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Looks like the R5 II does 30fps on regular lossless compressed raw? Is this correct? The A1II only does 30fps on compressed and only 20fps on lossless compressed raw

So it looks like a win for the R5II. Thinking even the original R5 did 20fps on lossless compressed



Sep 02, 2025 at 02:24 PM
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I thought the R5 II was full 14 bit raw for the 30 fps. it also does pre-capture in full raw as well.


Sep 02, 2025 at 03:44 PM
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big country wrote:
I thought the R5 II was full 14 bit raw for the 30 fps. it also does pre-capture in full raw as well.


Yes, I believe that is correct



Sep 02, 2025 at 06:28 PM
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Best to use CRAW if wanting a decent buffer shooting at 30FPS.
You won't notice any difference between CRAW and normal RAW, just like you won't notice a difference between Lossy and Lossless Compressed on Sony. Many online comparisons have proven this to be true for both manufacturers. You have to get into some really fringe cases to try and find a difference between them.
I always shoot the compressed versions on all my Canon, Nikon and Sony cameras as you get smaller files, deeper buffers and in Sony's case as you mention you need to for max FPS on the A9, A9II, A1 and A1II. Should be noted A9III can do 120FPS in all RAW formats if one really wants to. But again I'd recommend using Lossy Compressed on A9III at 120FPS for a useable buffer.



Sep 02, 2025 at 06:58 PM
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I just think people would lose their minds if Canon required C-raw to get to 30 fps.

But Canon hasn't done that, Sony has

I'd rather have full raw than C-raw. Yes, there's a difference, though you might have to push the files. Canon says basically 3 sec at 30fps, TDP says 5 sec



Sep 03, 2025 at 01:01 AM
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AmbientMike wrote:
Looks like the R5 II does 30fps on regular lossless compressed raw? Is this correct? The A1II only does 30fps on compressed and only 20fps on lossless compressed raw

So it looks like a win for the R5II. Thinking even the original R5 did 20fps on lossless compressed


I have hundreds of thousands of images with many R5 II bodies already in the first 12 months. Of course it does 30FPS as lossless CR3s. Are you doubting the published specs? The R5 does 20FPS in ES, but that is a fixed 20 with no adjustments, a really boneheaded limitation. The R5 has a readout speed of about 1/60 so most of the 8-10 R5s I used were on MS. The R5 II's 1/160th readout speed is much more usable on ES and there are various framing rates such as 30/20/15/12 FPS, etc., so it's also much more practical in ES for that reason.

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Sep 03, 2025 at 01:25 AM
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Canon doesn't have uncompressed raw. Only compressed. That's "raw". And then there's raw with chroma subsampling (lossy compressed). That's C-raw.

The camera can do 30fps at all ISOs and all image quality settings.



Sep 03, 2025 at 01:48 AM
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AmbientMike wrote:
I just think people would lose their minds if Canon required C-raw to get to 30 fps.

But Canon hasn't done that, Sony has

I'd rather have full raw than C-raw. Yes, there's a difference, though you might have to push the files. Canon says basically 3 sec at 30fps, TDP says 5 sec


Can you please demonstrate the difference you are claiming as I've yet to see a comparison after 5 years that shows anything worth caring about. I'd be interested to see your own comparison showing this.
These cameras are ISO invariant so I don't see how pushing the files is going to be any different than shooting a proper brightness with a higher ISO. And all the comparisons I've seen at higher ISO don't show any real difference for normal type of shooting most people do at 30-120FPS like sports or wildlife. Maybe some extreme cases of real estate photography with extreme backlight will show a difference. But who needs 30FPS for that?



Sep 03, 2025 at 08:39 AM
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AmbientMike wrote:
I just think people would lose their minds if Canon required C-raw to get to 30 fps.



Would they? Every wildlife photographer I know shooting R5II shoots CRAW anyways.
Sony has required this since the A9 in 2017 where you needed to shoot Compressed RAW to get 20FPS. No one has lost their mind. No one cares because there is no real difference. I'll take the smaller files, I'd shoot Compressed Raw even if I didn't need to to get 30FPS. I shot the A9III in Compressed RAW and you don't need to to get 120FPS.
I chose to shoot CRAW on my R5II, R3, R1. I chose to shoot HE* on my Z9 (and you don't need to for 20FPS).
So unless Canon shooters are just misinformed, I doubt many would lose their minds if this was a requirement.



Sep 03, 2025 at 08:44 AM
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Normally I would use the R5 II in EFCS and CR3 for single shots at low ISO, but shutter mode makes less difference with the R5 II. It's easy enough to switch between a 20 or 30 FPS setting in ES with cRAW and a single frame or low FPS with CR3. The buffer doesn't last very long at 30FPS in CR3.

There are plenty of reasons to dislike Canon cameras, but I don't think the FPS or RAW modes is a dealbreaker. Lack of a pro body with more than 24MP is the elephant in the room.

I don't accept Adobe ACR and recall there were some issues with various software not fully suporting the cRAW, e.g., did Capture One get the cRAW working properly?

