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p.3 #1 · Thoughts or experience with the Leica M240?


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Yes, the M10-R has a true ISO 100 base, and so far it's my favorite Leica M. I still shoot with the M-D and M10-P Safari, enjoying them despite their quirks.


Fred, can you briefly say why you prefer the 10R over the more recent 11s?



Sep 05, 2025 at 08:36 AM
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p.3 #2 · Thoughts or experience with the Leica M240?


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+1. I have three fairly new batteries for my M-E 240 and M 246 cameras. If the camera is not used, the battery drains very slowly, too. During camera usage without LiveView nor VF-2, one fully charged battery lasts easily for two days of usage and several hundred photos taken. I always try to deplete a fully charged battery as much as possible before recharging it to avoid the memory effect. Since I am using my first M 240 based battery in 2019, it works like I received it as new.


Lithium-ion batteries don't suffer from memory effect. In fact, fully depleting or always charging them to 100% will shorten their lifespan. The best way to preserve long-term battery health is to keep the charge between about 20% and 80%. Staying within that range helps the battery maintain its capacity for many years.



Sep 05, 2025 at 09:49 AM
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p.3 #3 · Thoughts or experience with the Leica M240?


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Fred, can you briefly say why you prefer the 10R over the more recent 11s?


Some folks get defensive about this topic, so let me be clear up front: these are just my personal preferences, not objective flaws. In fact, many of the things I don't enjoy about the M11 are exactly what other photographers value. I own both the M10-R and the M11, but I consistently gravitate toward the M10-R, and here's why:

1) Color rendering – The M11 produces more technically accurate colors, but the M10-R's palette has that Leica character I love. The blues lean slightly cyan, and the reds and greens look beautiful in a way that reminds me of certain film stocks. I know it's less "accurate" than the M11, but aesthetically it speaks to me.

2) Magenta tint – On the M11 I notice a slight magenta cast in the output. It is subtle and can be corrected, and some people might not even notice it, but for me it's distracting. I've read Leica can adjust this if you send the body in, though I haven't done that.

3) Shutter behavior – Because the M11 meters directly off the sensor, the shutter mechanism feels different. It has a more mechanical sequence when waking up or firing, and the sound is not as smooth as the M10-R. I personally find the M10-R shutter more pleasing.

4) Feature set – The M11 offers many more options like variable resolution, crop modes, and expanded settings. For a lot of photographers, this flexibility is fantastic. I, however, prefer the simplicity and limitations of the M10-R.

5) Weight and build – The lighter weight of the M11 is a selling point for many, but I like the extra heft of the M10-R with its brass top plate. To me, it feels more stable in hand.

6) Bottom plate – Most people find the M11's redesigned base convenient, but I actually enjoy the ritual of removing the bottom plate on the M10-R. That one is purely personal.

7) Reliability – Early on, my M11s gave me trouble. I had to swap through three or four bodies before I got one that didn't freeze up. Leica seems to have resolved this with firmware, but that rocky start left an impression on me.

Pros of the M11 (for me): the only thing I truly prefer is the longer battery life. That part is excellent.

I think the main reason the used M10-R has retained its value, and in some cases even increased, is that it is a very stable and reliable high-resolution rangefinder. It was the last model to feature Leica's classic shutter behavior, color rendering, bottom plate, and many other traditional options that many of us prefer. It also has a true ISO 100 and delivers the same DR as the M11 at ISO 100 (I've tested this). The M11 can perform slightly better at ISO 64, but the difference is too small to notice in real-world use.



Sep 05, 2025 at 11:18 AM
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p.3 #4 · Thoughts or experience with the Leica M240?


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Some folks get defensive about this topic, so let me be clear up front: these are just my personal preferences, not objective flaws. In fact, many of the things I don't enjoy about the M11 are exactly what other photographers value. I own both the M10-R and the M11, but I consistently gravitate toward the M10-R, and here's why:

1) Color rendering – The M11 produces more technically accurate colors, but the M10-R's palette has that Leica character I love. The blues lean slightly cyan, and the reds and greens look beautiful in a way that reminds me of certain
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Thanks Fred! Super helpful



Sep 05, 2025 at 11:38 AM
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I noticed the magenta tint in the early DNG samples that were available. TBH, other M bodies also have some odd color behavior or characteristics. I think at least with the M9 and somewhat less so with the M240, it's that the very thin sensor stack doesn't entirely remove IR contamination. M skin tones have always been different than what I'm used to with Canon spanning the past couple decades. That said, I generally like the M240's colors for non-people photos.

