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I think it's the eyes and pace of movement. Taking the scene in rather than just buzzing through it to get somewhere.



It may also have something to do with the fact that visiting photographers are usually festooned with needlessly ponderous equipment, pointing lenses at subjects locals would not consider interesting enough to be in a photograph (e.g., street art, homeless people). I live in LA and that's a surefire tell for out-of-towners - pedestrians in hiking-type gear with a bag or backpack, camera with a big lens, and wandering the crowds in Hollywood or Rodeo drive (where relatively few locals visit at all, let alone with cameras in tow). The funniest ones also have a tripod attached to their backpack.



Oct 22, 2025 at 03:12 PM
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Here in Europe, there is even a dedicated subforum about theft. I don’t want to worry you, but there are more than 40 pages, and they’re not just discussions – they contain active reports.
https://www.dslr-forum.de/forums/gestohlen-verloren-gefunden.160/

And that’s only the tip of the iceberg. Of course, as long as it hasn’t happened to you personally, the topic feels very distant.

That’s why I insured my equipment. It makes traveling more relaxed, even though it would still be really frustrating if it got stolen. My mood would definitely be ruined anyway.

And here’s a practical tip I rarely see mentioned: secure your zippers with small mini carabiners. This way they can’t be opened without using both hands and some fiddling. It helps a lot. Also, always wear your backpack with both straps and don’t let it hang loosely over one shoulder. In high-risk areas, it’s better to wear it in front of your body.
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Oct 23, 2025 at 03:31 AM
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^^^

A few comments on the above post.

There are parts of it that I agree with: This isn’t just about “international” (read “cities I trave to”) locations. While it isn’t generally a major issue in most places, it is an issue everywhere to some extent. It is especially an issue if you are a traveler and not a local, since you are more likely to be carrying stuff that is interesting to theives, and less aware of the nuances of your surroundings.

I also agree that one should not become paranoid about this stuff. The first time I traveled internationally
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I actually carry my gear mostly locally. And locally nowadays is one of those scary European cities much of the time...

Before, it was NYC.



Oct 23, 2025 at 03:38 AM
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I travelled in Italy, Switzerland, France and Italy with my camera gear.

I usually keep my equipment in bags that look like regular ones with inserts. I did not work on editing my pictures and videos on my MacBook Pro in trains during traveling between countries. Only in hotels.

I tried not to stand out as a naive traveler. Always kept my bag close to me and made sure that when a crowd gathered around me, to move away from there. This is especially true in Italy which is notorious for pickpockets and camera thefts.

There were people who told me which areas in cities like Milan were especially notorious for this.

Be especially vigilant in very busy areas. Try not to look like you are carrying expensive gear.
I also only took with me just one camera and lens in a non photography back for a day’s shooting, knowing exactly what I needed.
The rest stayed in the hotel room (usually a very reputed hotel).

So, I had no issues just using comon sense.



Oct 23, 2025 at 10:19 AM
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Thieves are indeed a problem, but having said that, I have traveled a lot within the US and many times in Europe without having anything stolen. In addition to the great advice offered already, be aware of people who are trying to divert your attention or who are trying to get you to use your hands, such as signing a petition.

One time my husband and I were targeted by a group of three older normal-looking women near a little pond in Geneva. It was a quiet spot with few people around. One woman was feeding bread to geese and
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I think that is good advice. Someone we know very well (we stay with them when we visit Germany) has lived and worked in Europe for decades. He’s about as seasoned a traveler as there is and he typically blends in very well. (He speaks multiple languages well and get get by in a couple others.)

He got hit on an escalator in Paris by people using one of those “distraction” ploys… and he had let down his guard and left some important documents in a part of his luggage that was too accessible.

As I’ve said before, I’m very much not a paranoid traveler. But any time I encounter anything that looks remotely like one of the distraction schemes I go on alert — for myself and my wife. I’d even take the risk of seeming slightly rude and walking away from someone in those cases.

