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p.1 #1 · Is a Z500 coming?


Still love the D500 and wish Nikon would get busy and give us a Z body as good, or better.

The Z bodies now aren't quite the same performance. Getting a full frame body & using crop mode is not either.

Anyone else?



Sep 02, 2025 at 07:14 AM
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p.1 #2 · Is a Z500 coming?


Daniel Smith wrote:
Still love the D500 and wish Nikon would get busy and give us a Z body as good, or better.

The Z bodies now aren't quite the same performance. Getting a full frame body & using crop mode is not either.

Anyone else?


The Z8 and Z9 have similar pixel density as the D500 and due to the electronic shutter, better lens quality (of Z mount lenses), and more accurate autofocus (in most cases, through not always), the results from those cameras even if cropped to DX equivalent, probably are superior to the D500. They cost more, but due to the electronic shutter, the Z8/Z9 cameras' expected lifetime of use is likely much longer and less maintainance is needed. No worries about autofocus fine tuning, either.



Sep 02, 2025 at 07:33 AM
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p.1 #3 · Is a Z500 coming?


Apart from the fact that I don't believe Nikon will release a Z-mount successor to the D500 in the foreseeable future, I would be interested to know what the arguments against a Z8 are.
I mean, the Z8 can basically do everything a D500 can do, and most of it even much better.
In terms of dimensions and weight, the two cameras could be twins.


In any case, I wouldn't wait for a successor.
If you look at the sales figures for the last 10-12 years, it's the APS-C/DX segment that has had to cope with almost the entire slump.
Full-frame/FX, on the other hand, has more or less remained at the same volume level, but the DX market is definitely no longer what it was when the D500 was released.
A market that, with lower margins and follow-up investments by customers in lenses that are lucrative for the manufacturer, unlike full-frame, is dependent on high volumes.
The market conditions are therefore completely different today; what used to be a huge market is now a niche.



Sep 02, 2025 at 07:46 AM
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p.1 #4 · Is a Z500 coming?


DX is DEAD, long live the Z8.


Sep 02, 2025 at 07:59 AM
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p.1 #5 · Is a Z500 coming?


ilkka_nissila wrote:
The Z8 and Z9 have similar pixel density as the D500 and due to the electronic shutter, better lens quality (of Z mount lenses), and more accurate autofocus (in most cases, through not always), the results from those cameras even if cropped to DX equivalent, probably are superior to the D500. They cost more, but due to the electronic shutter, the Z8/Z9 cameras' expected lifetime of use is likely much longer and less maintainance is needed. No worries about autofocus fine tuning, either.


This exactly. The Z8 and Z glass in crop mode is broadly superior to the D500, even if there are probably some pain points for a transitioning user to work through (e.g. learning how Z AF works and differs). In general DSLR diehards on the D500 will still find a Z500 just as hard to adapt to as the Z8. The Z8 is also no larger than the D500 and it isn't clear that D500 users necessarily want a smaller body when dealing with big glass.

Of course there is the price thing too! But to get anything like Z8/Z9 performance you need a stacked sensor. Developing a new APS-C stacked sensor that can't be sensibly used in the rest of the DX low cost line would be likely be prohibitively expensive. A sensor needs to be amortized over many, many cameras. Unfortunately a Z500 is probably far too niche to ever have enough unit sales to justify that. (At DX you might get by with a partially stacked sensor, but still you are developing a new sensor for probably just one camera that won't sell much).

So it probably doesn't make much sense for Nikon to make a Z500 (or Z90 as many think such a model would probably be called) in comparison to other new camera niches. Unlikely that making the Z500 will convert that many users from F to Z, nor likely to attract that many new Z users either, and development cost for the necessary sensor would be high. Compared to say jumping on the "retro" bandwagon harder, exploiting the RED acquisition more, or other such uses of capital it seems unlikely that a Z500/Z90 would be the choice.

But who knows! We can always hope our favorite camera will get made...




Sep 02, 2025 at 08:11 AM
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p.1 #6 · Is a Z500 coming?


Vento wrote:
... I would be interested to know what the arguments against a Z8 are.


Price & size/weight.

Then, if I'm not wrong, your plot shows that since 2020 sales volumes of APS-C and FF are comparable, with APS-C sales volume slightly larger.

Who thinks that APS-C is dead, should explain us why the major companies (Sony & Canon) still make cameras like the A6700 and R7 along with cheaper models ... to not speak about Fuji.
The reason why we won't see any Z500 is simply due to the fact that Nikon isn't a company as large as Sony and Canon. For the same reason, we won't see any Z 70-200/4 S, as I have written elsewhere.
Finally, about lenses for APS-C, companies don't have to develop a full line of lenses: a couple of standard zooms (1 larger & fast, e.g. f/2.8, 1 smaller & slower, e.g. f/4-5.6), a couple of UWA zooms (again, 1 larger & fast, e.g. f/2.8, 1 smaller & slower, e.g. f/4-5.6) are enough, and can be easily complemented by FF lenses with same mount.



