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OMG!!! OF COURSE!!!!!! Why would he say anything else about China...a place he is getting cheap labor! ... Tim is VERY far from the genus of Steve!



Oct 18, 2025 at 09:49 AM
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I thought this thread was about building lenses, not aircraft. Anyway, it is not a good analogy as there is a huge difference in technology, ability, cost and decades of safety records! Lenses are relatively simple things to make. Having said that, even if China did start building commercial aircraft, who is going to buy them? Most airlines buy from Airbus, Boeing and a few other smaller aircraft makers due to long term deals, and they have safety records that have been earnt over many decades. Those main airlines older aircraft are then sold off to lower end airlines
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I dont know.. is there an ulterior motive?.. not from me.. just hoping Nikon stops cheaping out on things.. I shoot a lot of night sporting events (for a little over 15 years) using the D6 and the Z9 and the same time... I can say from experience the D6 feels solid well built and more reliable all around... Z9...struggles at High ISO...focus is all over the place and just feels like cheap junk in the hand... You can love China all you want but there IS a difference in quality.. plus I am not sure Japan uses forced labor and children do build things..Yeah I know all that is just a rumor.. just look the other way..



Oct 18, 2025 at 10:06 AM
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rand17 wrote:
China is??.. what commercial brand plane is China mass producing??.. I know Boeing, Airbus.. ect.. never heard of a world wide airliner coming from that place... Comac?? what the hell is that? must not be on the world stage


How about just admitting that you don’t know shit about China and calling it a day? It’s all about your pre-conceived ideas, no relationship with reality at all.

Btw the Z9 is manufactured in Thailand, focus is better than that of the excellent D6 I used to own, high ISO image quality is identical if you know how to process your raw files. How about also admitting that you have room for growth in photography also?

Cheers,
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Oct 18, 2025 at 10:56 AM
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rand17 wrote:
Incorrect??.. all of what you said basically confirms Quality, Price and Service.. nobody can give all three...


Ok well if that's what you understood from my post and everyone else's well ok bye.



Oct 18, 2025 at 11:52 AM
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bernardl wrote:
How about just admitting that you don’t know shit about China and calling it a day? It’s all about your pre-conceived ideas, no relationship with reality at all.

Btw the Z9 is manufactured in Thailand, focus is better than that of the excellent D6 I used to own, high ISO image quality is identical if you know how to process your raw files. How about also admitting that you have room for growth in photography also?

Cheers,
Bernard



Bernie your attempts to be articulated and well versed fall short... Thats what I do know! and YES I am well aware where the Z9 is made.. says that right on it!! HA! Its crazy how personal everyone takes criticism agains Nikons rush to build cheaper... Almost like frightened children...




Oct 18, 2025 at 01:46 PM
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If the Japanese are not attentive and innovative enough, their photo industry will suffer a similar fate to that of the German photo industry in the 1960s.
Initially, the Japanese mainly copied German manufacturers, but they quickly became more innovative, cheaper, and often better.

For several years, no one noticed, but a powerful photography and optics industry was quietly growing in Japan.
At first, these were copies of foreign cameras, especially German ones. Leica, Contax, and especially Rolleiflex were the most frequently copied cameras. (This was also the case in Germany with Welta, Lipca Rollop, Zeiss Ikoflex, Voigtländer Superb, and others.)

For many years, the Japanese competition was ignored, then smiled at pityingly, until finally, in 1964, Asahi Pentax presented its Spotmatic....
With a few exceptions, such as Leitz, which occupies high-priced niches, not much remained of the German photo industry.
Voigtländer lenses, the oldest German-speaking company active in the photography sector, founded in 1756, the year W.A. Mozart was born, are now manufactured by Cosina/Japan, as are various Zeiss optics.
Great similarities can already be found in the automotive industry, where the Chinese are not only in the fast lane, but are already innovation and technology leaders in many areas.

Japanese photo products, like the first Japanese cars, were ridiculed here for a long time in the early stages.
They also started out by copying, and we have seen how that has developed over the last 50-60 years.
Today, the Japanese photo industry is laughing at the pitiful remains of the German photo industry.

