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p.2 #1 · HEIC Files, Pro / Con ...


I would just record RAW to both internal SSD and CFe. If you really need to turnaround images fast for an event, you could extract the embedded jpeg out of the RAW file, downsize/oversample and deliver it. I doubt your recipients would need 100MP files, so whatever jpeg jaggies are present in the highly compressed preview image would get smoothed out through oversampling down to a more easily digestible resolution.

But this assumes the Hassy's RAWs have decently sized embedded previews. Not all brands/cameras do, so something to check.

For this reason I stopped shooting RAW+jpeg with my Canon gear ages ago and do occasionally extract the jpeg preview out of RAWs for quick edits. At least from my perspective, I'd be pissed if I lost the RAWs from a set of images and had to work from jpeg or HEIC/HEIF. Also one less variable to keep track of with loose memory cards when they all contain RAW.



Oct 07, 2025 at 02:33 PM
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p.2 #2 · HEIC Files, Pro / Con ...


RustyBug wrote:
https://www.hasselblad.com/x-system/x2d-100c/

Just thinking to setup for RAW to the SSD and HEIC to the CFe.
Historically, I've set up RAW to SD1 and JPG to SD2 on other cameras with dual storage slots.

But, being unfamiliar with HEIC, I wanted to cross-check what other users experiences were with HEIC files ... relative to either RAW or JPG perspectives. I could still do RAW + JPG, of course.

Alternatively, I could save both to ssd AND both to CFe, but I prefer to have them separated. So, that puts me back to the choice of RAW > SSD + HEIC / JPG >
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I haven't really followed Hasselblad since the Chinese drones takeover. In any event if necessary I would choose writing RAW to both internal and CFe target. I don't like internal SSDs unless they are relatively easy to remove. Otherwise they are an extra security and reliability risk. One can convert files to jpeg or HIEC later.

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Oct 07, 2025 at 02:43 PM
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p.2 #3 · HEIC Files, Pro / Con ...


FWIW, I always shoot raw and I mirror the raw files to the second card. Post-processing is an integral part of my workflow, so I want the work with the full original capture data, not the limited data in jpg files.

As to HEIC files, right now they are kind of problematic, and you’ll often need to convert them to jpg or png to share them. IN the future that could change, but for now…

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To correct something posted earlier in this thread…

RAW is typically _less_ sharp than jpg, since jpg files are sharpened in camera while raw files are not.

I think that the main advantage of raw files are:

1. They contain the fill original image capture data. (jpg files toss out a lot of it.)

2. Raw files hold enough dynamic range information taht you can make substantial changes in post to deal with things like overly dark shadows and similar. You can get away with pushing a perfect in=camera jpg a little but, but it is quite limited.

If in-camera jpgs work for you, fine. If you want the maximum original image data to work with it post, then shoot raw.



Oct 07, 2025 at 11:12 PM
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p.2 #4 · HEIC Files, Pro / Con ...


I am with Dan on this RAW for both the main and backup files. I think with current large and fast storage capacity in cameras there is no reason to use a lossy compressed file format. That is a remnant of older digital days. To me it seems the primary reason to have the redundant smaller in camera processed files is for instant distribution like one would have at news, sporting, wedding style events. If all you want is the security of redundancy then all RAW is best.



Oct 07, 2025 at 11:57 PM
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1bwana1 wrote:
I am with Dan on this RAW for both the main and backup files. I think with current large and fast storage capacity in cameras there is no reason to use a lossy compressed file format. That is a remnant of older digital days. To me it seems the primary reason to have the redundant smaller in camera processed files is for instant distribution like one would have at news, sporting, wedding style events. If all you want is the security of redundancy then all RAW is best.


+1 that instant distribution availability is part of the reason for RAW + non-RAW. It sounds like no one here has any actual experience using HEIC files (as it pertains to any actual pro / con) vs. JPG, regarding the applicability differences with the HEIC in the Hassy. Sounds like I'll just have to do some experimentation with the Hassy system Phocus and see how well the HEIC files play vs. the jpg files for field processing / distribution.

I understand the diff's of what RAW offers when I get back back home. I've been processing RAW files for a long while. But, with the prospect of 200MB files ... field processing / transfer might benefit from the smaller file sizes. To that end, I was also looking for any actual user experience with HEIC files, etc. I certainly appreciate the input / perspective from all our members, but (unless I missed it), no one indicated they have ever actually used HEIC files to speak to the diff's / pro / con that they experienced. So far, it's been 100% non-use perspective. Sounds like I'll just have to forge my own way on this one to understand the diff's it may / may not offer (and thus understand, when it may be useful).

Curious then, if anyone has a notion of WHEN using HEIC would be a useful application, even as folks have indicated they currently don't see it as being their preferred choice.



