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p.6 #1 · Is a Z500 coming?


bernardl wrote:
How is the Nikon 100-400mm S not competing with the Canon 100-400mm RF?

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Maybe the fact that it's bigger and 5 times the price? I'm sure it's fantastic, but those are two totally different markets.



Sep 18, 2025 at 12:02 AM
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p.6 #2 · Is a Z500 coming?


RoamingScott wrote:
So we've established that the target demo is like 4 guys who can't critically think their way out of a hole.

I think Nikon will be fine with those lost sales.


Agree that the target market is likely too small. The only potentially interesting approach would be going after the OM System crowd, but probably not worth it.

They’d have to release a rugged but small Pro DX body and probably at least a trifecta of Pro DX lenses, including a fast-ish tele. Sounds like a big R&D investment for a small part of the market..



Sep 18, 2025 at 01:19 AM
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p.6 #3 · Is a Z500 coming?


They don't necessarily need pro DX glass, they just need slower/more affordable tele options. They've got amazing superteles as it is, but many of them are more expensive than all the competitions' options. This is a hard pill to swallow for a lot of hobbyists.


Sep 18, 2025 at 01:28 AM
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ISO1600 wrote:
They don't necessarily need pro DX glass, they just need slower/more affordable tele options. They've got amazing superteles as it is, but many of them are more expensive than all the competitions' options. This is a hard pill to swallow for a lot of hobbyists.


In the D300 era, Nikon had a 80-400/4.5-5.6, 300/4, typical for wildlife photographers was also the 300/2.8, 200-400/4, 400/2.8, 500/4, and 600/4. At the time of the D500, there were a newer 80-400/4.5-5.6, 200-500/5.6, 300/4, 500/5.6, 180-400/4 TC, 300/2.8, 400/2.8, 500/4, 600/4, and 800/5.6.

For the rather new Z system, Nikon has so far 100-400/4.5-5.6, 180-600/5.6-6.3, 400/4.5, 400/2.8 TC, 600/6.3, 600/4 TC, and 800/6.3. If we correct the F-mount era lens prices for inflation, many of today's lenses are great value although the very top end lenses continue to be very expensive.

For photographing wildlife (and sports), Nikon has created a nice lineup. The 180-600 and 400/4.5 in particular are quite affordable for lenses of their type (depending on whether you are after faster aperture & portability or economy with a bit more reach, you can choose accordingly).

Sony and Canon have 400-800/6.3-8 ($3298) and 200-800/6.3-9 ($2099); Nikon doesn't offer a lens of this type yet but they do have 600/6.3 and 800/6.3 which are highly portable for the apertures and the cost of the 800/6.3 is significantly lower than Canon's 800/5.6. The Z mount PF lenses are not inexpensive in absolute terms but the 800 is competitively priced.

Nikon doesn't have small-aperture shorter teles at very low prices. However, Tamron 50-400mm F/4.5-6.3 Di III VC VXD ($1099), 70-300mm F/4.5-6.3 Di III RXD ($499) and 150-500mm F/5-6.7 Di III VC VXD ($1199) are available for the Z mount.

For mid-level needs the 180-600 & 400/4.5 seem to be really good value. The 400/4.5 is aesthetically and handling-wise really nice, and the 180-600 seems very popular among even serious wildlife photographers on FM.

Where it comes to lenses with maximum apertures of f/8, f/9, and f/11, I just don't see the conditions where they might be applied with good results broad enough to own such a lens. My slowest tele is a 100-400 mm f/4.5-5.6 and I often find myself at too high ISO settings (12800-25600) or too slow shutter speeds (1/50s to get to moderate ISO such as 2000) when using it. Much of sports is played indoors, and the richest wildlife activity is often on both sides of dawn and dusk. Do you want a lens that excludes all these possibilities?



Sep 18, 2025 at 04:42 AM
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p.6 #5 · Is a Z500 coming?