History repeats itself, and pride comes before a fall and I say this as a German citizen.
Or, to quote a Japanese proverb, “From a summit, it's downhill in all directions.”



Oct 18, 2025 at 03:32 PM
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rand17 wrote:
Bernie your attempts to be articulated and well versed fall short... Thats what I do know! and YES I am well aware where the Z9 is made.. says that right on it!! HA! Its crazy how personal everyone takes criticism agains Nikons rush to build cheaper... Almost like frightened children...




Or… we just know that Nikon producing some of their products in China has no negative impact on their quality for the obvious reasons listed by everyone here but… you?

It’s impossible by now to believe that you are trying to engage is a genuine discussion on this. So bye as well.

Cheers,
Bernard



Oct 18, 2025 at 05:45 PM
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The amount of you that can’t recognize a troll is hilarious.


Oct 18, 2025 at 05:53 PM
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@rand17 it is getting annoying how you not read and listen to the arguments that counter your beliefs. China is a country of 1,4 billion people compared to just 340 million in the US. Sure enough do they produced and in some case still produce crappy products but they equally give us products out of the box. All cooled dedicated astro cameras are made in China with Sony sensors (ZWO, Touptek, Player One, QHY, ...). Let us stay in the world of astrophotography. A company like ZWO gave the community products that made our life so much easier and for a very economical price. There is hardly any European or American company that innovate in that market.
Back to Nikon. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. I own 4 Nikon bodies and 9 Z mount Nikon lenses. All these items do have perform to my standards exceptionally well. Some are made in Japan, others in Thailand and in China but you can't see the "made in China" on my photos.
I can't speak for Canon but shot 2 years with Sony but when I read feedback from various users on their brand camera is it hardly about a technical shortcoming but many times on what features they like to see and sometimes on a control issue after a FW update.
Anyway, love it or hate it but many Chinese companies (either Chinese or foreign owned) work according the highest standards and you can doubt on those standards but you need more than just your personal opinion but you need to bring facts to the table on why you believe what you do.

And last, Nikon nearly went under? Give me a break. Nikon is part of the Mitsubishi keiretsu and guess this is new for you are you otherwise would have not made that statement of Nikon nearly going under. Look it up, you might learn a thing or 2 ;-)



Oct 18, 2025 at 06:09 PM
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rand17 wrote:
I dont know.. is there an ulterior motive?.. not from me.. just hoping Nikon stops cheaping out on things.. I shoot a lot of night sporting events (for a little over 15 years) using the D6 and the Z9 and the same time... I can say from experience the D6 feels solid well built and more reliable all around... Z9...struggles at High ISO...focus is all over the place and just feels like cheap junk in the hand... You can love China all you want but there IS a difference in quality.. plus I am not sure Japan uses forced labor
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High ISO issues and AF issues has got absolutely NOTHING to do with the quality of the build of the product, that is a sensor make-up issue. Good high ISO is a function of the sensor's ability and AF is a function of the sensor's ability teamed with Nikon algorithms etc - nothing to do with build quality of where the sensor is made. As for overall build quality, my Z9 and Z8 feel better built and more solid than any previous Nikon DSLR. It would seem your bias is having an effect on your perception of build quality. I will guarantee that Nikon would not be party to forced child labor in China. However, I will also guarantee there are sweat shops in the USA also.

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RoamingScott wrote:
The amount of you that can’t recognize a troll is hilarious.


Yeah! You tell um Roamer!



Oct 18, 2025 at 08:52 PM
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Lance B wrote:
High ISO issues and AF issues has got absolutely NOTHING to do with the quality of the build of the product, that is a Nikon technical expertise issue. Good high ISO is a function of the sensor's ability and AF is a function of the sensor's ability teamed with Nikon algorithms etc - nothing to do with build quality of where the sensor is made. As for overall build quality, my Z9 and Z8 feel better built and more solid than any previous Nikon DSLR. It would seem your bias is having an effect on your perception of build
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I like your guarantees!! Well said!



