Niiccii wrote:
I'm genuinely surprised no one has brought up weather sealing yet – for me, it's been a real deciding factor.
I'm lucky enough to own both cameras and honestly love them each for different reasons. The Hasselblad is such a joy to carry around – that lightweight design and portability really make a difference. Image quality-wise, both are absolutely superb in my experience. I do use the Cobalt profiles to get the Fujifilm tuned to my preferences and a bit closer to that fantastic HNCS look from Hasselblad, but that's just personal taste.
In practice, I find myself reaching for the Hasselblad most of the time – it's a wonderful camera. But when I'm heading out on expeditions where I know I'll face challenging conditions (desert environments, fine sand, high humidity, heavy rain), I pack the Fujifilm without hesitation. I just don't feel confident putting the Hasselblad through those extremes.
The other consideration, and I say this with some sadness, is that my experiences with Hasselblad service for repairs or even thorough cleaning have been frustrating and time-consuming. Fujifilm has simply been more reliable in that department, which gives me peace of mind when I'm far from home.
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It’s not really that the Hasselblad is worse. Just that they refuse to make any claims about weather sealing. Leica’s (and Olympus) on the other hand have actual IP ratings.
I’m not sure that I trust my GFX anymore than my X2D. OTOH I’ve used my X2D in some brutal environments, with a little help from gaffa tape. Didn’t even need to clean the sensor after this. My X2D/2 will be with me in Greenland and Antartica this year.
Grenache wrote:
In the mean time, I am surprised that no one raves about the Q3 series and their colors. My Q3 43 replicates a scene just about perfectly, when using either Standard or Eternal profiles/Looks.
Jim
My understanding is that using profiles only applies to jpeg files not RAW. JPEG files are only 8 bit, have lower DR, and are compressed with data loss and artifacts. What is the reasoning behind buying a high resolution 14 bit camera to shoot jpegs? JPEGS also don't stand up to even light editing well.
zhangyue wrote:
I bought a leather half case for 100II, the handling has been much better for me to hold it long time without hand strain. No matter what , I admit 100II is a hefty camera but not more so than Leica S I had.
I had 100S, call me minority, I am actually prefer and in love with 100II design. Whenever I pick it up, I got the urge to treat it seriously. It is like a modern digital Pentax67 or Mamiya 7 film camera in hand. I just love its industry look. Even compare with X2Dii that I have seen in person a few times during my recent China trip in Hasselblad brand store and last time, I was in Yosemite, one photographer using the X2Dii, we chatted a little bit and he showed very high interest on my setup S100cron on GFX100II
I don’t have the feeling that grass greener on other land right now. 100II with 35-70 iand 7.5 stop IBIS is an awesome setup for me. One day, once there are more clicks from Hasselblad clicked, I might get myself one but now I am happy.
I came to the conclusion that the Leica S lenses are pretty much perfect. I saw your wonderful flickr album for Leica S. Would you happen to have an album or more samples with the 70 Summarit on the GFX? I've been adapting the cine lens version of it which is retuned with a slightly bigger image circle (60mm) on the X2D and pretty happy with the combo. But thinking how the colors play with it on the GFX since I'm interested in the Eterna.
flash wrote:
It’s not really that the Hasselblad is worse. Just that they refuse to make any claims about weather sealing. Leica’s (and Olympus) on the other hand have actual IP ratings.
I’m not sure that I trust my GFX anymore than my X2D. OTOH I’ve used my X2D in some brutal environments, with a little help from gaffa tape. Didn’t even need to clean the sensor after this. My X2D/2 will be with me in Greenland and Antartica this year.
Godon
awesome to see, i dont think about weather sealing much unless they are conditions in which my chance of survival is under 42%
You are correct, and I was sort of saying two different things in one sentence. The Looks are permanent in JPGs. While they do not do anything to the RAW files, the Leica standard is nominally the same as the Adobe profile for the camera, so great color right off of the bat. The Eternal Look is almost entirely a tone curve, which I find useful when shooting in muted situations. Having that set at the time of shooting allows you to get your exposure right for where I want to eventually pull the shadows to in LR.
While the Looks do not land in the RAW per se, they do change the real time histogram and look of the scene in the viewfinder, so you can use them like a preview of where you might want the editing to land…and set exposure accordingly. This is a similar concept to BW profiles/styles being helpful to get the shot right in camera.
No, I don’t do anything with JPGs from any camera.
Hope that makes more sense…at the expense of more words.
Jim
1bwana1 wrote:
My understanding is that using profiles only applies to jpeg files not RAW. JPEG files are only 8 bit, have lower DR, and are compressed with data loss and artifacts. What is the reasoning behind buying a high resolution 14 bit camera to shoot jpegs? JPEGS also don't stand up to even light editing well.
ftllens wrote:
I came to the conclusion that the Leica S lenses are pretty much perfect. I saw your wonderful flickr album for Leica S. Would you happen to have an album or more samples with the 70 Summarit on the GFX? I've been adapting the cine lens version of it which is retuned with a slightly bigger image circle (60mm) on the X2D and pretty happy with the combo. But thinking how the colors play with it on the GFX since I'm interested in the Eterna.