And, again, this is really pretty similar to how you’d behave in such locations in your own country, which for me means the United States. We love Manhattan and we travel there a lot. When there we walk all over the place and we take the subway. But we do remain aware of our surroundings…

Arka wrote:
It may also have something to do with the fact that visiting photographers are usually festooned with needlessly ponderous equipment, pointing lenses at subjects locals would not consider interesting enough to be in a photograph (e.g., street art, homeless people). I live in LA and that's a surefire tell for out-of-towners - pedestrians in hiking-type gear with a bag or backpack, camera with a big lens, and wandering the crowds in Hollywood or Rodeo drive (where relatively few locals visit at all, let alone with cameras in tow). The funniest ones also have a tripod attached to their backpack.


Mostly I agree with you. Especially about the needlessly ponderous gear and the clothing.

On the other hand… as a sometimes street photographer I photograph those things (people, street art, and more) right iny m own local neighborhood!

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I travelled in Italy, Switzerland, France and Italy with my camera gear.

I usually keep my equipment in bags that look like regular ones with inserts. I did not work on editing my pictures and videos on my MacBook Pro in trains during traveling between countries. Only in hotels.

I tried not to stand out as a naive traveler. Always kept my bag close to me and made sure that when a crowd gathered around me, to move away from there. This is especially true in Italy which is notorious for pickpockets and camera thefts.

There were people who told me which areas
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Great summary. That’s pretty much my approach.

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That’s why I insured my equipment. It makes traveling more relaxed, even though it would still be really frustrating if it got stolen. My mood would definitely be ruined anyway.

And here’s a practical tip I rarely see mentioned: secure your zippers with small mini carabiners. This way they can’t be opened without using both hands and some fiddling. It helps a lot. Also, always wear your backpack with both straps and don’t let it hang loosely over one shoulder. In high-risk areas, it’s better to wear it in front of your body.
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The point about insuring gear is important. IF something happens, you’d want to know that you could quickly replace gear and move forward — regardless of whether you are traveling or at home.

The carabiner idea is worth thinking about. Anything that adds and extra bit of complexity to getting inside your bags is useful. That’s partly the theory behind the security attachments on the PacSafe bags. It isn’t that they are impossible to open, it is just that it is no longer a matter of just sliding a zipper.

If you carry a backpack, whether for photo gear or luggage, you can also buy small locks that secure the zippers. Again, this would not keep a truly determined thief away, but it does mean that you are a less interesting target since getting into your bag requires additional effort.

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Oct 23, 2025 at 01:07 PM
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Have you thought of using both? The backpack could well be the most useful when you are in transit — say on a train or plane, for example. Then when you actually go out on daily adventures you could lighten up and just use the sling, leaving behind gear that you might not need each day. (You can reduce the impact of this on packing but filling up that sling bag with socks and stuff and putting it inside your luggage.)


I thought about both and looked into a few slings or maybe even a messenger bag. Here's where i landed. I scored a Peak Design everyday backpack 20L v1 that's only been used a couple of times for $100.

This will let me carry my gear / headphones / chargers / tripod / ipad on the plane and on inter-country transfers. Tooling around the city, I'll keep the tripod in the bag or just travel very light with one lens.

All my bear is insured with USAA. I'm not taking my 200-600, laptop or anything like that.

Also, i'll be using the carabiner hack to secure zippers and what on on trains. My wife and I have traveled from key west to the arctic circle (and every state in between), as well as in mexico, Canada, and even Jerusalem and various parts of the west bank. I know at least know how not to walk like an apprehensive tourist. I don't think i'll fool anyone into thinking i'm a local, but I should blend.

Thank you again everyone! I'll post an update after I get back for anyone who might find this thread handy in the future.

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I thought about both and looked into a few slings or maybe even a messenger back. Here's where i landed. I scored a Peak Design everyday backpack v1 that's only been used a couple of times for $100.

This will let me carry my gear / headphones / chargers / tripod / ipad on the plane and on inter-country transfers. Tooling around the city, I'll keep the tripod in the bag or just travel very light with one lens.

