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p.1 #1 · always check used gears carefully when purchasing - an unpleasant experience


Long story short:

I purchased a Leica kit in August 2024 (yes, over a year ago) and never carefully inspected it. Last week, when I finally checked it again, I discovered a massive amount of fungus inside the lens—something the seller never mentioned (otherwise I would never have bought it). After reviewing the original photos the seller sent me, I realized the fungus had already been there at the time of sale.

Longer version:

In August 2024, I ordered a Leica M6 Platinum kit from CameraWest with the money I had saved from my summer internship. This was the second Platinum kit they had received within a week—I had missed the first one. Knowing that I was finding one, the staff contacted me about the second when it came in.

Before the purchase, the store sent me photos and described the kit as condition 8+ (camera + lens + outer box, but missing the wooden presentation box). The photos looked clean and professional, taken against a white background, so I went ahead.

The kit arrived while I was traveling in Oregon, so I only gave it a quick glance before storing it in my cabinet. Since it was meant as a gift to myself for finishing my last PhD summer and PhD—a lifelong keepsake—I never meant to use it and therefore never inspected it again.

Last week, while cleaning and organizing my gear, I opened the box and noticed heavy fungus in the lens (see the “under_flashlight_sept2025” folder: https://tinyurl.com/nzvnwxzs). My first thought was that the fungus must have grown over the past year from scratch, but that didn’t make sense, because I always store my gear in a dry cabinet, and none of my other equipment developed fungus there. So I revisited the original photos the store had sent me (“seller_photos_aug2024” in the same link). On closer inspection, the fungus is clearly visible (see 1663988-00.jpg and 1663988-06.jpg). I cropped and adjusted exposure on a few of them (see edited1–edited3.jpg), and the shapes match perfectly with what I see under the flashlight, especially around the “x” and “1.4” markings.

In other words, the fungus was there all along—it didn’t grow over the past year from nothing.

I contacted the store. To their credit, they agreed to repair it at their cost, though they claimed they could not notice the fungus in the original photos. It is great that they offer help and the solution even after one year. I intend to accept because it was partly my fault for not inspecting the gear properly on arrival, though with the fungus there, the value of the kit should have been valued much lower.

This is a huge lesson learned, and I want to share it here - always check used gears carefully when purchasing.

There’s already a post about this store (https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1893404/0) where someone commented, “They can be sloppy with their descriptions.” I think that’s because they’re a big store handling a lot of stock every day. Still, as buyers—especially when paying premium prices—we should always check used gear carefully as soon as we receive it. I have bought from the camera store multiple times (I even just bought a Hasselblad lens last week from their store), especially after I moved to CA. And I think I will still be buying from them, but I would just be careful next time.


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Sep 08, 2025 at 11:45 AM
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p.1 #2 · always check used gears carefully when purchasing - an unpleasant experience


I second always to inspect photo gear at arrival especially when used. One time I purchased on ebay from a private seller the Canon 50/1.2 LTM lens - it arrived in seemingly nice condition, glass looked good and aperture blade worked correctly. Only when I attached the lens via LTM/M adapter to my digital M camera the same day, I found that I was unable to get any infinity focus even with focus ring at infinity position. I suspected that a lens element inside was reversed to allow for close focusing which worked well. I contacted the seller - turned out he sold two of the same 50/1.2 lenses on behalf of a friend who later confirmed that one copy has a lens element inverted. I sent the lens back and got a full refund.

Next time I tried to purchase this lens from a reputable online used camera gear store. When the lens arrived, the body and glass were in mint condition - but when rotating the aperture ring, I saw that it was decentered and fully open at f/2.8 number and didn't go to f/1.2. Obviously the lens was cleaned but wrongly re-assembled with its aperture ring. Again I sent this lens back and received the full refund. The store was unable to repair this lens and fix the issue - they told me this would be too costly, they rather fully reimbursed me.

