I seldom if ever use it for image editing but it's my #1 program choice for culling through RAW files, for "keepers".
It has a Quick Check function that allows you to load an unlimited number of image files with an interface that provides both a number and/or Star rating system transferable to Photoshop and other image editing programs.
In addition, with a Histogram, AF Point location, and complete EXIF Camera & lens data, so even when an image is unacceptable, you can examine all the Camera & lens settings to help in determining what went wrong & hopefully prevent it from repeating in the future.
rscheffler wrote:
Picking a random DSLR on Canon's support site shows that DPP v4 is available for Windows 10, though the last version for the non x64 version of Windows 10 is from 2019, so will not have support for newer cameras. DPP for Windows 10 x64 version was last updated a few months ago, so it seems Canon is (or was) still providing updates. I'm not a Windows user, so not familiar with the details around different versions of Windows 10, etc.
I used DPP for a long time until I needed a faster workflow to handle processing large image sets. IMO the strength of DPP was you got 'authentic' Canon colors and good sharpening (at that time, not sure now). Back then I even used it to run noise reduction on jpeg files from RAW exports through Silkypix (from a non-Canon camera). At the time I thought it was pretty good. The downside of DPP back then, and maybe still relevant today, was the lack of ability to apply local edits (dodging & burning, etc). Therefore DPP was always the first step in a rather tedious workflow chain that usually also included localized adjustments in Photoshop.
I think the OP is normally an in-camera jpeg shooter and usually avoids any post production work on the computer. DPP would basically be a step up from this by remaining faithful to Canon's color science while allowing basic corrections such as white balance, color and tonality. IF the OP was looking to get deeper into postproduction with an 'all in one' app, then Lightroom, Capture one or DxO PhotoLab might be better options. Though not all of those are available non-subscription. There are probably others. ...Show more →
Funny this thread came up, I did this just the other day, downloaded a couple versions of DPP 4 for old camera. Looks like you can get an older version of DPP 4 for the 400d on 10, and the updater for DPP 3 if the op has a disk, but yeah , it may be harder on the recent bodies, not sure. Granted, 10 is mostly out of date, especially if you didn't get the paid updates
The op should be able to select all the photos in the file (ctrl A) and convert to Jpeg's similar to the in camera ones he's getting already just to be familiar with it and get going. Then have the raws as needed. There may be better batch options today, but DPP has batch, and several years ago when I tried them dxo and the open source processors weren't any faster, but almost certainly slower than DPP 3
DPP is a raw processor like dxo and the open source I tried. You probably should get something else to edit, you could probably get away with straight rezizing vs proper sharpen and resize, though, for a lot of things so just depends.
I installed DPP 4.20.11 already 5 times this week on Win 10 machines.
It also installs on Win 11. You don't need any older versions except for really old OS or those that are 32 bit. It's not like 10 turned into a pumpkin on October 14. How long new DPP versions will be supported is anyone's guess but a lot of people are using computers that cannot run 11. If the OP is buying a new camera in the future it may be a problem, but current or older Canon bodies should work with DPP 4.20.11.
EB-1 wrote:
I installed DPP 4.20.11 already 5 times this week on Win 10 machines.
It also installs on Win 11. You don't need any older versions except for really old OS or those that are 32 bit. It's not like 10 turned into a pumpkin on October 14. How long new DPP versions will be supported is anyone's guess but a lot of people are using computers that cannot run 11. If the OP is buying a new camera in the future it may be a problem, but current or older Canon bodies should work with DPP 4.20.11.
EBH
Good to know it works on newer bodies and can still be installed on 10.
Windows 10 machines are certainly as capable, for photos, but you're not supposed to go on the internet once there are no more updates, is my understanding
When DPP 4 was first introduced it did not support older cameras so the DPP users kept DPP 3 (3.14.48 is the last one I have) as well to cover the range of old and new bodies. Eventually Canon updated DPP 4 to include more and more older camera bodies until most all were supported. I'm not sure about the late 90s/early 00s Kodak-Canon hybrids.