Oct 08, 2025 at 02:09 AM
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I did experiment using HEIC a few years ago. But found that the very limited compatability made it unsuitable for distribution. The files needed to be be converted to jpeg just like a RAW file to distribute. Although better to process than jpeg HEIC is still meaningfully worse than RAW in processing. So I found it to not be an advantage for me. Sort of a stuck in the middle format not best for any use case.


Oct 08, 2025 at 05:50 AM
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RustyBug wrote:
+1 that instant distribution availability is part of the reason for RAW + non-RAW. It sounds like no one here has any actual experience using HEIC files (as it pertains to any actual pro / con) vs. JPG, regarding the applicability differences with the HEIC in the Hassy. Sounds like I'll just have to do some experimentation with the Hassy system Phocus and see how well the HEIC files play vs. the jpg files for field processing / distribution.

I understand the diff's of what RAW offers when I get back back home. I've been processing RAW files for a long
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I did a lot of work with Sony HEIF files (10-bit 4:2:2) to include editing. BTW, I think Hasselblad files might be HEIF too, not HEIC.

From what I understand HEIF is the format, and HEIC is the container and file type that holds the HEIF-formatted images. HEIC is primarily used by Apple. Apple does not own the rights to HEIF.

Anyway, there are now a few apps that can view and edit HEIF files to include Adobe. Also even though the HEIF compression results in substantially smaller file, there is still data to work with and edit (similar to JPG limitations) which is nice.

HEIF can be a higher quality file compared to the old 8-bit JPG format, but as everyone has already mentioned lack of compatibility is the rub and why in 2025 the very old JPG still rules as it is a long standing ubiquitous format compatible everywhere.

If I could post HEIF files on photography forms, websites, Flickr etc., I would switch over to HEIF and stop using the old JPG format.



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RustyBug wrote:
+1 that instant distribution availability is part of the reason for RAW + non-RAW. It sounds like no one here has any actual experience using HEIC files (as it pertains to any actual pro / con) vs. JPG, regarding the applicability differences with the HEIC in the Hassy. Sounds like I'll just have to do some experimentation with the Hassy system Phocus and see how well the HEIC files play vs. the jpg files for field processing / distribution.

I understand the diff's of what RAW offers when I get back back home. I've been processing RAW files for a long
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Since your camera's HEIF format has a 10-bit depth, and this format is less sensitive to artifact creation in post-processing, my notion of when it could be helpful is if you can use HEIF as a substitute for raw files. That might be reasonable if the images you take do not need to pull details out of deep shadows or highlights, and you are not doing extreme post processing that would be more likely to reveal the HEIF artifacts.
You would still have the full resolution of your camera, for luminosity and color resolution are not noticeable by the eye.
As with raw, after post-processing, you convert to a ubiquitous format, such as JPEG. You can achieve the same result by post-processing HEIF files and converting them to JPEG for distribution.
My only caveat would be to verify that your camera is saving at 10, 10, 10-bit depth on all three color channels and that the compression is set to 4:2:2, where the color components are grouped at half resolution in both the X and Y dimensions.
You could give this approach a try, and if you are happy with the vast majority of your images, then you would be good to go. You could always keep the raws in the interim in case you come across an image that needs the extra bit depth of raw.

I have compared 10-bit HEIF/HEIC files with JPEG images to assess their sensitivity to artifacts introduced during post-processing, and the 10-bit HEIF/HEIC files are significantly less sensitive than JPEGs.

So not an experienced answer by trying this with a high volume of HEIF images, yet that is the approach I would take to self-determine if it would meet my needs. If it does, you would gain the benefits of a lower file size, faster transfers, etc.

Just my own thoughts, of course.
John Wheeler



Oct 08, 2025 at 12:10 PM
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p.2 #9 · HEIC Files, Pro / Con ...


John Wheeler wrote:
Since your camera's HEIF format has a 10-bit depth, and this format is less sensitive to artifact creation in post-processing, my notion of when it could be helpful is if you can use HEIF as a substitute for raw files. That might be reasonable if the images you take do not need to pull details out of deep shadows or highlights, and you are not doing extreme post processing that would be more likely to reveal the HEIF artifacts.
You would still have the full resolution of your camera, for luminosity and color resolution are not noticeable by the eye.
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The 10-bit vs 8-bit difference is technically true, but in practice, my tests show there's no comparison between HEIC and RAW when it comes to highlight recovery. It's also worth noting that RAW files store 12- to 16-bit data, depending on the camera and processing, which gives them far greater tonal depth and flexibility.

RAW files are far more malleable because they store unprocessed sensor data, including the full dynamic range captured in the green channel, where most highlight detail resides. HEIC and JPEG, on the other hand, are processed formats with baked-in tone curves and color adjustments, which clip or compress that highlight information. So yes, HEIC is definitely better than JPEG. It uses more efficient compression, shows less banding, and preserves higher dynamic range, but it's still nowhere near the flexibility of a true RAW file.