Oct 18, 2025 at 08:55 PM
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Vinnie_VdB wrote:
@rand17@ it is getting annoying how you not read and listen to the arguments that counter your beliefs. China is a country of 1,4 billion people compared to just 340 million in the US. Sure enough do they produced and in some case still produce crappy products but they equally give us products out of the box. All cooled dedicated astro cameras are made in China with Sony sensors (ZWO, Touptek, Player One, QHY, ...). Let us stay in the world of astrophotography. A company like ZWO gave the community products that made our life so much easier and for
...Show more

Yep! do your homework son...their camera division WAS in trouble! Hence the rush to build cheaper..



Oct 18, 2025 at 08:58 PM
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Does anyone know if Nikon has the same standards as Canon, As this video below depicts since Nikon fled to China??

VIDEO


Likely even better standards.

Have you seen the R5 & R6 hotshoes fall off?

I edit Nikon, Canon, and Sony files (sometimes I do work where the other photographers shoot other brands). There's no perceivable inferiority to the Nikon lenses/bodies, etc. at all.

It's clickbait from Fro the troll.



Oct 18, 2025 at 09:13 PM
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MazeRunner wrote:
Likely even better standards.

Have you seen the R5 & R6 hotshoes fall off?

I edit Nikon, Canon, and Sony files (sometimes I do work where the other photographers shoot other brands). There's no perceivable inferiority to the Nikon lenses/bodies, etc. at all.

It's clickbait from Fro the troll.


Thank you Maze that's what I was wondering!..



Oct 19, 2025 at 08:20 AM
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rand17 wrote:
Does anyone know if Nikon has the same standards as Canon, As this video below depicts since Nikon fled to China??



As I've read through page one of this thread, it looks to me like you are looking for a reason to not buy Nikon cameras. Years ago, people chose Leica and Zeiss lenses for their cameras because they didn't want Japanese optics. These optics were perceived to be of lesser quality and lesser standards than the hang-ground German ones. Then companies like Canon and Nikon began to produce optics that were as innovative if not better than the German ones... What followed was Zeiss moving a factory to Japan under the umbrella of Kyocera/Yashica, and Genuine Zeiss optics were produced for the high lauded Contax system.

Enter today, Nikon is profitable... not because of China, but because they have a compelling line of professional and amateur cameras and lenses that are produced throughout Asia. Some of Nikon's keynote optics like the PF series of telephotos are produced in Chinese factories, some of the f2.8 S-Line zooms are produced in Thailand, and some of the TC included telephotos are made in Japan. Yet, nobody gives a CR@P about where the production occurs when the lenses deliver the way these lenses do.

I shoot in the frigid (sub-zero F temperatures), the snow, the rain, and from ocean watercraft. I use Japanese-made, Thailand-made, and Chinese-made lenses from all of the later without protecting the lenses from the elements. I am pretty certain that none of the current German-made optics could withstand the conditions I expose my gear to.

If you don't want to buy Chinese assembled lenses, buy a Sony, a Canon, a Leica, or... whatever makes you happy, but I think you are spending energy looking for a problem that doesn't exist.

cheers,
bruce



Oct 19, 2025 at 09:45 AM
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Bruce your on to some thing... NO I really like Nikon for over 30 years now!.. I guess I am holding on to hope Nikon gets back to Japan and not put cost cutting ahead of Quality.. very simple..I do care and can tell the difference... but some here take it like I'm insulting their children and feel they need to be all articulated looking up words in the thesaurus to appear intelligent!...

And YES Fro is a sell out and self-centered POS... even F-ed over his long time friend and partner Greg years ago!



Oct 19, 2025 at 10:48 AM
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rand17 wrote:
Thank you Maze that's what I was wondering!..


Go look through the Nikon photo threads, and then through the Canon or Sony threads.

If you're looking at the very best of each, you'll be hard pressed to point out any difference in quality if you could even FIND it.



Oct 19, 2025 at 04:05 PM
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rand17 wrote:
very simple..I do care and can tell the difference...


How? Please give us concrete details about how you can tell the difference.

What China manufactured lens do you actually own?

Cheers,
Bernard




Oct 19, 2025 at 05:18 PM
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bernardl wrote:
How? Please give us concrete details about how you can tell the difference.

What China manufactured lens do you actually own?

Cheers,
Bernard



No Berni... I already know your bias... need an open mind for this one..I say D6 and 400 FL and be there..deadly combo..



Oct 19, 2025 at 07:29 PM
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