Just for fun I installed DPP 1.0 and then the updater for 3.14.48. It actually works fine on the old camera files, but crashes on unsupported files from newer cameras. There were a lot fewer options in DPP back then.
I just thought DPP 3 might be easier to learn for the op, and he probably already has a disk given his extensive camera gear. Open a file, hit ctrl a then batch process to have about the same as he's getting in jpeg, then he can try raw pp later. DPP 4 certainly has more options, but after I learned 4 I realized 3 has a lot of the same stuff as 4, but it seems like the older 3 didn't have the ability to rotate the image, for instance
Seems like DPP 4 only goes back to the 20D, or so I've read on here. 1.0 wow how old is that! Won't even take 3.15 updater I giess?
Well I had a look earlier at downloading DPP
I’ll fess up I know nothing about computers, so couldn’t even work out how to start it up after I downloaded from canon USA
But as I’ve said before I really hate computers probably because I don’t understand them and have zero interest or inclination to learn, so I’ll abandon the idea and just stick to JPEG’s.
AmbientMike wrote:
I just thought DPP 3 might be easier to learn for the op, and he probably already has a disk given his extensive camera gear. Open a file, hit ctrl a then batch process to have about the same as he's getting in jpeg, then he can try raw pp later. DPP 4 certainly has more options, but after I learned 4 I realized 3 has a lot of the same stuff as 4, but it seems like the older 3 didn't have the ability to rotate the image, for instance
Seems like DPP 4 only goes back to the 20D, or so I've read on here. 1.0 wow how old is that! Won't even take 3.15 updater I giess?...Show more →
I did not realize there was a 3.15, but I just DLed and updated DPP 3 to it.
DPP 1.0 was introduced in May 2004.
The current DPP 4.20.11 works on my 1Ds files from 2003. It includes far more DLO profiles than were available in DPP 3.15. For example it has lens profiles for the 300/2.8 IS + 2x II and can reprocess images from 2003 better than I could back then before DPP of any kind existed.
DXO cannot do much with those old files because it does not have the profiles of that combination.
Pixelpuffin wrote:
Well I had a look earlier at downloading DPP
I’ll fess up I know nothing about computers, so couldn’t even work out how to start it up after I downloaded from canon USA
But as I’ve said before I really hate computers probably because I don’t understand them and have zero interest or inclination to learn, so I’ll abandon the idea and just stick to JPEG’s.
Sorry
No problem. But you are posting here, so using some kind of computer.
Pixelpuffin wrote:
Well I had a look earlier at downloading DPP
I’ll fess up I know nothing about computers, so couldn’t even work out how to start it up after I downloaded from canon USA
But as I’ve said before I really hate computers probably because I don’t understand them and have zero interest or inclination to learn, so I’ll abandon the idea and just stick to JPEG’s.
Sorry
Usually you click on the icon, the program opens, and away you go.
EB-1 wrote:
No problem. But you are posting here, so using some kind of computer.
EBH
It’s my ancient phone
I use it for everything….forums, banking, purchases.
I just bought a few card readers off Amazon last month and now I can transfer any favourite snaps onto my phone
My partner gave me her old tablet and the adapter works with that too. But the phone is easier and is constantly with me 24/7
So I now never use the laptop at all. The battery was completely flat.
I guess I’m just a Luddite. I don’t watch TV as such just Netflix or YouTube but that’s less frequent these days, I’ve not watched any news programs since the last General Election so I’m completely ignorant about current/world affairs, never ever have the radio on. My only source of communication with the outside world is through WhatsApp.. that’s it.
Even watching YouTube.. if the ads are more than 20seconds I just hit the back button, the volume is ALWAYS off.. I hate background music and being forced to listen to peoples inane voices - so everything is subtitled. Sheer bliss
Actually since lockdown I’ve just stayed away, never really venture out (obviously still go to work) unless I’m with my partner.
So I’m at the age where everything is paid off and I now can afford all the things out there
But it’s all such a rip off I just flatly refuse to buy
The canon aps-c system should be small light fast and portable
The current canon offerings are not!!