Like I said, Nikon doesn't have anything that directly competes with the RF 100-400.
Come to think of it, as you pointed out, the Z and RF system telephoto options have little overlap. They have prioritized different things.
Telephoto is not my chief use of cameras like this so ultimately I'm not losing sleep over it.



Sep 18, 2025 at 06:17 AM
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p.6 #6 · Is a Z500 coming?


bernardl wrote:
How is the Nikon 100-400mm S not competing with the Canon 100-400mm RF?

Cheers,
Bernard



Package size and value. The RF100-400 is absolutely tiny and the R7/RF100-400 is actually smaller, cheaper and lighter than an OM-1 or G9II with the m43 100-400's (and the RF is the best of those 3 lenses optically)

the 100-400S competes directly with the RF100-500L (where the RF is arguably the slightly better bare lens, but the S is better with TC's due to the RF's locking out shorter FL's with TC's mounted).



Sep 18, 2025 at 08:24 AM
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p.6 #7 · Is a Z500 coming?


Well this is interesting.

https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-eos-r7-mark-ii-rumored-specifications-round-up/

Might be worth while to renew discussions on this thread.

Canon R7II rumored specs.
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-39MP BSI Stacked Sensor
-Sensor speed close to the EOS R5 Mark II (or faster)
-DIGIC Accelerator May be required to achieve the sensor readout speed
-40fps Electronic Shutter
-Pre-capture
-Body ergonomics close to the EOS R6 Mark III
-Dual Card Slot (SD / CFexpress Type B)
-LP-E6P Battery
-“Much higher” launch price than the R7 R7 launched at $1,499
-No information about video features at this time
-Announcement expected late May or early June 2026
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Those specs looks like a semi-pro, or at least advanced amateur, APS-C upgrade camera instead of a replacement of an older DSLR APS-C camera.

Canon APS-C crop is 1.6x so a 39MP sensor: my guestimate of: "8K" = 7680x5120 sensor (3:2 ratio) = 39.3MP equates to (39.3x1.6x1.6) = 100MP full frame equivalent. WOW!

Canon is giving its customers the HIGHER PIXEL DENSITY customers want in an APS-C camera. As mentioned many times up-thread the Z8 is a much better 20 MP APS-C replacement.

RoamingScott wrote:
So we've established that the target demo is like 4 guys who can't critically think their way out of a hole.

I think Nikon will be fine with those lost sales.


Looks like Canon is going to lock up those 4 guys. It's crazy Canon research and marketing departments convinced the higher ups to spend so much resources going after such a small market. But I guess as Canon is much bigger and has more resources so they can afford it.


Unlike me. I'm broke and taking care of my 90 yo mother so I'm not one of those 4 guys. And won't be any time soon.



Mar 24, 2026 at 06:20 PM
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p.6 #8 · Is a Z500 coming?


I will continue to use my programmed Z8 and Z9 video button to jump in and out of crop mode as needed. I find it very useful and immediate when needed. I just don’t see Nikon looking at this as a viable market to invest in with the flexibility on existing models.


Mar 24, 2026 at 07:45 PM
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p.6 #9 · Is a Z500 coming?


I would not count on an R7 II or any rumor.
I recall there was some guy around here (Psycho 1 or like that) constantly proclaiming rumors back when we were waiting for the D400.
That being said I would jump on a 33MP cropper, whether Z500 or even Z70 level.

EBH



Mar 24, 2026 at 07:53 PM
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p.6 #10 · Is a Z500 coming?


mawz wrote:
Package size and value. The RF100-400 is absolutely tiny and the R7/RF100-400 is actually smaller, cheaper and lighter than an OM-1 or G9II with the m43 100-400's (and the RF is the best of those 3 lenses optically)

the 100-400S competes directly with the RF100-500L (where the RF is arguably the slightly better bare lens, but the S is better with TC's due to the RF's locking out shorter FL's with TC's mounted).


But isn't the RF 100-400 an f5.6-8 lens? I wouldn't say that was comparing apples to apples.



