35, 50, 100) are visible all the time in the viewfinder, which can feel a bit cluttered but I quickly got used to it; and 2) the Canon P's focusing patch is oval and sort of fuzzy as opposed to the crisp rectangle of the Leica; that also took me a while to get used to but now I rarely miss focus. A Canon P and any of the cheaper LTM lenses would be far less expensive than any of the film Leicas. I have both (a Canon P and a Leica M2-R) and I much prefer the Canon and use it a lot more, mainly because it fits in my hand better and I prefer the layout of its controls. But it's harder to find people to service those old Canon rangefinders.
p.1 #16 · Your thoughts on qualtiy+compact film camera vs x100vi/Fuji apsc digital
bjhurley wrote:
The only thing I have with SLRs as an alternative to a mirrorless camera is that they're too similar. If I'm going to shoot film, I want the whole experience to be different
That's interesting because all I ever wanted was a digital camera that gives me the same experience as a manual film SLR and imo it just doesn't exist. Not even close. It's one of the main reasons why I shoot film (+ I like the aesthetic).
If the Nikon Df hadn't sucked so hard, I probably wouldn't be shooting as much film as I do. Still remember their teaser commercials hinting at a digital FM3a ..and then they release this re-skinned D600 that couldn't even install proper focusing screens
In contrast a digital Leica and a film Leica are not so different in user experience imo.
But agree there's just a lot more variety of different camera types with film and that's part of the fun.
p.1 #17 · Your thoughts on qualtiy+compact film camera vs x100vi/Fuji apsc digital
Appreciate the help everyone. I actually do see a leica M3 on fatlama rental site that I can borrow for a week for approx $300 without a lens. And there's one for sale on ebay from Japan for like $3K before import duty, but looks like a lot of work has been done to make it look like new.
However, the whole no meter thing is a step too far for me right now, so I'm trying to find something with one. Maybe in 30 years, I only just came back to photography earlier this year after quite a long hiatus (but had a nikon d200 since my early teens). Everyone mentions Sunny 16 but the aperture is what I usually decide on first.
So I've been trying to find something with a meter that is likely to work to practice with just so there's no unnecessary roadblocks. But worst comes to worse I'll give it a go with a phone light meter.
That Lomo point and shoot looks fun, I will wait around and see what people say, I saw a pre-release video on it and it didn't even have a viewfinder lens yet. It's a shame Fuji stopped making that klasse camera, too pricey now for so much electronics.
But if I still haven't found a film camera by the time people on here have received theirs and had some experience, I might just go with the Lomo for the taster.
@bjhurley I understand what you're saying about SLR vs rangefinder, and I'm expecting to get a rangefinder for the proper one due to size. It's just the more affordable rangefinders I can pick up for testing film basically have no light meter, or likely has stopped working. As good as that canon P looks.
It's been a bit difficult to find some of the recommended ones in reasonable condition + light meter.
So I've been looking at Canon AE1-P since I might be able to get it with the nfd 50mm f1.4 which I wanted to test out anyway a while back but moved on without doing so. Otherwise I see an Olympus OM10 that looks in okay condition with a lens.
p.1 #18 · Your thoughts on qualtiy+compact film camera vs x100vi/Fuji apsc digital
Yogifi wrote:
Appreciate the help everyone. I actually do see a leica M3 on fatlama rental site that I can borrow for a week for approx $300 without a lens. And there's one for sale on ebay from Japan for like $3K before import duty, but looks like a lot of work has been done to make it look like new.
However, the whole no meter thing is a step too far for me right now, so I'm trying to find something with one. Maybe in 30 years, I only just came back to photography earlier this year after quite a long hiatus (but had a nikon d200 or 250 since my teens). Everyone mentions Sunny 16 but the aperture is what I usually decide on first.
So I've been trying to find something with a meter that is likely to work to practice with just so there's no unnecessary roadblocks. But worst comes to worse I'll give it a go with a phone light meter. ...Show more →
On the N80 and meter functionality you mentioned earlier, they were made 2000 to 2006 so very late in the film timeline. They had DSLR tech by that point, and I don't think I've ever seen one with a non-functioning meter. If the meter doesn't work, the rest of the camera probably doesn't work. I would buy with confidence in that regard. Same goes for N75/F75, basically the same but smaller.
On the M3 and meterless shooting in general, I don't necessarily recommend it for your first film camera, but if you do stick with film, then I absolutely do recommend trying it. A phone is perfectly fine if you get into a bind or need to set a reference point, and a handheld or cold shoe meter is a great option as well. But I think most people would be surprised at how intuitive sunny 16 is, and how good they can be at judging light (at least within the context of using reasonably forgiving film). It's easy and free to practice, too. Look at a scene, make an exposure call, then check with a phone meter. You don't even have to lug around a camera!
p.1 #19 · Your thoughts on qualtiy+compact film camera vs x100vi/Fuji apsc digital
Yogifi wrote:
Appreciate the help everyone. I actually do see a leica M3 on fatlama rental site that I can borrow for a week for approx $300 without a lens. And there's one for sale on ebay from Japan for like $3K before import duty, but looks like a lot of work has been done to make it look like new.
However, the whole no meter thing is a step too far for me right now, so I'm trying to find something with one. Maybe in 30 years, I only just came back to photography earlier this year after quite a long hiatus (but had a nikon d200 since my early teens). Everyone mentions Sunny 16 but the aperture is what I usually decide on first.
So I've been trying to find something with a meter that is likely to work to practice with just so there's no unnecessary roadblocks. But worst comes to worse I'll give it a go with a phone light meter.
That Lomo point and shoot looks fun, I will wait around and see what people say, I saw a pre-release video on it and it didn't even have a viewfinder lens yet. It's a shame Fuji stopped making that klasse camera, too pricey now for so much electronics.
But if I still haven't found a film camera by the time people on here have received theirs and had some experience, I might just go with the Lomo for the taster.
@bjhurley@ I understand what you're saying about SLR vs rangefinder, and I'm expecting to get a rangefinder for the proper one due to size. It's just the more affordable rangefinders I can pick up for testing film basically have no light meter, or likely has stopped working. As good as that canon P looks.
It's been a bit difficult to find some of the recommended ones in reasonable condition + light meter.
So I've been looking at Canon AE1-P since I might be able to get it with the nfd 50mm f1.4 which I wanted to test out anyway a while back but moved on without doing so. Otherwise I see an Olympus OM10 that looks in okay condition with a lens....Show more →
$3k is way too much for an M3! If it was worth that I’d sell you mine! ;p
I had a Klasse W and loved it. And it just died on me. Don’t even think of going the fancy p&s route unless you are cool with throwing $1300 out of the window.
This may sound a bit silly, but having a lever film wind on a 35mm camera really adds to the experience.
p.1 #20 · Your thoughts on qualtiy+compact film camera vs x100vi/Fuji apsc digital
A couple of suggestions to ease into film to see if you like it:
Yashica electro 35 GX for the rangefinder experience. Its an aperture priority manual focus rangefinder. Exposure compensation can only be done by changing the ISO to trick the meter. Fixed 40mm lens is fast, lacks a bit of contrast wide open but is good from f2.8.
Olympus OM2, with an OM 35mm f2.8. Can do aperture priority and full manual. Batteries are easily available and cheap. Viewfinder makes manual focussing easy. The 35mm f2.8 is a pretty nice lens with good colours and contrast.
Canon EOS 300x, Rebel Ti, etc, with EF 40mm f2.8 pancake. Can do every mode, AF will be as fast as the X100v and the lens is sharp from wide open though lacking in character.
