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p.3 #1 · Fuji for landscape


Well about 102MP Medium format and the “necessity” to print very large in order to see differences between those files and printed images from smaller sensor cameras:
Depending on how far you crop, the printed images can hold their quality longer on any print size and so also in smaller prints. Simply because there are so many pixels to play with. So, you can crop more without loss of quality.
And that’s even apart from the malleability of those MF files.



Sep 27, 2025 at 08:15 AM
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SGinNorcal wrote:
Really? I think most people that manage to walk upright and breath realize an opinion when the hear one. Especially on the internet.


You’d be surprised…

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Mujabad123 wrote:
Well about 102MP Medium format and the “necessity” to print very large in order to see differences between those files and printed images from smaller sensor cameras:
Depending on how far you crop, the printed images can hold their quality longer on any print size and so also in smaller prints. Simply because there are so many pixels to play with. So, you can crop more without loss of quality.
And that’s even apart from the malleability of those MF files.


If your style regularly depends on using the wrong focal length and then cropping extensively in post, then I suppose this makes sense.

On the other hand, if you find that you are typically using the wrong focal length and then radically cropping…

… perhaps a smaller format with the right focal length lens would make more sense?



Sep 27, 2025 at 10:19 AM
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p.3 #3 · Fuji for landscape


Well, it sounds like I hear Jim Kasson here, but with (only) the 20-35mm and the 110mm here and with all the travel I do, I’m not always in a position to change lenses. And if so, not always in a position to shoot the subject exactly the way I want. I don’t shoot landscapes or static subjects only. Glad I can crop the way I want to. if necessary.
Edit: I do have a second camera, but less capable. Still a wonderful camera though…Sigma DP3M.



Sep 27, 2025 at 10:48 AM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
You’d be surprised…

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If your style regularly depends on using the wrong focal length and then cropping extensively in post, then I suppose this makes sense.

On the other hand, if you find that you are typically using the wrong focal length and then radically cropping…

… perhaps a smaller format with the right focal length lens would make more sense?


I think like you have been arguing, it does depend on the individual situation. Let's say someone has a GF system with the 20-35, the 55mm, the 110mm, and the 250mm lenses. For such a person they could easily cover all the focal lengths between 10mm and 350mm on Fuji X mount just by using the GF system and cropping and they wouldn't be using a smaller sensor size than Fuji X mount. For such a person, buying a whole new system just to use a smaller sensor with the "right" focal length might not make sense. They could get the same performance or very similar performance with their current system and the 4 GF lenses they already have.



Sep 27, 2025 at 12:15 PM
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@steve. Correct. And have the advantage of those lenses and the full MF sensor when not cropping at all.


Sep 27, 2025 at 01:26 PM
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Mujabad123 wrote:
Well, it sounds like I hear Jim Kasson here, but with (only) the 20-35mm and the 110mm here and with all the travel I do, I’m not always in a position to change lenses. And if so, not always in a position to shoot the subject exactly the way I want. I don’t shoot landscapes or static subjects only. Glad I can crop the way I want to. if necessary.
Edit: I do have a second camera, but less capable. Still a wonderful camera though…Sigma DP3M.


You are, of course,, welcome to make any personal gear decision you want.

However, in a general sense, and expanding on my previous point about cropping versus using the right lenses…

Given the weight and bulk of the GFX system and lenses, and the inflexibility of relying on only two prime lenses for “travel” photography, there’s a very good argument that it would make far more sense for most people to rely on a much lighter and smaller camera (whether that is a Fujifilm APS-C camera or something like a high resolution Sony FF camera) with smaller and more flexible lenses.

For example, using a high-resolution FF system one could carry something along the lines of a 16-35mm f/4 plus an 85mm prime or even a 70-200mm f/4 zoom and get excellent image quality — suitable for producing excellent prints at a 30” x 45” size and potentially a bit larger.

I’ll presume — correct me if I’m wrong — that when you are traveling with your minimal GFX kit that you are perhaps not using a tripod? If so, the improvement from a 100MP sensor over a 60MP sensor is even less relevant since, even with IBIS, you are not getting the best camera stability that is possible.

And if one is generally shooting handheld and not printing at hugh 30” x 45” sizes and larger, the small lenses and cameras of the Fujifilm APS-C system could be the best option of all. (I’ll tip my hat here to those who point out that it is possible to create a very small and light Sony FF system, too, especially if one’s shooting style is congruent with things like AF-only lenses.)

That big GFX system with one narrow range wide-angle zoom and one (roughly) portrait length prime could make sense if a) those focal lengths are right for you, and b) you are shooting in a manner that maximizes the potential image sharpness — e.g. using a tripod, c) your subjects are amenable to the GFX shooting style (landscapes, for example), and c)you are regularly making some very large prints.

(BTW: While you can crop a bit more from a 100MP full frame image, if you do the math you’ll see that the cropping advantage over FF isn’t really all that great.)