EBH



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EB-1 wrote:
Normally I would use the R5 II in EFCS and CR3 for single shots at low ISO, but shutter mode makes less difference with the R5 II. It's easy enough to switch between a 20 or 30 FPS setting in ES with cRAW and a single frame or low FPS with CR3. The buffer doesn't last very long at 30FPS in CR3.

There are plenty of reasons to dislike Canon cameras, but I don't think the FPS or RAW modes is a dealbreaker. Lack of a pro body with more than 24MP is the elephant in the room.

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I'm not disliking Canon cameras, at all, there is apparently a major advantage, here, maybe I'm saying it wrong. The R5 II has a major advantage over the A1II, since it does true 30fps in full raw, and the A1II doesn't, unless you use compression

I am irritated no one serms to be talking about this much on FM, at least I haven't read it and kinda had to dig it up myself.

Canon says 93 raw, TDP got 161 or something but nothing on the frame, so i'm not sure if the files are full sized as far as MB in he TDP test. I'd be curious how many you get, doubt I'd hold the shutter down even 3 sec anyway and it apparently clears very fast.



Sep 03, 2025 at 09:59 AM
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Comparing different brands and mounts there are far more important differences than 20 vs. 30 FPS or cRAW.

EBH



Sep 03, 2025 at 12:30 PM
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arbitrage wrote:
Can you please demonstrate the difference you are claiming as I've yet to see a comparison after 5 years that shows anything worth caring about. I'd be interested to see your own comparison showing this.


I have done this test with my R3 at the time it was released. I took photos in my kitchen (black granite countertops) during daytime (white cabinets). I was shooting purposely at high ISO (6400 and higher), because that's the only thing that matters for me with the R3. I could see decidedly less detail at the countertop with CRAW.

People's mileage may vary, and I don't project my results on others. My R3 (and now R1) are one trick ponies - owls in flight. The vast vast majority of owls fly at ISO well north of 6400 (usually 25k), so this was a relevant comparison for me. The R1 is permanently attached to the 400/2.8, which is almost exclusively dedicated to owls... YMMV, but the difference is there and easy to see under these conditions.

As for R5 / R5m2, if you are doing environmental astronomy, CRAW will have similar negative results, even if you keep it at 6400 or lower thanks to very fast glass.



Sep 03, 2025 at 12:36 PM
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I remember your CRAW findings, Stan, and that made me skeptical about using it initially. But I've found at least for my uses, like events and sports coverage, that the image quality tradeoffs are generally unnoticeable and I'd rather have the performance benefits, such as deeper buffer depth for sports.

A while back I'd shoot regular RAW for most other things, such as my event work, then after a project is done, I'd run at least the outtakes through Adobe's DNG Converter to apply lossy compression and knock down storage size. But those converted files aren't (or weren't - I haven't revisited to confirm) Adobe Denoise compatible. But Canon's CRAW files are Denoise compatible and I haven't noticed any other incompatibility with them in LRC, so now I just default to CRAW from the outset unless I think an image or project will benefit from lossless RAW compression.

EB-1 wrote:
Normally I would use the R5 II in EFCS and CR3 for single shots at low ISO, but shutter mode makes less difference with the R5 II. It's easy enough to switch between a 20 or 30 FPS setting in ES with cRAW and a single frame or low FPS with CR3. The buffer doesn't last very long at 30FPS in CR3.

There are plenty of reasons to dislike Canon cameras, but I don't think the FPS or RAW modes is a dealbreaker. Lack of a pro body with more than 24MP is the elephant in the room.

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AmbientMike wrote:
I'm not disliking Canon cameras, at all, there is apparently a major advantage, here, maybe I'm saying it wrong. The R5 II has a major advantage over the A1II, since it does true 30fps in full raw, and the A1II doesn't, unless you use compression

I am irritated no one serms to be talking about this much on FM, at least I haven't read it and kinda had to dig it up myself.

Canon says 93 raw, TDP got 161 or something but nothing on the frame, so i'm not sure if the files are full sized as far as
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RAW buffer depth is very dependent on factors such as subject content, lens focal length, aperture used, ISO, card type and write speed. Particularly ISO because as it increases, files, whether lossless or lossy, can't be compressed as much as lower ISO files. Therefore, to maximize 30fps (R5II, R3) or 40fps (R1, R6II) usable buffer depth, lossy compression is definitely a real-world solution because even with the R5II and R1, buffer depth is somewhat limited at highest fps with lossless compression. I have definitely hit buffer limits during long bursts when covering extended plays during sports events. But sure, not everyone is going to experience this and it's dependent on what and how something is being photographed.

It's also a somewhat academic argument because, for example, a significant percentage of photographers working sidelines at sports events are shooting in jpeg where RAW buffer depth is no longer a factor.