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Will there be awildlife APS-C option....

During SLR times, an APS-C camera saved money for the mirror box and sensor size.
Today, a simple press of a button brings you from full coverage DX to full covergae FX in your viewfinder. Savings will be much less than before. Therefore you need to save on other compoentes as well - which results in the opposite of a serious camera.
I am certain that Nikon will do their research and calculate pricing for a serious APS-C option, but parameteres have changed.



Mar 25, 2026 at 06:57 AM
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p.6 #12 · Is a Z500 coming?


thezapp wrote:
Will there be awildlife APS-C option....

During SLR times, an APS-C camera saved money for the mirror box and sensor size.
Today, a simple press of a button brings you from full coverage DX to full covergae FX in your viewfinder. Savings will be much less than before. Therefore you need to save on other compoentes as well - which results in the opposite of a serious camera.
I am certain that Nikon will do their research and calculate pricing for a serious APS-C option, but parameteres have changed.


Following that logic through, there are two obvious paths to a stabilized APS-C Nikon that sits above the Z50ii: the Z50ii sensor and electronics in a Z5ii chassis, or a new higher rez sensor in something based on the Z8. Neither would be any cheaper than the bodies they’re based on. I could see a market for both, but the calculations are tricky.

The gamble is obvious for the higher end version — it would have to be really amazing to pull buyers away from the Z8.

So what’s the market for a more basic version?

I’m really happy with the Z50ii as a compact travel camera, and for occasional reach. I do wish it were stabilized, but that’s not as necessary for someone using it for wildlife, because virtually all the lenses they’re likely to use have VR. My own interest in a stabilized crop camera would be for compact primes, but once you size the body up to accommodate a stabilized sensor, are you going to lose some of the appeal of the crop body in the first place…?



Mar 25, 2026 at 07:19 AM
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As a Sony mirrorless user (from Nikon dslrs) we could always point to the D500 and "want one of those," even in the dslr/dslt days. We still don't even have "large" body "prism tops." Although I could pretend the A7Riv, A7Rv etc, is a big A6700 - better finder, more buttons, two slots.There's a huge gap between the A6700 and the A1/A9 series in performance and price. We can look to what Fuji has in their top line aps-c models.

But Nikon has that Z8 at $3500.



Mar 25, 2026 at 12:02 PM
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Spectro wrote:
I will continue to use my programmed Z8 and Z9 video button to jump in and out of crop mode as needed. I find it very useful and immediate when needed. I just don’t see Nikon looking at this as a viable market to invest in with the flexibility on existing models.


Holy crap I've been using the key button on the left for that....this will be so much easier!!!!




Mar 25, 2026 at 04:39 PM
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p.6 #15 · Is a Z500 coming?


thezapp wrote:
Will there be awildlife APS-C option....

During SLR times, an APS-C camera saved money for the mirror box and sensor size.
Today, a simple press of a button brings you from full coverage DX to full covergae FX in your viewfinder. Savings will be much less than before. Therefore you need to save on other compoentes as well - which results in the opposite of a serious camera.
I am certain that Nikon will do their research and calculate pricing for a serious APS-C option, but parameteres have changed.



That nikon has a well built body in the z50ii and charges $1k for it when Fuji is getting 2x or more in the apsc market is crazy to me. were I nikon I'd get ibis in that thing, add $1000 to the price and work hard on getting a good lineup of lenses out for it. Ditto the zfc



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thezapp wrote:
Will there be awildlife APS-C option....

During SLR times, an APS-C camera saved money for the mirror box and sensor size.
Today, a simple press of a button brings you from full coverage DX to full covergae FX in your viewfinder. Savings will be much less than before. Therefore you need to save on other compoentes as well - which results in the opposite of a serious camera.
I am certain that Nikon will do their research and calculate pricing for a serious APS-C option, but parameteres have changed.