After a few years I tried buying this lens a third time again from the same online store I made very good experience in the past buying lenses with only the previous one time hiccup. This time I got a very good copy which I kept and use to this day. Needless to say, I tested the lens the same day it arrived, too.

There is a lot of stuff happening behind the scenes when purchasing older vintage lenses. Some specialize in buying broken lenses for low and re-assemble them from different parts of the same kind of lens to sell for a high uptick. If re-assembled correctly, you might still get lucky even it is not the original as the serial# might indicate. But there is no way you can ever tell. Testing instantly after receiving is critical always with used gear.



Sep 08, 2025 at 12:07 PM
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retrofocus wrote:
I second always to inspect photo gear at arrival especially when used. One time I purchased on ebay from a private seller the Canon 50/1.2 LTM lens - it arrived in seemingly nice condition, glass looked good and aperture blade worked correctly. Only when I attached the lens via LTM/M adapter to my digital M camera the same day, I found that I was unable to get any infinity focus even with focus ring at infinity position. I suspected that a lens element inside was reversed to allow for close focusing which worked well. I contacted the seller - turned
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Wow, that's a crazy experience with trying to obtain a Canon 50/1.2 LTM lens - third times the charm I guess. I probably would have given up thinking that there must be a reason I'm not supposed to have the lens!

A few things I do when purchasing older gear are 1) Make sure the photos are clear, detailed and well exposed. 2) Never purchase gear - particularly lenses - where I can tell that a screw or lens ring has been touched with a tool. I figure if the lens was properly worked on by a professional, there really should not be any indication of slightly deformed screws, etc. which usually result from improper tools being used. Not a 100% guarantee but it does weed out some of the nonsense.



Sep 08, 2025 at 12:23 PM
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p.1 #4 · always check used gears carefully when purchasing - an unpleasant experience


Paranoid of fungus in especially collector items, so always ask for internal bright deep focus shots. Your other gear if stored together is probably fine in the dry cabinet, but would just double check everything and sanitize. Glad they at least offered to repair.

I did notice there are many Leica items after they are returned (both new and collector), are put right back out in stock! Even some official Leica boutiques seems to do it. Guess there's enough people, that eventually one won't complain.

I don't think high inventory or volume is an excuse for offering lottery items. KEH has a huge inventory and their grading seems pretty accurate, same with MPB.



Sep 08, 2025 at 12:59 PM
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p.1 #5 · always check used gears carefully when purchasing - an unpleasant experience


So Camera West took care of you even after a year-

I think you should remove the "another person commented" part of that as it appears you are putting them down. From what I can tell, they are doing more than they need to.

Thats how I am reading it anyway




Sep 08, 2025 at 01:00 PM
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Tariq Gibran wrote:
Wow, that's a crazy experience with trying to obtain a Canon 50/1.2 LTM lens - third times the charm I guess. I probably would have given up thinking that there must be a reason I'm not supposed to have the lens!

A few things I do when purchasing older gear are 1) Make sure the photos are clear, detailed and well exposed. 2) Never purchase gear - particularly lenses - where I can tell that a screw or lens ring has been touched with a tool. I figure if the lens was properly worked on by a professional, there
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I actually had given up after the second attempt - but then I saw it by accident listed again for even a better price than I purchased it and was reimbursed before. I always only use sites which show photos of the actual lens. Sites where general lens photos are shown are a no-go for me. The issues I encountered were unable to see in photos of the lens itself. That's why it is so essential to instantly test the lens after receiving it.



Sep 08, 2025 at 06:32 PM
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p.1 #7 · always check used gears carefully when purchasing - an unpleasant experience


Thanks for sharing the experience!

Yes, I agree that actual item photos are essential. Some sites like KEH and Adorama also have a good selection of used equipment, but since they usually don’t show photos of the specific items, I often feel less confident buying from them—even though my limited experience with the two sites has been positive so far.

The photo of actual items is one of the reasons why I’ve bought pre-owned gear from CameraWest and MPB. My shared experience here in the post with Camera West may be a special case because the staff directly contacted me via email and sent me the photos without even listing the item online. So maybe they missed some inspection steps (check the photos in the link about the fungus) before they could make a formal description.