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arbitrage wrote:
Would they? Every wildlife photographer I know shooting R5II shoots CRAW anyways.
Sony has required this since the A9 in 2017 where you needed to shoot Compressed RAW to get 20FPS. No one has lost their mind. No one cares because there is no real difference. I'll take the smaller files, I'd shoot Compressed Raw even if I didn't need to to get 30FPS. I shot the A9III in Compressed RAW and you don't need to to get 120FPS.
I chose to shoot CRAW on my R5II, R3, R1. I chose to shoot HE* on my Z9 (and you don't need to
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No kidding, so the A9 does the same? A7rV only 7 fps if you use best iq.

Seems to be a common problem on Sony, they give you high fps, but only if you compromise on file iq, yes including a9III. Yet, no one mentions it on FM hardly. Few/No Sony cripple hammer posts, why is that?

Sure, I'll even shoot jpeg given small Rebel buffers, and high iso advantages, yes jpeg can have advantages and be edited substantially. But full raw has major advantages, too, and I'd prefer not to be limited to lossy compressed files, raw or otherwise



Sep 03, 2025 at 01:14 PM
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I'm not sure why you are going off on Sony here. I'll tell you that my experience with around 100K of a7rV files is that the lossy compressed RAW loses quite little. It may be that the sensor is so far superior to the R5 II that we don't see as much degradation, but the shadows from a7rV lossy RAW files can be pulled up far more than the shadows in standard lossless R5 II CR3 files. 10FPS and a freezeframe EVF are not good for the flying BIFs but a large majority of subjects. I do shoot lossless when that is a clear option. I even use cameras in one-shot mode.

EBH



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AmbientMike wrote:
Looks like the R5 II does 30fps on regular lossless compressed raw? Is this correct? The A1II only does 30fps on compressed and only 20fps on lossless compressed raw

So it looks like a win for the R5II. Thinking even the original R5 did 20fps on lossless compressed


Unfortunately lossless compressed raw doesn't get rid of the jagis. A1ii still winning...

Or rolling shutter distortion...



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AmbientMike wrote:
Few/No Sony cripple hammer posts, why is that?


I don't spend a lot of time on the Sony board but it's not all roses over there, either. Discontent seems to be around fps limitation and no TC support for 3rd party lenses. Also lack of 'killer feature' updates in most body iterations. I also seem to recall hand-wringing around lens to lens copy variation with certain lenses.

With respect to cameras, sentiment from some seems to be that Sony is not innovating as fiercely as before and is kind of coasting. Maybe there's no worthy competition to push them? (If as rumored, DJI enters the market, that might change.)

Whatever the case, I don't see a significantly compelling reason for me to want to switch away from Canon to Nikon, Sony or Panasonic. The reality is that any of these systems can do the job for me, most of the time. You pick your poison and get to know its strengths and weaknesses, and whenever possible, use this knowledge to benefit your work.

The spec comparisons/discussions/arguments here are IMO mostly academic, including lossless vs lossy (frankly I'm glad Canon does not offer or limit RAW to only uncompressed - I don't see the point of that in some systems). One can always find a winner, but the question for me is whether or not a spec-sheet-win will even make a difference in my images, or allow me to better use the equipment. And in this respect, for some of the sports work I do, no, lossless is not the better option because of buffer limitations. I'd rather get the shot in lossy, or even jpeg, rather than watch the moment because the buffer was full.

I think Canon does a lot of things right and the balance of benefits vs. compromises skews towards my preferences (fast e-shutter sensors in each FF price point vs. maximum DR, as one example). I might be in the minority, but I also like Canon's RF and EF lens selection and for the most part, Canon's direction with recent RF releases.



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stanj wrote:
I have done this test with my R3 at the time it was released. I took photos in my kitchen (black granite countertops) during daytime (white cabinets). I was shooting purposely at high ISO (6400 and higher), because that's the only thing that matters for me with the R3. I could see decidedly less detail at the countertop with CRAW.

People's mileage may vary, and I don't project my results on others. My R3 (and now R1) are one trick ponies - owls in flight. The vast vast majority of owls fly at ISO well north of 6400 (usually 25k), so
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If you found a difference then it makes sense to use the CR3 over CRAW if your buffer is sufficient for you use.

I was totally happy with the CRAW files out of the R1 at 16,000 and 25,600 ISO for this owl in flight. Same owl with the A1II at 16,000 worked out well too.

CRAW R1/100-300, 1/2000, f/2.8, ISO 16,000:

May 16, 2025.jpg by Bird/Wildlife Photos, on Flickr

CRAW R1/100-300, 1/2000, f/2.8, ISO 25,600:

May 16, 2025-2.jpg by Bird/Wildlife Photos, on Flickr

Compressed RAW A1II, 300GM, 1/2000, f/2.8, ISO 16,000:

May 10, 2025-2.jpg by Bird/Wildlife Photos, on Flickr



Sep 04, 2025 at 08:27 AM
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I was having a hard time cleaning up a dragonfly image shot at 12800 on a 24mp Rebel. Fortunately I'd shot raw + jpeg, I grabbed the jpeg and didn't have much trouble (got nr in camera)

So , yes, nice photos (barred?) but 1) 16,000 on ff isnt that high, really and 2) posting high iso on compressed files isn't really indicative of where youre likely to have problems imo



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