#3 baffles and annoys me. I mean, I understand why Leica would go this route. It eliminates the physical light metering system, clearing up that space in the body, reducing design and assembly complexity (and cost) while offering more accurate metering. But the need for the shutter curtain to first close before opening for the exposure adds lag and the potential for shutter shock vibration within a certain shutter speed range in some potential use cases. The fact an EFCS option still doesn't exist, baffles me even more. E-shutter would be fine if it wasn't for the dreadfully slow readout time of the sensor. I would even be fine for an option to turn off the light meter and the need for the shutter reset prior to exposure since I mostly use the M in manual exposure, manually set ISO and confirm exposure based on the histogram. An added bonus of this feature would be extended battery life because metering info would constantly be collected from the active sensor. There could even be a custom function option that automatically switches metering back on if the camera is set to aperture priority or auto ISO.



Sep 05, 2025 at 12:20 PM
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I noticed the magenta tint in the early DNG samples that were available. TBH, other M bodies also have some odd color behavior or characteristics. I think at least with the M9 and somewhat less so with the M240, it's that the very thin sensor stack doesn't entirely remove IR contamination. M skin tones have always been different than what I'm used to with Canon spanning the past couple decades. That said, I generally like the M240's colors for non-people photos.

#3 baffles and annoys me. I mean, I understand why Leica would go this route. It eliminates the physical light
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So true Ron. I never understood why Leica didn't implement EFCS. With such a slow readout, the electronic shutter is only usable for static subjects, so street shooting without a mechanical shutter is out of the question. I do get accurate WB with the new metering, but like you said, Leica spins it as "even more accurate" simply because it is.

I gave Leica this feedback: let M11 shooters disable metering and keep the shutter closed, working just like the earlier models. That would actually be cool, basically a digital Leica M-A.



Sep 05, 2025 at 02:59 PM
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p.3 #7 · Thoughts or experience with the Leica M240?


Fred Miranda wrote:
I gave Leica this feedback: let M11 shooters disable metering and keep the shutter closed, working just like the earlier models. That would actually be cool, basically a digital Leica M-A.


That would work for me. Personally, I dig on the metering blades approach ... but, I rarely let the camera meter anyway. I typically am all manual. Occasionally, I use AUTO ISO with a small amount of EC.

That said, I'm not likely to move from my M10R > M11 anytime soon. 40MP is enough for rangefinder shooting. The extra 50% MP to 60MP translates into 9528 x 6328, vs. 7864 x 5200 for the M10R. Assuming use of the full frame for each is roughly a 20% diff in pixel dimension. At 300 PPI ... this is the diff from 32 in vs. 26 in on the long side, or 245 ppi instead of 300 ppi for the same 32 in.

Other reasons folks might want the M11 vs. the M10R than just resolution, but just thought I'd refresh my PPI perspective, on what that means in printing terms. Of course, the diff between the 24MP (6000 x 4000) M240 / M10 vs. M11 is a bit more significant, where the 300 PPI drops to 20 in. on the long side, or about 190 PPI for a 32 in. Meanwhile, the M240 / M10 at 250 PPI, you can still get 24 in wide. I know the "gold standard" for some is the 300 PPI, but I can roll with 220-250 ppi for a lot of things. Getting south of 200 ppi is where I raise an eyebrow a bit. Otherwise, the M240 / M10 > M10R > M11 can all provide a nice platform for M glass to deliver nicely ... even, if it means a modest limitation on print sizes between MP's.



Sep 05, 2025 at 04:39 PM
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p.3 #8 · Thoughts or experience with the Leica M240?


At least most of what I shoot on Leica, I usually have time to establish exposure with a test photo or two, and go from there based on the histogram. If it's sunny, with the M240 I already know that I like ISO 200 and 1/500 f/8, or any equivalent combination.

And more so with the newest cameras/sensors, being off half a stop, one stop, or more, usually isn't a major issue given how much can be recovered in post. So yeah, I'd be all-in for an option to disable metering if Leica continues with the open, shut-open-shut-open sequence for a single exposure. It just seems so contrary to Leica 'purity, simplicity and minimalism.'

As I've harped on previously, it baffles me that the ultimate M experience of entirely silent *usability* across the typical Leica M use cases, hasn't yet been made possible via a stacked sensor. I'd give up the 1/3-1/2 stop of DR and 10MP the a1's sensor cedes to the M11's in a heartbeat, if I had the choice. I'd even take the a9 series's 24MP sensor.