All my bear is insured with USAA. I'm not taking my 200-600, laptop or anything like that.

Also, i'll be using the
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Your disguise will be blown right when you take your camera out. I personally always have my camera on my wrist when I walk the streets. Just be aware of those around you.



Oct 24, 2025 at 07:44 PM
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MaluxPhoto wrote:
I don't think i'll fool anyone into thinking i'm a local...


It is rare, but fun when it happens.

I've long marveled at how quickly and consistently people figure out we are from somewhere else. I've learned more about th cues over the year, and we unavoidably present a few of them. (Brands of clothing and gear, type of hat, shoes, other more subtle things.)

As I wrote earlier in the thread, I think that the differences used to be more obvious, but that the internationalization of culture has blurred things a bit more. (Walk down a street in lots of places in Europe, and not just tourist areas, and you see a lot of English and you see familiar international brands.)

I remember the first time, back in the day, when I was mistaken for an actual local. It was in Munich, and we had sat down in a little coffee shop/bakery when the server came over to order and immediately did so auf Deutsch. I have a few words and phrases in German but I'm far, far form proficient... and she quickly realized that we were Americans.

I had a funnier experience in Vienna. Some costumed street vendor came up to me and started to give his spiel in German. I tried to answer in my (very) halting German and he replied along the lines of, "Oh, you are from the Netherlands." Nope.

Fun stuff, and part of what I like about travel. :-)

And... sounds like you've worked out a plan that you'll be comfortable with, Enjoy your travels!



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I had a friend that carried his expensive gear in a plastic grocery bag. Would be great if there was a nylon bag that could be made to look like a cheap grocery bag with velco and padded liner in it and hide a carry strap so that you don't have to hand carry it all the time. Stealthy grocery bag carry that's not as noisy crinkly.


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I had a friend that carried his expensive gear in a plastic grocery bag. Would be great if there was a nylon bag that could be made to look like a cheap grocery bag with velco and padded liner in it and hide a carry strap so that you don't have to hand carry it all the time. Stealthy grocery bag carry that's not as noisy crinkly.


Why would we want to do that? I have traveled for over 50 years and never had anything stolen just by being reasonably discreet and attempting to blend into my surrounding as much as reasonable.




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If I am only taking one lens with my Leica M, I use this nasty, faded Pentax branded camera pouch bag that was given ‘free’ with the P30 back in the 2000s.
Works great - as good as any of my fancy ones - but looks like you could catch ebola off it so…



Nov 12, 2025 at 10:13 PM
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Edwood wrote:
I had a friend that carried his expensive gear in a plastic grocery bag. Would be great if there was a nylon bag that could be made to look like a cheap grocery bag with velco and padded liner in it and hide a carry strap so that you don't have to hand carry it all the time. Stealthy grocery bag carry that's not as noisy crinkly.


Well, it's maybe not quite what you're looking for, but it is a stealth bag disguised as a cheap plastic grocery bag. No padding though: The Bodega Resupply Bag by Allmansright Ultralight Gear Lab

https://www.carryology.com/liking/editors-choice-products-of-2024/

Not sure if it's actually available as the Allmansright site is 'under construction.'



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It is rare, but fun when it happens.

I've long marveled at how quickly and consistently people figure out we are from somewhere else. I've learned more about th cues over the year, and we unavoidably present a few of them. (Brands of clothing and gear, type of hat, shoes, other more subtle things.)

As I wrote earlier in the thread, I think that the differences used to be more obvious, but that the internationalization of culture has blurred things a bit more. (Walk down a street in lots of places in Europe, and not just tourist areas, and you see
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I've been asked for directions in so many places where I traveled myself, sometimes on the same day that I arrived.

My family says I have an attitude that looks like I belong wherever I go (this only goes so far, of course, but I do carry very little and I wear the same clothes wherever I am, basically jeans and shorts (except in the Middle East) and some kind of shirt and inconspicuous jacket. I don't wear 'travel' clothes or shoes and never a backpack.