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Yeh, I do have a bunch of shots with 70mm start from GFX 50S -> 100S -> 100II. But I am terribly busy that I don't really process those images or upload to anywhere. Once I am starting upload them to FM, I will tag you.
I can tell you that all S glasses are really awesome on pretty much any subject regardless of what type of DOF image you want. To put it simple, shooting 70mm WO at f2.5, it is very similar to shooting a fast FF f1.4 glass at f2.5~f2.8. Corner has minimal Cat eyes and no funky rendering. It doesn't reach all the way to have Nikon Plena type of rendering (which one out there has? though) but close.
If you have rented 70mm Thalia, I believe you should expect similar rendering minus those fancy mechanic build, and maybe less aperture blade. I feel for film, there are really not much options can do better than a set of 35/70/120 Leica S. (120 might be even more impressive on pretty much anything, and 35mm still has the best 28mm/FF Bokeh out of any lenses out there) You got yourself a poor men's Thalia "Large Format" Set. Fuji native option don't have real focus ring even 55/80 might be pretty good if you stop them down 1 stop or so to get similar corner look.
Edit: @ftllens, I posted a few samples in MF image thread for you.
zhangyue wrote:
Yeh, I do have a bunch of shots with 70mm start from GFX 50S -> 100S -> 100II. But I am terribly busy that I don't really process those images or upload to anywhere. Once I am starting upload them to FM, I will tag you.
I can tell you that all S glasses are really awesome on pretty much any subject regardless of what type of DOF image you want. To put it simple, shooting 70mm WO at f2.5, it is very similar to shooting a fast FF f1.4 glass at f2.5~f2.8. Corner has minimal Cat eyes and no funky rendering. It doesn't reach all the way to have Nikon Plena type of rendering (which one out there has? though) but close.
If you have rented 70mm Thalia, I believe you should expect similar rendering minus those fancy mechanic build, and maybe less aperture blade. I feel for film, there are really not much options can do better than a set of 35/70/120 Leica S. (120 might be even more impressive on pretty much anything, and 35mm still has the best 28mm/FF Bokeh out of any lenses out there) You got yourself a poor men's Thalia "Large Format" Set. Fuji native option don't have real focus ring even 55/80 might be pretty good if you stop them down 1 stop or so to get similar corner look. ...Show more →
Really appreciate your insight. Only at your convenience if you happen to upload would be great. I think based on your experience and my own preferences, I'll try to build that 35/70/120 set. Regarding the mechanical vignetting difference between the original S and Thalia was my biggest interest due to the claimed expanded image circle (but Leitz marketing team used the M0.8 field curvature as a marketing point lol). Thank you again!
As luck would have it I spent today in the studio with one of Italy's most famous and productive photographers. It is an incredible historical place with tons of cameras, props and images. He has produced dozens of amazing books over his more than 50 year career. He currently has a number of digital and film Hasselblad cameras and a safe full of lenses for them. I can't imagine how much he has invested. He also has a complete set of Fuji MF cameras and lenses. I shoot leica, and have no personal experience with either of these systems, but have been following this thread. So, I asked him about his preferences between the two systems. He comes down strongly on the Hasselblad side and says he really only has the Fuji because he wanted to experiment and test it on some jobs. He has offered me the use of his cameras and studio so, maybe I will learn some things about MF in the near future.
Interesting that he says his favorite are the CCD sensor based Hasselblads because he finds them more subtle a nuanced for his art projects. The modern ones for current corporate style work. He showed me super large prints he created with his "Multi-Shot" Hasselblad. One more than 8 meters in length. The subtlety and detail is just amazing. His studio is
Anyway I thought you guys may find this interesting.
1bwana1 wrote:
As luck would have it I spent today in the studio with one of Italy's most famous and productive photographers. It is an incredible historical place with tons of cameras, props and images. He has produced dozens of amazing books over his more than 50 year career. He currently has a number of digital and film Hasselblad cameras and a safe full of lenses for them. I can't imagine how much he has invested. He also has a complete set of Fuji MF cameras and lenses. I shoot leica, and have no personal experience with either of these systems, but have been following this thread. So, I asked him about his preferences between the two systems. He comes down strongly on the Hasselblad side and says he really only has the Fuji because he wanted to experiment and test it on some jobs. He has offered me the use of his cameras and studio so, maybe I will learn some things about MF in the near future.