I started out by saying that you are welcome to use any system that you like. But that’s a personal preference matter and not so much one about functional advantages.


Steve Spencer wrote:
I think like you have been arguing, it does depend on the individual situation. Let's say someone has a GF system with the 20-35, the 55mm, the 110mm, and the 250mm lenses. For such a person they could easily cover all the focal lengths between 10mm and 350mm on Fuji X mount just by using the GF system and cropping and they wouldn't be using a smaller sensor size than Fuji X mount. For such a person, buying a whole new system just to use a smaller sensor with the "right" focal length might not make sense. They could
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That is answering the question that no one asked. ;-)



Sep 27, 2025 at 02:38 PM
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You’re right. It is a personal choice. I do carry a tripod whenever possible. Apart from that, I have used Sony FF (A7RIV and A7RII) with a couple of very fine lenses. Also M4/3 before that. At the moment I very much prefer my current setup. For shooting while traveling and also when I’m not.
For me and my usage it’s both functional and a personal preference.



Sep 27, 2025 at 03:26 PM
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Guys, don’t forget stitching!

I stitch with my Nikon and GFX but á dedicated Fuji APS-C stitcher will get way better detail than a lazzy GFX user not bothering to use stitching.

That is truer now than it ever was because we have lighter sturdy stitching kits and PTgui had reached a level of abilities and performance that removes most of the pain in a wider range of situations (PS remains as crappy though).

Frankly any discussion of image quality for landscape that doesn’t have stitching at its core misses the point completely IMHO. It’s like talking about how to go from Australia to London without including flying in the discussion. 😂😂😂

Cheers,
Bernard



Sep 27, 2025 at 04:00 PM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
You are, of course,, welcome to make any personal gear decision you want.

However, in a general sense, and expanding on my previous point about cropping versus using the right lenses…

Given the weight and bulk of the GFX system and lenses, and the inflexibility of relying on only two prime lenses for “travel” photography, there’s a very good argument that it would make far more sense for most people to rely on a much lighter and smaller camera (whether that is a Fujifilm APS-C camera or something like a high resolution Sony FF camera) with smaller and more flexible lenses.

For
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I wasn't trying to answer a question. I was simply pointing out the inconsistency in your arguments. You talk about individual needs and preferences when it matches your individual needs and preferences, but you talk about "right" and "wrong" focal lengths when you challenge other people's preferences. We all do that, so I am not trying to single you out, but I think we all do better when we honor other people's choices rather than suggest they somehow aren't "right."



Sep 27, 2025 at 04:45 PM
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Has anyone used the Tamron 17-70 f/2.8 VC for landscapes on Fuji X mount? I am thinking about a landscape kit that would be the Sigma 10-18 f/2.8, the Tamron 17-70 and the Fuji 70-300 f/4-5.6. Any experiences with any of those lens for landscapes would be much appreciated.


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Steve Spencer wrote:
You talk about individual needs and preferences when it matches your individual needs and preferences, but you talk about "right" and "wrong" focal lengths when you challenge other people's preferences.


Where do I do the latter?

If anything, I do the opposite of what you say here.

In this thread I am discussing “individual needs and preferences” and suggesting that others consider their specific photographic needs and situations when assessing claims of what is “best.” I specifically mentioned three formats and why any of them might turn out to be the “best” in certain situations.

As to “talk(ing) about right and wrong focal lengths when” I “challenge other people's preferences,” I have no idea what you are referring to.



Sep 28, 2025 at 12:11 PM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
Where do I do the latter?

If anything, I do the opposite of what you say here.

In this thread I am discussing “individual needs and preferences” and suggesting that others consider their specific photographic needs and situations when assessing claims of what is “best.” I specifically mentioned three formats and why any of them might turn out to be the “best” in certain situations.

As to “talk(ing) about right and wrong focal lengths when” I “challenge other people's preferences,” I have no idea what you are referring to.


Let's see In the following quotes:

"If your style regularly depends on using the *wrong* focal length"

"a smaller format with the *right* focal length lens"

"expanding on my previous point about cropping versus using the *right* lenses…"

I did add the asterisks to make it clear where you used the terms right and wrong. You would think you could review your own posts for the use of the words right and wrong, but apparently you cannot.







Sep 28, 2025 at 12:42 PM
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Steve Spencer wrote:
Has anyone used the Tamron 17-70 f/2.8 VC for landscapes on Fuji X mount? I am thinking about a landscape kit that would be the Sigma 10-18 f/2.8, the Tamron 17-70 and the Fuji 70-300 f/4-5.6. Any experiences with any of those lens for landscapes would be much appreciated.


I wouldn't normally choose a zoom for work where there is plenty of time to choose viewpoint anf angle of view. Why would you do that? Primes should be better.

Gerry



Sep 28, 2025 at 02:18 PM
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For landscape you’re stopping most lenses down for DoF, and most of the contemporary zooms are basically as good as primes at f5.6 or smaller; the best zooms can be as good as primes from f3.5 and up. The precise framing allowed by zooms at often less than ideal shooting positions makes them more ideal than primes for landscape a lot of the time. At least that’s my experience. YMMV.