Overall, Camera West's photos of the used gear are very professional. And their staff is very knowledgeable at the SF store about the Leica gear - that is why almost every time I went to Chinatown for food, I would visit their store.



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p.1 #8 · always check used gears carefully when purchasing - an unpleasant experience


RustyRus wrote:
So Camera West took care of you even after a year-

I think you should remove the "another person commented" part of that as it appears you are putting them down. From what I can tell, they are doing more than they need to.

Thats how I am reading it anyway




Yes, as I mentioned at the beginning, it is great that they offered that after one year.

I don't understand the meaning of "putting them down" here. If you check the photos in that link, the fungus is heavy and at multiple spots, and they are visible from the original photos the store sent to me one year ago (fungus of the same contour and shape). So I think there was a non-strict inspection of this kit's condition. That's why I quoted the other post, which I think applies to at least this specific item.

I was mostly blaming myself and shared it here as a lesson. I didn't argue much that they didn't fairly price the item, considering the fungus definitely impacted the value. I think the typical situation is that the buyer checks the item received, finds issues, and returns it within the time window. Even if you trust a camera store and they have a wonderful record, you should still be careful.

I failed to do that as the buyer. That is the lesson.



Sep 08, 2025 at 08:09 PM
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p.1 #9 · always check used gears carefully when purchasing - an unpleasant experience


If buying used gear from stores, I stick to the ones that have a robust return policy. Lensrentals is one of them and on two occasions they took the gear back with no debate. They even include return label in the shipping box with a 30 day no hassle return.

CameraWest took care of you, though I agree that they should have flagged it before listing. But then I had instances where brand new Leica 35 Lux FLE and 21 Super Elmar had severe blurring on one side of the image. This was obvious at a cursory glance and even the Leica tech at Leica NJ agreed that these lenses should not have passed QC. So much for Leica's hand-signed certificate of inspection.

Bottom line, buyer beware, new or used.



Sep 08, 2025 at 09:05 PM
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p.1 #10 · always check used gears carefully when purchasing - an unpleasant experience


It's always worth it to do a thorough check of used stuff, even from well regarded sellers, I bought a Leica SL2 from a well regarded seller here, and didn't think anything of the few spots of dust on the sensor and I left it as is for like a month, when I finally got around to really cleaning and checking it, the camera had a scratch on the sensor. It was too late to do anything about it, but I wish I would have really checked it.more thoroughly right away.
Anyway, check your used gear purchases even when the seller has good ratings. This probably wasn't malicious, probably, but now I have a permanent spot I need to clone in photos.



Sep 10, 2025 at 02:49 PM
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p.1 #11 · always check used gears carefully when purchasing - an unpleasant experience


It's a good idea to check out new gear as well. Things slip though anyones QA process from time to time.


Sep 10, 2025 at 03:48 PM
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p.1 #12 · always check used gears carefully when purchasing - an unpleasant experience


I think this advice is true of buying used equipment from anywhere especially leica gear, which can be finnicky. I had a similar experience with a midwest camera store where the Leica lens was represented in very clean condition and when I got it, there were questionable spots on the back and it was not properly rangefinder coupled.

The seller said the item was fine and said the lens is just hard to focus but I have enough Leica lenses to know it wasn't and just took the refund.



Sep 10, 2025 at 03:58 PM
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p.1 #13 · always check used gears carefully when purchasing - an unpleasant experience


Driften wrote:
It's a good idea to check out new gear as well. Things slip though anyones QA process from time to time.


The best way to avoid things slipping through QA is to not perform QA.

Amiright Leica, or amiright?



Sep 12, 2025 at 04:04 PM
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p.1 #14 · always check used gears carefully when purchasing - an unpleasant experience


Anymore I just buy beater gear, get it serviced and use it.


Sep 12, 2025 at 04:20 PM







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