Last time I was in Spain shooting an event, a lot of people came up to me asking when the parade would come through. Turns out, we were all in the wrong place (thanks to faulty city info), and I was as clueless as everyone else.

At the same time, here in Vienna, where I now live, I've also been asked regularly if I'm interested in a concert, in English, which increasingly pisses me off. I actually do speak German, even though I am for the Netherlands...

I do wonder how I'm going to fare as I get older and grayer and whether my otherwise unintended swagger will keep me safe.



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I recently got back from a 2 week trip to Spain. This trip was a bit different for me because I was with my elderly parents, and I took my "decent kit" (Canon R6II with RF 16-28mm f2.8, RF 24-240, and R7 with Tamron 11-20mm f2.8 as backup) i stead of my usual "travel kit" (Sony A7c with Tamron 17-28mm f2.8 and Tamron 28-200mm plus OM-5 as backup).

Because of the weight/bulk of my Canon gear, I carried everything in my ThinkTank DarkLight 20L. I found the whole setup (including the backpack) very heavy and cumbersome, but I carried that fully loaded backpack everywhere and every day for those two weeks. Walking through small, crowded streets and eating at most restaurants was a challenge because I kept unintentionally whacking people behind me with my backpack.

Again, I did this only because I needed my best equipment for this particular trip. Otherwise, I would've taken my smaller equipment (A7c, OM-5 and 3 lenses) in a non-descript, non-photography specific backpack.

I normally carry a regular, average, non-photography-specific backpack for two reasons:

1. It's smaller than a dedicated photography backpack, so I can actually fit more things in there.

2. It's much more discreet than a traditional photography backpack, so I don't have to worry about being more of a target for pickpockets/thieves.

Case in point; my brother-in-law went on this trip and took his photography backpack. Within the first 3 hours in Barcelona it was stolen!!! Luckily he was able to catch the thief and get his backpack back.

So yes, there are thieves out there who are targeting tourists with cameras even in "safe" European countries like Spain.

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I've been asked for directions in so many places where I traveled myself, sometimes on the same day that I arrived.

My family says I have an attitude that looks like I belong wherever I go (this only goes so far, of course, but I do carry very little and I wear the same clothes wherever I am, basically jeans and shorts (except in the Middle East) and some kind of shirt and inconspicuous jacket. I don't wear 'travel' clothes or shoes and never a backpack.

Last time I was in Spain shooting an event, a lot of people came up
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That’s fascinating. I would not say that it happens often, but I also get asked for directions when traveling. Like you, I don’t wear “travel clothes” — I wear clothes that are pretty normal. I also never carry a backpack when out and abut in a city, we never travel in groups, and we don’t necessarily stick to tourist areas. (I do carry a “travel pack” instead of a rolling suitcase sometimes when moving between cities on train or plane.)

My other theory, of course, is that the factors that used to distinguish us in a less-connected former world do not do that so much now. I used to be able to rely on various cues to guess where someone might be from — clothing, a way of walking/standing, other aspects of posture and facial expression. But I think that a lot of those differences have become more “flattened out.”




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I have travelled around the world and have been in those major cities and overall, my experiences are quite positive. My only bad experience was in Buenos Aires where a guy almost robbed me, brandishing his gun on his waist. Eventually, he didnt do any bad. Yes, I'm one of those tourists that carries a tripod in a backpack and a very obvious camera bag. I walk very early in the AM with my tripod in my hands. To me, it's a weapon and a deterrent against any guys wanting to rob me. I grew up in a tough country where they will steal even your baseball cap. So, it is inherent that I always stay guarded. Do the obvious things... do not walk in a very crowded environment. I walk with a weird pattern where I increase my pelvic rotation to deter people from reaching for my backpack. Be attentive and aware of your environment. Dress casually. For the most part, they want your wallet rather than your camera. It's harder to sell those nowadays.