Sep 02, 2025 at 08:43 AM
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p.1 #7 · Is a Z500 coming?


No.


Sep 02, 2025 at 08:52 AM
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p.1 #8 · Is a Z500 coming?


Thom Hogan seems to think that the Z9II may come with a Z90 little brother.

For it to make sense it would indeed have to have a higher pixel density, which means at least 30mp and a stacked sensor using Z9II technology.

The 600mm f6.3 S would make lots of people happy if such a camera existed.

We will see.

Cheers,
Bernard



Sep 02, 2025 at 08:53 AM
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p.1 #9 · Is a Z500 coming?


Daniel Smith wrote:
Still love the D500 and wish Nikon would get busy and give us a Z body as good, or better.

The Z bodies now aren't quite the same performance. Getting a full frame body & using crop mode is not either.

Anyone else?


To be honest, performance is about the same. The difference is ergonomics and the options you have on the body are different. The Z50ii has less buttons, less heft to hold.

The D500 made sense back in the day as a small D5. Today the Z8 is the size of the D500. It is the mini Z9. If you want smaller than that, you're maybe getting into the Z6iii or even Z50ii territory. Maybe we'll get a Z50ii with IBIS for that little bit more heft to hold.



Sep 02, 2025 at 10:19 AM
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p.1 #10 · Is a Z500 coming?


What would they price it at? To get the performance you want, it would need to be a stacked sensor and it would basically be close in price to a refurbished Z8. One of the reasons why I bought a Fuji XH2S was because I did not see Nikon making a pro grade APS-C flagship.


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p.1 #11 · Is a Z500 coming?


All those princess and the pea Z500/Z90 holdouts could have bought a refurb Z8 and Z 600 PF and been making the best images of their life, but that would be too easy. Much easier to grouse for years online.


Sep 02, 2025 at 11:10 AM
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p.1 #12 · Is a Z500 coming?


They are always waiting for some sort of goldilocks system.
RoamingScott wrote:
All those princess and the pea Z500/Z90 holdouts could have bought a refurb Z8 and Z 600 PF and been making the best images of their life, but that would be too easy. Much easier to grouse for years online.





Sep 02, 2025 at 11:14 AM
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p.1 #13 · Is a Z500 coming?


The truth of it is they don't want to spend the money, and never have.

However, the D500 launch price is now $2800 adjusted for inflation and NOT adjusted for tariffs. You can easily find a clean Z8 for that price, so there goes both the excuse and Nikon's "need" to make the camera. They are giving you MORE at the same price with the Z8.

No one should be buying a NEW Z8 at these insane September prices, though.



Sep 02, 2025 at 11:18 AM
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p.1 #14 · Is a Z500 coming?


This is just an example of what you can do (in 2013) with a (much lighter & cheaper than Z8+600/6.3) DX camera with AF-S 300/4 & 1.4X TC (NO CROP!):



To have an idea about what a Z500 would cost, look at current price of R7, or A6700.



Sep 02, 2025 at 11:30 AM
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p.1 #15 · Is a Z500 coming?


No you basically look at an XH2S price wise. A6700 isn't flagship tier specs wise and the R7 would be feasible depending on the tech Nikon puts in it. A stacked sensor 32mp camera with at least 20fps would be fine, I just don't see that being $1500 though. Even if Nikon kept the sensor simple at 32mp and added IBIS with Expeed 8, it'd still probably be at Z6III territory price wise.
Ripolini wrote:

This is just an example of what you can do (in 2013) with a (much lighter & cheaper than Z8+600/6.3) DX camera with AF-S 300/4 & 1.4X TC (NO CROP!):

https://download.nikonimagespace.com/bb67e687e50518edf1fc88f12dfe7f5e/Bayerischer2013_290_1600px.jpg


To have an idea about what a Z500 would cost, look at current price of R7, or A6700.





Sep 02, 2025 at 11:37 AM
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p.1 #16 · Is a Z500 coming?


Yes, but the profit margins are significantly lower for DX bodies.
In addition, as I already mentioned, DX buyers generally invest significantly less in lenses.