The old M system had the 22 pancake and 32/1.4 (staggeringly sharp) plus all the bodies had sensor cleaning too
Now everything is over priced, dumbed down and crazy soft slow consumer tat unless you go with the FF system and haul about heavy L blocks of glass…err, no ta
So I just continue to use the efs/ef/efm system and shoot JPEG’s, upload to phone and share with friends on WhatsApp
EB-1 wrote:
I did not realize there was a 3.15, but I just DLed and updated DPP 3 to it.
DPP 1.0 was introduced in May 2004.
The current DPP 4.20.11 works on my 1Ds files from 2003. It includes far more DLO profiles than were available in DPP 3.15. For example it has lens profiles for the 300/2.8 IS + 2x II and can reprocess images from 2003 better than I could back then before DPP of any kind existed.
DXO cannot do much with those old files because it does not have the profiles of that combination.
EBH
I like DPP 3. It's retro, lite and pretty fast, if you are using a body old enough to use it (even T6 needed DPP4.) Shot portraits on a 20D one time semi-recently, 1 min or less for basic edits
I try to keep the installer file (not sure if thats the proper term) on different drives, if I can actually locate it if needed (the real trick lol,) it's good to know I'd be good back to the 20D or 1Ds2. The lens corrections back that far a bug plus, too
Installed DPP 4 on more of a netbook, 11, not very powerful, only took 8 sec or so on older body, might just use it on a windows 11 machine. No kidding, DPP must've been pretty new in 2005 on the Rebel xt I started in digital on
TomSchriefer wrote:
I started using DPP exclusively about 3 months ago. It is different, and it is a bit slow. It is crippled for working with JPG files, so I shoot exclusively RAW these days. I am currently playing with CRAW (40% smaller files) with no discernible difference from regular raw files. I am using a 90D.
I have experimented the Adobes Digital Negative Converter, and find it, and Adobe Photoshop Elements essentially useless. Adobe forces you to use Camera Raw, then move your files to PSE. PITA. DPP is way easier.
An update... of sorts. Up until this week, I have been comparing DPP4 to PSE (shooting raw and using DNG) by going over a few old photos. I prefer DPP4, but both have pluses and minuses. Today, I processed and entire shoot.
I have an automated program that imports my raw files, then generates a companion set of DNG files. In DPP4 I can open all the .cr3 files at once, make my global edits, and save those results, on the entire shoot at one time. Then along comes PSE, which of course, can open and process the DNG files. GLARING shortcoming with PSE: I have to open each file, INDIVIDUALLY, make my ACR choices, then save THAT ONE FILE. Then repeat, ad nauseum, all the way through the entire set of photos. Yes, you read that right. PSE (more properly, ACR) forces me to work with ONE DNG FILE at a time. I find that a gigantic waste of time. That is the last time I use PSE for anything I can do elsewhere. PSE is good for changing skies, removing unwanted objects, photo merge and such things. IT IS NOT A RAW PROCESSING PROGRAM, EVEN WITH DNG FILES.
TomSchriefer wrote:
I started using DPP exclusively about 3 months ago. It is different, and it is a bit slow. It is crippled for working with JPG files, so I shoot exclusively RAW these days. I am currently playing with CRAW (40% smaller files) with no discernible difference from regular raw files. I am using a 90D.
I have experimented the Adobes Digital Negative Converter, and find it, and Adobe Photoshop Elements essentially useless. Adobe forces you to use Camera Raw, then move your files to PSE. PITA. DPP is way easier.
An update... of sorts. Up until this week, I have been comparing DPP4 to PSE (shooting raw and using DNG) by going over a few old photos. I prefer DPP4, but both have pluses and minuses. Today, I processed and entire shoot.