Interesting that he says his favorite are the CCD sensor based Hasselblads because he finds them more subtle a nuanced for his art projects. The modern ones for current corporate style work. He showed me super large prints he created with his "Multi-Shot" Hasselblad. One more than 8 meters in length. The subtlety and detail is just amazing. His studio is
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Peter Coulson (in Australia) loves his older digital Hasselblads so much, he’s buying more so he can keep using them. He hates the modern Hasselblads and uses Leica SL when not shooting with the Hasselblads in his studio.
johnvanr wrote:
Peter Coulson (in Australia) loves his older digital Hasselblads so much, he’s buying more so he can keep using them. He hates the modern Hasselblads and uses Leica SL when not shooting with the Hasselblads in his studio.
CCD sensors were before my photography time so I have no experience with them. But, the images I looked at today shot with CCD sensors were stunning.
Also stunning were the super large format slide film images he showed me both prints and slides of. He says he has in excess of 1 million large format slide shot during his career. Looking at the size of his storage and file system room I can believe that. What a treasure house this place was. I took a video of one of the prop rooms. I wish I could post a video here on FM to share it.
Just to be clear, I believe Peter Coulson mostly uses the Hasselblad H6D-50c and that is already a CMOS sensor, it is the same 50MP sensor as in the X1D.
I have a Hasselblad H4D-40 at home which is still a CCD sensor.
And FWIW, the Leica S2 and S006 are also CCD, the S007 and S3 CMOS.
1bwana1 wrote:
As luck would have it I spent today in the studio with one of Italy's most famous and productive photographers. It is an incredible historical place with tons of cameras, props and images. He has produced dozens of amazing books over his more than 50 year career. He currently has a number of digital and film Hasselblad cameras and a safe full of lenses for them. I can't imagine how much he has invested. He also has a complete set of Fuji MF cameras and lenses. I shoot leica, and have no personal experience with either of these systems, but have been following this thread. So, I asked him about his preferences between the two systems. He comes down strongly on the Hasselblad side and says he really only has the Fuji because he wanted to experiment and test it on some jobs. He has offered me the use of his cameras and studio so, maybe I will learn some things about MF in the near future.
Interesting that he says his favorite are the CCD sensor based Hasselblads because he finds them more subtle a nuanced for his art projects. The modern ones for current corporate style work. He showed me super large prints he created with his "Multi-Shot" Hasselblad. One more than 8 meters in length. The subtlety and detail is just amazing. His studio is
Anyway I thought you guys may find this interesting....Show more →
johnvanr wrote:
Peter Coulson (in Australia) loves his older digital Hasselblads so much, he’s buying more so he can keep using them. He hates the modern Hasselblads and uses Leica SL when not shooting with the Hasselblads in his studio.
He used an X1D for a while and then tried an X2D. I do wonder what he might think of the X2D2 with it’s improvements in AF.
SlowDriver wrote:
Just to be clear, I believe Peter Coulson mostly uses the Hasselblad H6D-50c and that is already a CMOS sensor, it is the same 50MP sensor as in the X1D.
I have a Hasselblad H4D-40 at home which is still a CCD sensor.
And FWIW, the Leica S2 and S006 are also CCD, the S007 and S3 CMOS.
Can you confirm that with Hasselblad X2d or X2dII it's not possible to invoke autofocus and keep magnified view in the EVF?
From what I've found online, it seems that when I zoom in on the image and then press AFD in manual focus, the viewfinder image doesn't stay zoomed in.
I find this feature very useful with the Fuji GFX100S.
Can you confirm that with Hasselblad X2d or X2dII it's not possible to invoke autofocus and keep magnified view in the EVF?
From what I've found online, it seems that when I zoom in on the image and then press AFD in manual focus, the viewfinder image doesn't stay zoomed in.
I find this feature very useful with the Fuji GFX100S.
Thanks
I can confirm this is not possible on my x2d - just tested, out of curiosity. Not an issue for my shooting, though.
This has not aged well 🤣 the images from the xcd system simply didn't have the look that I was after. I wish the gfx system interface was better, obviously, but the images from the Fuji actually look medium format.
jourdan.merritt wrote:
I've had both systems and after using the X2Dii, I'd never go back to gfx unless there was a complete overhaul to the entire system. The Hasselblad is just so much more enjoyable to use with zero jank and clunkiness. The focus is pretty decent and it's just overall a great experience.
The Fuji has some great lenses (55 and 110) but it wouldn't keep me in the system.
jourdan.merritt wrote:
This has not aged well 🤣 the images from the xcd system simply didn't have the look that I was after. I wish the gfx system interface was better, obviously, but the images from the Fuji actually look medium format.
What is not medium format about the X2Dii? They use the same sensor...
If you look at photos taken with the XCD55 and GF55, they have a totally different look and feel. This isn't to say that the Hasselblad isn't a great camera, because it is. But the photos out of the Fuji have much more pop, better focus falloff, and to me, look more like photos taken on cameras like the Pentax 67. I know not everyone believes in the MF look.