Oct 08, 2025 at 01:10 PM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
The 10-bit vs 8-bit difference is technically true, but in practice, my tests show there's no comparison between HEIC and RAW when it comes to highlight recovery. It's also worth noting that RAW files store 12- to 16-bit data, depending on the camera and processing, which gives them far greater tonal depth and flexibility.

RAW files are far more malleable because they store unprocessed sensor data, including the full dynamic range captured in the green channel, where most highlight detail resides. HEIC and JPEG, on the other hand, are processed formats with baked-in tone curves and color adjustments, which clip
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No argument about the value of raw files, and I personally would not use HEIF files as a substitute, yet I also don't presume what issues the OP is trying to solve, given the 200 MB raw files

I was specifically answering the one question given in the prior post:

Curious then, if anyone has a notion of WHEN using HEIC would be a useful application, even as folks have indicated they currently don't see it as being their preferred choice.

And I shared my notion and how the OP could determine if it met their needs, which would be, of course, foregoing the more extensive flexibility of the raw file. I leave that determination up to the OP.

John Wheeler



Oct 08, 2025 at 01:28 PM
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p.2 #11 · HEIC Files, Pro / Con ...


RustyBug wrote:
Curious then, if anyone has a notion of WHEN using HEIC would be a useful application, even as folks have indicated they currently don't see it as being their preferred choice.


Here are a couple scenarios that come to mind, but not from first-hand experience:

1) The desire to benefit from the better compression of HEIC/HEIF that results in files requiring less storage space than if saved as jpegs of similar image quality (with respect to compression artifacts). And this could benefit you for fast turnaround because the HEIC/HEIF files would transfer faster because they're smaller (more compressed).

2) If the end use can benefit from 10 bit 'HDR' display. For example, my Canon cameras can save files as HEIC/HEIF but you have to turn on 'HDR shooting (PQ)'. I have not looked into this very deeply but my understanding is that the images have the 'PQ' gamma curve applied to them for display on HDR PQ compatible devices. My reading on this is that at least this implementation of HEIC/HEIF is aimed at specific display scenarios and is tied to video content creation. Here at least the SOOC Canon files can be immediately delivered for this type of use. But the files may not display optimally on non HDR PQ compatible devices. I think this application is less relevant for stills because you can process and retain a wider dynamic range with RAW files and export those as needed depending on the end use, presumably including for HDR displays. But that assumes you have time to process the RAW files.

Here's some info about it from Canon: https://en.canon-cna.com/get-inspired/tips-and-techniques/hdr-pq/

With regard to #1 above and your desire for 'immediate' distribution, while the HEIC/HEIF files may transfer off the card faster than comparable quality jpeg files due to their small compressed size, you will still have to do at least one processing step to convert them to jpeg for maximum end user compatibility. The benefit of RAW+jpeg here would be that you could send those jpeg files as-is. In your situation I would still lean towards mirroring RAW on both internal storage and memory card, and as previously suggested, extract the jpeg previews from the RAWs for immediate distribution. My reason for this is so that I have at least two copies of the RAW files should something happen either to the camera or the memory card.



Oct 08, 2025 at 02:14 PM
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LBJ2 wrote:
Unfortunately, the one big obstacle remains for some time now, HEIC = very limited adoption and compatibility other than Apple devices. Google AI tells me this might be due to "...proprietary technology and patent-licensing issues."


The short answer is that it's not proprietary any more than any coding that has been developed by someone. It's a development by MPEG. It's being used by Apple, Samsung & some other phones, Canon EOS-1D X Mark III EOS R5 EOS R6, Nikon starting with the Z8, Sony α7RV +, Fujifilm (X-T5 + at least 6 models).......... just not as widely as Apple....

The issue is that anytime you try to make a new "standard" it disrupts the current standard and no one wants to make a change until they see that it might last................. until the next standard. It's been out for over 8 years now and still floundering.



Oct 08, 2025 at 05:27 PM
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p.2 #13 · HEIC Files, Pro / Con ...


Okay guys, lots better insight to digest ... thx.

While not responding to all the different points made, I will point out that the matter of highlight recovery likely isn't a priority for me. That contrasted with artifact generation being better than jpg.

Again, I'll have to play, but that gives me a better understanding of potential pro / con going in.

Thanks, again for all the contributions.



Oct 08, 2025 at 08:04 PM
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p.2 #14 · HEIC Files, Pro / Con ...


1bwana1 wrote:
Although far superior than JPEG, unless Apple opens the HEIC format I don't see it as a viable option to JPEG.


The Motion Picture Experts Group (MPEG) owns the patent, not Apple. Also, not sure if many know this, in addition to HEIF/HEIC, Apple supports JPEG_XL too.



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