I have an automated program that imports my raw files, then generates a companion set of DNG files. In DPP4 I can open all the .cr3 files at once, make my global edits, and save those results, on the entire shoot at one time. Then along comes PSE, which of course, can open and process the DNG files. GLARING shortcoming with PSE: I have to open each file, INDIVIDUALLY, make my ACR choices, then save THAT ONE FILE. Then repeat, ad nauseum, all the way through the entire set of photos. Yes, you read that right. PSE (more properly, ACR) forces me to work with ONE DNG FILE at a time. I find that a gigantic waste of time. That is the last time I use PSE for anything I can do elsewhere. PSE is good for changing skies, removing unwanted objects, photo merge and such things. IT IS NOT A RAW PROCESSING PROGRAM, EVEN WITH DNG FILES.
TomSchriefer wrote:
Then along comes PSE, which of course, can open and process the DNG files. GLARING shortcoming with PSE: I have to open each file, INDIVIDUALLY, make my ACR choices, then save THAT ONE FILE. Then repeat, ad nauseum, all the way through the entire set of photos. Yes, you read that right. PSE (more properly, ACR) forces me to work with ONE DNG FILE at a time. I find that a gigantic waste of time. That is the last time I use PSE for anything I can do elsewhere. PSE is good for changing skies, removing unwanted objects, photo merge and such things. IT IS NOT A RAW PROCESSING PROGRAM, EVEN WITH DNG FILES.
What types of photos (content) do you regularly edit? Is any of it relatively high volume 'production' where there is a lot of similarity between images, but each image still requires specific adjustments?
Photoshop (and I guess also Elements) is designed as an individual image editor. The Adobe equivalent of what you're doing with DPP is Lightroom/Lightroom Classic. It's a blend of what DPP can do, on steroids, combined with certain capabilities that used to only be in the Photoshop realm, such as image masking, some of which is now 'AI' enabled (in order to recognize certain types of subject content).
If you do a lot of people photography and want to apply a whole whack of specific masks to a large set of people photos, Lightroom has you covered. For example, you can have it apply masks specifically for skin adjustment/smoothing, eye brightening, teeth whitening/brightening, clothing color tweaks, select just the hair, etc., etc. And you can have those adjustments applied across all images and LR will identify and adjust the masking area specifically for each person it finds in each image. AFAIK, DPP does not come close to this. But ultimately, it really depends on what *you* need an app to do for you.
If DPP has not strayed much from when I used it 15 years ago, it's great strength was its adherence to Canon's color science.
I think DPP is fantastic for my needs. I don't do photography for a living, so I don't have the time pressure to get files out on a deadline, or need a mechanized process to churn through thousands of files in a uniform manner.
I love the fact I can open a CRW from my very first DSLR, the original 6MP Digital Rebel or a CR3 from my latest body, an R5. And for the most part, it works the same.
My workflow is fairly simple:
1. I copy all the folders from cards manually into a main project folder, each card with its own folder underneath. This is one of the big things about DPP I like: It works over top of a manual filesystem. No image database overhead, no renaming of files into incoherent messes, it's easy to archive later to a removable disk.
2. I select all the images in a card folder and open to Quick Check mode and Check Mark tag then with a 1 (for no composition changes), 2 (needs cropping or rotation) and 3 (delete, due to focus, shake, etc). Some images which need to be manually edited later, I tag with a 4 (eg two images in a group photo where I need some faces from one and others from the second). These are arbitrary associations for my own use. You can tag images using Option-1, Option-2 etc from the keyboard and move between images with the cursor keys.
3. I go back to the Main Window mode and sort by Check Mark, deleting all the Check Mark 3s, then return to sorting filename. This allows me to find the best image out of a sequence, which is either a Check Mark 1 or 2. If it's a 2, I double click it, and adjust crop, tilt, etc.
The actual "editing" of an image is another great DPP benefit--it's very simplistic. There's not a million variables with thousands of values. You only get a few notches for things like saturation, shadow, highlight etc. I've noticed sometimes coming back to a set of files years later, I edit them the exact same way as a result.
You can batch copy "recipes" from one image to another...which is helpful if it's a sequence of very similar images. This also copies the cropping too.