Sep 28, 2025 at 03:23 PM
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When I'm using my lightweight setup, X system, I'm on the move, probably hiking. I've already chosen a lens for the overall circumstances I expect to encounter. I have hiking partners and an expectation of how far we will travel that day. I try to quickly frame my shots, take one or maybe a second with a different f-stop, then move on. So nearly everything handheld and quickly composed. The 16-55II works very well for this varied shooting. I'm usually carrying a wider option (8mm or now 12mm Sigma) and a 70-300 telephoto. Those are for a situations special enough to stop and change lenses. This is very different from when I have my Gfx and will stop, position myself, maybe set up tripod, etc. My point is that "Landscape" is just the subject matter. Your setup may vary with your situation.


Sep 28, 2025 at 03:54 PM
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SGinNorcal wrote:
When I'm using my lightweight setup, X system, I'm on the move, probably hiking. I've already chosen a lens for the overall circumstances I expect to encounter. I have hiking partners and an expectation of how far we will travel that day. I try to quickly frame my shots, take one or maybe a second with a different f-stop, then move on. So nearly everything handheld and quickly composed. The 16-55II works very well for this varied shooting. I'm usually carrying a wider option (8mm or now 12mm Sigma) and a 70-300 telephoto. Those are for a situations special enough
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That’s a very fair point yes. Bodies equipped with IBIS have a significant advantage in such situations as they expand significantly the range of lenses that can be used this way and still stopped down to their optimal landscape aperture.

But as far as I am concerned I noticed that I very rarely select keepers among such images captured on the run. So much so that I often end up not taking photographs at all when there isn’t enough time to lay the tripod. This is probably also related to the fact that those on the run opportunities often occur mid day, which is often not the best for grand landscape from a light point of view. Intimate ones works (waterfalls, macro, details,…) but is often better done with a tripod due to light levels and the preferred aperture. So what I would capture on the run ends up having low photographic potential, which ranks those images into the « documentary » category and my iPhone does great for those.

So I end up hiking alone or with patient partners when I anticipe to have photo opportunities along the way.

We all differ don’t we.

Cheers,
Bernard


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Sep 28, 2025 at 04:54 PM
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Jack Flesher wrote:
For landscape you’re stopping most lenses down for DoF, and most of the contemporary zooms are basically as good as primes at f5.6 or smaller; the best zooms can be as good as primes from f3.5 and up. The precise framing allowed by zooms at often less than ideal shooting positions makes them more ideal than primes for landscape a lot of the time. At least that’s my experience. YMMV.


Very good points yes. Some recent zooms, some of the Fuji X zooms or the Nikon 24-120mm f4 S come to mind, indeed offer such an impressive compromise between flexibility and image quality at landscape apertures that they make a very strong case vs primes.

However, having just tested the new Zeiss Otus ML 50mm f1.4 on the Z8, I think that I’ll nonetheless stick to primes for now. The degree of color purity, the micro detail, lack of fringing and of bokeh distractions remains to me too appealing to pass. Especially when combined with a stitching head.

Cheers,
Bernard




Sep 28, 2025 at 05:01 PM
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And I would likely take 1% as many landscape photos were I to be tied to a tripod. I live on the move and am supremely grateful for modern IBIS

Poo-pooing non-tripod or non-stitched landscape photography is asinine. There are fantastic single-frame images to be made, even on the move (but try to stop moving for at least as long as the exposure!).



Sep 28, 2025 at 05:03 PM
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RoamingScott wrote:
And I would likely take 1% as many landscape photos were I to be tied to a tripod. I live on the move and am supremely grateful for modern IBIS

Poo-pooing non-tripod or non-stitched landscape photography is asinine. There are fantastic single-frame images to be made, even on the move (but try to stop moving for at least as long as the exposure!).


I am not poo-pooing such images.

I am saying that:
- I personally have a hard time taking photographs I find great without taking the time. And if I can take the time why not use a tripod and the best possible lens (which can be a prime or a zoom),
- Hoping for great image quality/complaining about the price of medium format digital without considering stitching with more affordable cameras is incoherent.

Apparently that’s too nuanced for you, not my problem.

Cheers,
Bernard



Sep 28, 2025 at 05:14 PM
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bernardl wrote:
We all differ don’t we.

Cheers,
Bernard


Yes, we do. I tried settling for a cell phone and to some degree it works. But then I would come across a epic view where I just couldn't capture the beauty in front of me. The X system compromise of weight to quality work for me and what I do. I do love going to a specific locations with Gfx, assorted lenses, tripod, filters, etc. But with the miles I cover and the places I go with the X, I come across the unexpected and unique view or light or something. Sure sometimes I wish I had my Gfx on me, but I know I can't take it to all of those places. My hiking buddies have grown to appreciate my photos which I share with them. And they know that they don't have to wait for me, I'll catch up quickly.



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