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p.3 #9 · Thoughts or experience with the Leica M240?


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At least most of what I shoot on Leica, I usually have time to establish exposure with a test photo or two, and go from there based on the histogram. If it's sunny, with the M240 I already know that I like ISO 200 and 1/500 f/8, or any equivalent combination.

And more so with the newest cameras/sensors, being off half a stop, one stop, or more, usually isn't a major issue given how much can be recovered in post. So yeah, I'd be all-in for an option to disable metering if Leica continues with the open, shut-open-shut-open sequence for a
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I agree...Leica went for resolution with the M11 when stacked sensor tech for faster readout would've made more sense. Maybe it wasn't on the table, but hopefully the M12 delivers that. Even the older 24MP stacked sensor from the Sony A9 would've been a smarter pick. I could be wrong, but we've been conditioned to chase megapixels, while rangefinder shooters have long been happy with film level resolution.



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p.3 #10 · Thoughts or experience with the Leica M240?


Fred Miranda wrote:
I gave Leica this feedback: let M11 shooters disable metering and keep the shutter closed, working just like the earlier models

Or as someone suggested, have a good old metering done on the shutter. Worked since the M6.

But if one day, they listen to feedback, can you also tell them that when I press the shutter, I expect my street-pictures oriented camera to take a picture? Not wake up from sleep for 2 seconds doing who knows what? I mean, how can it be so long and not have changed since the M8?
Is the camera mining bitcoins?




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I wonder anyone noticed how Leica calculate/guessed the aperture used, if there weren't another light meter. 🤪

Fred Miranda wrote:
I gave Leica this feedback: let M11 shooters disable metering and keep the shutter closed, working just like the earlier models. That would actually be cool, basically a digital Leica M-A.




Sep 07, 2025 at 12:24 AM
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Leica calculate/guessed the aperture used

Like they do know, by using a random number generator.




Sep 07, 2025 at 02:15 AM
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pmeheut wrote:
Like they do know, by using a random number generator.


Any idea what's the little round windows/lens beside the red dot does? It's there since Leica M8...



Sep 07, 2025 at 02:35 AM
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p.3 #14 · Thoughts or experience with the Leica M240?


jeffersoncasey wrote:
Any idea what's the little round windows/lens beside the red dot does? It's there since Leica M8...


It is used to calculate the shooting aperture.




Sep 07, 2025 at 07:24 AM
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At least most of what I shoot on Leica, I usually have time to establish exposure with a test photo or two, and go from there based on the histogram. If it's sunny, with the M240 I already know that I like ISO 200 and 1/500 f/8, or any equivalent combination.

And more so with the newest cameras/sensors, being off half a stop, one stop, or more, usually isn't a major issue given how much can be recovered in post. So yeah, I'd be all-in for an option to disable metering if Leica continues with the open, shut-open-shut-open sequence for a
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+1

Sunny 16 is a longstanding tool, that for many has become a "lost art". When I got my first digital camera's it seemed like they needed to be more like Sunny 13 (test photos), but your point about understanding what your "incident light" levels are is key. In camera metering is reflective metering. Once you know your incident light level ... you're pretty much golden, unless you are in changing light conditions.

And, even with that, it's easy enough to assess how big a swing those changes are (i.e. sunny side of street vs. shadow side of street), e.g. three stops. That, combined with the post-latitude one can alternatively "split the difference", so that you are "off" by 1 - 1.5 stops, well within todays processing latitude.


As to the open / shut / open / shut experience of the M11 (I don't have one), I was running some test shots yesterday (what else you got to do in a car dealer, service waiting room), cycling through apertures / focus distance to build some "muscle memory" for zone focusing.

In the course of doing that exercise, I switched over to Live View to punch in and set exact focus to compare against my results from zone focusing. As it turns out, I reshot the sequence in Live View (meant to return to RF after focusing). When I reviewed the images, I was surprised by how much difference my handheld performance was at the lower shutter speeds (below 1/125 on a 50mm) when using Live View vs. the RF. I'd known this from testing before, but when I got into the f/8+ territory this time, it was "Whoa, that's junk." in terms of my technique with the Live View and slower shutter speeds. I'm used to being able to handle 1:1 or better (e.g. 1/30 on a 50mm), but with the Live View, I couldn't do it, whereas with the RF, I could.