4. I typically save-render the file immediately out to the main folder. This lets the machine render in the background while I open the next file.
Is this the most efficient way to edit photos? Probably not. But it works for me, the image output quality is quite good, and it's certainly the cheapest. Again, I'd rather be buying new lenses than to be paying Adobe every month. (:
rscheffler wrote:
What types of photos (content) do you regularly edit? Is any of it relatively high volume 'production' where there is a lot of similarity between images, but each image still requires specific adjustments?
Photoshop (and I guess also Elements) is designed as an individual image editor. The Adobe equivalent of what you're doing with DPP is Lightroom/Lightroom Classic. It's a blend of what DPP can do, on steroids, combined with certain capabilities that used to only be in the Photoshop realm, such as image masking, some of which is now 'AI' enabled (in order to recognize certain types of subject content).
If you do a lot of people photography and want to apply a whole whack of specific masks to a large set of people photos, Lightroom has you covered. For example, you can have it apply masks specifically for skin adjustment/smoothing, eye brightening, teeth whitening/brightening, clothing color tweaks, select just the hair, etc., etc. And you can have those adjustments applied across all images and LR will identify and adjust the masking area specifically for each person it finds in each image. AFAIK, DPP does not come close to this. But ultimately, it really depends on what *you* need an app to do for you.
If DPP has not strayed much from when I used it 15 years ago, it's great strength was its adherence to Canon's color science....Show more →
I do not do a lot of any kind of processing. My latest was a family event where I had 70 keepers. My complaint about PSE is that I have to:
Open file in ACR.
Make ACR choices.
Save file (which requires 3 clicks)
Repeat. 70 times.
The corresponding process in DPP4:
Open entire folder of photos.
Make DPP choices.
Move to next file.
Repeat.
Batch process all files at once. (Slow, but I don't have to sit at computer while it runs.)
DPP saves me 209 clicks (70x3-1) just to save the edits. DPP requires 1 click.
PSE I have to repeatedly go back to the folder and open the next file.
DPP opens however many files I tell it to. [ctrl-a, OPEN].
I understand LR is a better choice. I used LR6 (stand alone) for years. This year I bought a new computer. Not sure exactly why, but I could not reload LR6 onto the new computer (it is a 64-bit version of WIN11). Some warnings said, "This version no longer supported." or some such crap. SUPPORTED MY ASS! I PAID FOR THIS! They did kindly offer to sell me new software, for a montly or yearly fee. FOAD! By the way, my copy of PSE 2021 re-installed just fine. How long do I have until Adobe sees fit to stop supporting that, and attempts to coerce me into renting something else I've already paid for? I'm pretty sure I am not the only person to quit Adobe over their rental policy. I am equally sure they don't give a frog's fattass.
Yes, you will be required to enter your Camera Serial number, and it's best to use the serial number of your newest Canon Camera.
My adult grand daughter and I both use this Canon Software, as it is a free alternative to paying monthly to Lightroom and Capture 1. You can't do everything, but it will save you a lot of money. I gave her an old T7 that I had and I still have and use my two 77D and one 90D DSLR cameras with the DPP4 software. It offers manual control adjustments to your camera much like Capture 1 and I think Lightroom also offers this, but at a monthly price or big renew price annually. DPP4 is FREE for Canon Camera Owners.
Average Starbucks drink = $5.50/day
LR & PS subscription = $0.33/day
Once we acknowledge the fact that we don't even own our homes after the mortgage is paid off, suddenly renting software for $0.33/day becomes trivial.
Speaking of rented software....
I remember not long ago how we would all get all excited waiting for the latest and greatest software update on the big release day that happened once a year.
Now, I almost cringe every time I open LR or PS because they have yet another update to install where they added even more tools and powerful widgets that'll take me an hour to play with and figure out. Which by that time I'm bored and go to bed without editing any images.
How long new DPP versions will be supported is anyone's guess but a lot of people are using computers that cannot run 11. If the OP is buying a new camera in the future it may be a problem, but current or older Canon bodies should work with DPP 4.20.11.