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I wouldn't worry too much about this myself. I've taken my SLR around europe in a thinktank shoulder bag for years without any trouble at all. I don't think thieves are all that interested in big camera kits any more. The preferred methods of theft are electric bikes (especially in london), and traditional pickpocketing. A heavy bag full of camera kit is a liability in both cases.

Phone and wallet theft is pretty rife in major european "tourist" cities, and the police seem pretty powerless to do anything about it. So i always keep my wallet in an internal jacket pocket, and i don't walk around with my head down reading my phone. Mostly though, i avoid big cities and that sorts the problem.




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Just returned from a month-long trip to Europe—mostly Italy, Spain, and Portugal—and we came prepared for pickpockets, especially in well-known hotspots like Rome, Venice, and Barcelona. Interestingly, the actual incidents didn’t happen in any of those places.

The first occurred in Manarola, Italy, when someone suddenly blew a whistle after spotting pickpockets operating near us. The second happened in Porto, in the tourist-heavy Ribeira do Porto area, and this time my wife was the target. She felt her backpack zippers being opened in a dense crowd, spun around, and struck the arm of a woman reaching inside. The woman’s partner was using an umbrella as cover. I shouted “Pickpockets!” loud enough to warn others, and the pair quickly scurried off into a nearby side street.

Both incidents had one thing in common: they happened in extremely crowded areas. Fortunately, we kept our valuables in Pacsafe anti-theft sling bags with locks, and my wife’s mini-backpack held nothing of value. The only items we ended up losing during the entire trip were a hat and an umbrella my wife accidentally left on a restaurant chair in Granada—gone when we came back a few hours later. Not a big deal.

As for camera gear, I brought only my Samsung Galaxy S23 with a wrist strap. I knew exactly what I was “giving up” by leaving behind my Canon R5, favorite travel lens, the RF 24–105 and the travel tripod. Yes, I missed these, but honestly, I would have suffered more if I had brought them. In Rome alone we walked 15 miles in a single day, and nearly every place we visited involved climbing steep hills. I ended up losing six pounds by the time we returned. I simply can’t imagine hauling all that luggage, bags, and camera equipment through every stop of our itinerary.

My advice is to pack camera gear sparingly and find the right balance between convenience and image quality. Travel photography is all about finding this balance.




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chez wrote:
I have an old beat up Osprey backpack that I use to carry my gear as well as things like a jacket, sunscreen, water, wallet, passport etc… I have my gear insured which allows me to travel in peace.


what size is this backpack? Does it go under the airline seat in front of you as a “personal item” or in the above bin as a “carry on”? Is there a particular company you recommend for the insurance?

When wife and I traveled to Spain a couple of years ago, at one point I noticed some shady characters following us. I don’t know if this was smart, but I decided to openly photograph them. They apparently didn’t care for that because they disappeared and we never encountered them again.





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goo0h wrote:
what size is this backpack? Does it go under the airline seat in front of you as a “personal item” or in the above bin as a “carry on”? Is there a particular company you recommend for the insurance?

When wife and I traveled to Spain a couple of years ago, at one point I noticed some shady characters following us. I don’t know if this was smart, but I decided to openly photograph them. They apparently didn’t care for that because they disappeared and we never encountered them again.



Those shady characters are few and far between, but they do exist… and remaining aware is a good thing. We travel frequently in Europe and have had virtually no problems, but we did have a near-miss in Venice. We saw what was happening and quickly ditched into a nearby restaurant. Suddenly seemed like a great time for a drink and a snack! (I’m not sure if openly taking pictures of them was a good idea, but if it worked for you…)

One challenge with non-photography backpacks for travel is that it is hard to find one with enough capacity that fits within the under-seat size limits on airlines. Most of them are too tall. I finally did find one that is only marginally out of spec, and I can scrunch the bag a little to make it fit if challenged.

We carry larger Osprey “Porter” packs for our main luggage, and they go in the overhead bin. (My strategy is usually to use a carry-on backpack for luggage which goes in the overhead, and then have some kind of shoulder bag for camera and some other stuff that fits under the seat.)



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