Just another data point, that it would be nice if Leica could give the option for the "Live View" style metering vs. the "off the blades" metering vs. "disabled", in order to provide the user with choice of "responsiveness". Sure, the Live View metering may be more thorough analysis of the scene ... but, part of the rangefinder experience is the simplicity > expedience / reaction capability. Forcing the user into a more thorough analysis, metering ... yeah, it's a bit antithetical to the RF ethos. I can dig on adding the thoroughness (forcing more internal motion), but at the expense of reducing the responsiveness / vibration control ... not a trade-off that everyone will dig. Granted, a bump in ISO can keep the SS higher. I figure it makes a two stop diff in my SS requirements, when shooting with the Live View vs. RF (regarding 1/125 or slower).

YMMV




Sep 07, 2025 at 07:40 AM
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p.3 #16 · Thoughts or experience with the Leica M240?


fjablo wrote:
I bought an M-P 240 earlier this year.

- battery life is great, but currently you can’t get replacement batteries. I hope Leica fixes this soon..

I do think that I‘d prefer an M10-P overall, but I was not willing to spend the extra 2k



Try Leica Store Vienna Westbahnstrasse for M240 batteries.

As for the M10-P vs M240-P, this was exactly my thinking about 6 month ago, when I have bought my M240-P.




Sep 07, 2025 at 09:28 AM
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p.3 #17 · Thoughts or experience with the Leica M240?


CampK wrote:
This is an interesting idea. Anyone with experience doing this? Does the sensor require modification? Curious if anyone has a pics of the A7CR with M glass on it.



Not sure why one would buy a digital M camera these days, apart from the rangefinder experience. And you don't have this experience with the A7CR, for sure. I have not touched my A7CR since I have bought my M240-P camera, about 6 month ago.
I absolutely don't need anything more from a photo camera, at least at this stage, than the M240 can deliver.






Sep 07, 2025 at 09:32 AM
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+1

Sunny 16 is a longstanding tool, that for many has become a "lost art". When I got my first digital camera's it seemed like they needed to be more like Sunny 13 (test photos), but your point about understanding what your "incident light" levels are is key. In camera metering is reflective metering. Once you know your incident light level ... you're pretty much golden, unless you are in changing light conditions.

And, even with that, it's easy enough to assess how big a swing those changes are (i.e. sunny side of street vs. shadow side of street), e.g. three stops.
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Could it be that in live view the camera was not braced against your brow the way it would be when using the OVF, resulting in less stability that translates into poorer results with shutter speeds at and below 1:1? That additional point of contact makes a big difference for stability, assuming you were instead holding the camera at arm's length. Though I too had hit or miss results with the M240 at marginal shutter speeds in live view while shooting from the EVF, perhaps due to shutter shock. But I've generally not been able to get consistent sharpness (lack of camera shake) once I'm below 2x focal length equivalent shutter speeds with either my M9 or M240 using the OVF.

I know with my M240, if tripod shooting, in live view, and shutter speed was at or below 1:1, shutter shock would degrade image sharpness. The longer the lens, the worse it was. And if it was a vertical photo, it was even worse (due to the direction of the shock not being on the same axis as the tripod support). I would have to exit live view and use at least the 2-second self timer with the 'advanced metering mode' of the M240 disabled (which it always is).

I realize the M240 was Leica's first implementation of live view, but by this point, my Canon DSLRs all did EFCS in live view by default. But as alluded to already in this discussion, Leica digital M cameras are typically some years behind the mainstream in respect to technical capabilities. And the M240 was a camera more representative of the mid-late 2000s when live view first appeared.



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p.3 #19 · Thoughts or experience with the Leica M240?


rscheffler wrote:
Could it be that in live view the camera was not braced against your brow the way it would be when using the OVF,


I still framed the shot using the RF, the same way. I was using the patch to align consistent framing for the test shots from f/1.5 to f/16 (full stop increments from f/2 - f/16). I was oblivious to the fact that I had left it in LV after LCD "punch-in" focusing.



Sep 07, 2025 at 07:58 PM
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I recently dropped my Leica M-A on the beach. Luckily, it dropped to the sand. Both the camera and the lens escaped without a scratch. It was a scary moment for me, and got me thinking, what happens if I drop my M11p instead? This got me thinking about getting an M240. Especially, after seeing how good the noise reduction works in the latest Lightroom. Some of my pictures taken over 15 years ago with Ricoh GX200 at ISO400, all of a sudden became useful. I figure, this will probably give new life to some of the older cameras.
Given that the M240 is now costing about the same as the Epson RD1, the Leica M9, and barely more expensive than the Fuji X100 VI! I also heard that the M240 color is very close to M9. The person who sold me my M10 told me I would prefer the M240's color more. It definitely piques my interest.



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