The problem is that the Nikon (Sony) FX sensors are only 45MP so you only get 20MP with the crop.
We had the 24MP DX Nikon D7100 13 years ago, so 20MP reach in 2026 is quite lame.
A 33MP sensor would be huge. I think they do a good enough camera for about $1800-2000.
When you are searching for reach the cost of an extra camera is nothing compared to the cost of bigger, longer lenses.

EBH



Mar 25, 2026 at 09:26 PM
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Lance B wrote:
But isn't the RF 100-400 an f5.6-8 lens? I wouldn't say that was comparing apples to apples.


Yes, and I don't think anybody ever claimed it to be apples to apples. They are different lenses, but the super low price and small size of the RF, combined with the great images you can get from it, make it a screaming deal. It's such an awesome option that I miss having.





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ISO1600 wrote:
Like I said, Nikon doesn't have anything that directly competes with the RF 100-400.
Come to think of it, as you pointed out, the Z and RF system telephoto options have little overlap. They have prioritized different things.
Telephoto is not my chief use of cameras like this so ultimately I'm not losing sleep over it.


You have Nikon's 28-400 and also Tamron's 50-400 in Z mount. Reviewers are snippy of such lenses and yet they are capable of very nice images. And there is also Tamron's 150-500 in Z mount. There are probably more which are not on my radar.



Mar 25, 2026 at 11:39 PM
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Interesting, I wouldn't have thought of the 28-400 as a direct competitor, but it's closer than I realized.


Mar 25, 2026 at 11:50 PM
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EB-1 wrote:
The problem is that the Nikon (Sony) FX sensors are only 45MP so you only get 20MP with the crop.
We had the 24MP DX Nikon D7100 13 years ago, so 20MP reach in 2026 is quite lame.
A 33MP sensor would be huge. I think they do a good enough camera for about $1800-2000.
When you are searching for reach the cost of an extra camera is nothing compared to the cost of bigger, longer lenses.

EBH


Nikon makes very reasonably priced longer lenses and DX is not really the equivalent of getting a longer faster lens, it allows the use of a bit shorter lens in place of a longer slower lens, but costwise it doesn't really give much of a benefit to get the same SNR and DOF options. E.g. DX with 400/2.8 is similar to FX with 600/4 but the cost difference is small, and the benefit of having a fast readout, higher-pixel count sensor (45 MP 3.7 ms Z8/Z9) is not available from any manufacturer in DX size or similar. The 400/4.5, 600/6.3, and 800/6.3 Nikkors are fairly priced, high-quality lenses which offer the FX user more affordable means of getting to longer focal lengths without having to crop so much and without having to use a TC or DX camera.

By standardizing on a smaller number of sensors, Nikon is able to keep costs down (sensor development is very expensive and DX cameras no longer enjoy the economies of scale they once had) and offer price-competitive cameras.

If Nikon were to develop higher-end DX cameras, they would probably need to offer separate high-resolution, slower readout, and lower-resolution, faster readout sensors like Fuji is offering. Finally there are the needs of video users who might want to prioritise video quality over stills, requiring yet more branching of sensor development. Many people would also want specific DX-optimized primes and zooms to cover wide angle to short tele ranges. Nikon's lens-development resources are spread currently on mostly FX (and DX consumer) + upcoming cine Nikkor lineup. Adding pro DX lenses would further spread out their resources and probably mean they would be less competitive in FX and cine development than they can be if they don't need to make high-end DX lenses to satisfy a small number of potential customers.

Putting more pixels on a small area leads to issues with SNR in all but the brightest of lighting conditions, and good photography of sports and wildlife is often favoring dim but qualitatively nice lighting such as indoor arenas (f/8 APS-C would be super noisy even in the best TV lit arenas, basically even f/4 with FX is a little noisy, and f/2.8 and f/2 are good on FX to get nice images of these situations), forests, and the time before and after sunrise/sunset (where a 400/2.8 on FX can be needed to get acceptable results) which is when a lot of wildlife is active and doing interesting things.



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