So, overall, selling an FX body is much more lucrative for Nikon than selling a DX body in the Z50II category.
They need much higher volumes to achieve/generate similar sales figures.
When the D500 was released, this was offset by the sheer volume of DX bodies sold, so that higher development costs were also justified.
Today, this can no longer be taken for granted.
A Z500 or Z90, whatever you want to call it, would initially mean significant development costs.
The Z500 advocates are not satisfied with a Z50II; it has to be the full package, fully stacked and with a higher pixel density, i.e., a new, expensive sensor, and that costs money in development, without the foundation to recoup these development costs over many models of a generation.
Unlike the Nikon Z full-frame models, where the development costs of a Z9 are spread across many models, such a Z500 would have to recoup the development costs almost single-handedly.

The price of such a Z500 with a stacked sensor and higher pixel density would certainly not be far from the street prices of a Z8.
The argument about weight and dimensions is certainly relevant for some, but ultimately the Z8 has almost identical dimensions to a D500 and the difference in weight is in the range of 50g.
So if you love the D500 and are one of those who always want a successor to the Z, you should be familiar with the dimensions of a Z8 and have no problem with it.
Nothing else in the Z range comes closer to the body feel of a D500.







As far as I'm concerned, Nikon can release as many new products as it wants, but I just don't see the market that would make the investment worthwhile for Nikon at this point in time.
That may change with the next generation and Expeed8, but it will also depend on which sensor solutions are available at what prices.
It's clear that Nikon makes its money with full-frame cameras, where the margins are not only much higher, but there is also the potential to spread development costs across a large number of models within a single generation.
Buyers of these cameras are usually willing to invest several times the cost of a Z5II, Z6III, Z8, or Z9 body when purchasing high-quality FX lenses, where Nikon has the highest margins.

So even if the numbers in the chart are at a comparable level, Nikon only earns a fraction with Nikon DX.
This means that we would have to sell many times more DX bodies to achieve comparable margins, and the APS-C market no longer offers this potential, at least not for a manufacturer like Nikon, which is limited in terms of possibilities and market share.

Nikon is currently only covering the mainstream DX range, as an entry point into the Z system.
From their perspective, this is understandable.
The focus is clearly on a broad spectrum of full-frame solutions and following the acquisition of R.E.D, the transformation of the portfolio in these areas, all this with significantly lower market shares and R&D capabilities compared to Canon and Sony.
That's why I wouldn't waste my time waiting for a D500 successor.
If solutions like the Z50II aren't enough and the Z8 doesn't fit either, then there are other manufacturers who have made these areas one of their focal points, such as Fuji.


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Sep 02, 2025 at 11:52 AM
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p.1 #17 · Is a Z500 coming?


And nothing says you can't slap that same lens old F mount combo on an FTZ with the Z8. Not sure why you WOULD, but you COULD.


Sep 02, 2025 at 11:59 AM
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p.1 #18 · Is a Z500 coming?


For Nikon the equation has several variables.

0. Do they have the technology to release a DX camera with value, meaning 30+ mp and 40 fps (if not more, with the lower mp they could potentially go higher than in the Z9II since the read out speed should be higher)? Answer is clearly yes
1. Would there be value for wildlife photographers? Answer is yes. More reach, more compact as a second body together with a Z9II
2. Can they do it at a price point that would be appealing? Most probably. It would not be a body they would make much money from but one designed to sell lenses. This is basically what they did with the Z9 by pricing it significantly lower than competition,
3. Is there enough volume? Possibly considering that many serious wildlife shooters would probably want one together with a Z9II to get more reach
4. Would it help their market positioning? If they think that Canon is likely to release a wildlife APS-C camera then Nikon will want to be leading this segment also. Their strategy is clearly to be the best option for wildlife shooters. Their whole long lenses line up was designed with that in mind.
5. Would there be marketing value? A huge yes, many people remember the D3/D300 pair as a key event in the history of digital photography (not only Nikon’s own history). And we know that Nikon values their legacy. We wouldn’t have a Zfc and Zf otherwise. I wouldn’t be surprised if they came up with a 2 bodies (Z9II + Z90) « wildlife ultimate kit » at discount price.

So I would agree with Thom, there is a high probability that they will come up with one.

Cheers,
Bernard



Sep 02, 2025 at 05:07 PM
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p.1 #19 · Is a Z500 coming?


RoamingScott wrote:
DX is DEAD, long live the Z8.


That's kind of 2017 mentality with the D850, which actually has better S/N than the Z8 with the same pixel pitch. The 2015 D7200 had better IQ than the D500. Technical progress in some ways is rather lame due to the focus on flying BIFs and video. There are other subjects in the universe also.
Some of us are wanting more pixels in croppers. If Fuji can do it, why not Nikon? Of course I'd be fine with an 80-90MP FX body also and just crop from that.

EBH



Sep 02, 2025 at 06:37 PM
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p.1 #20 · Is a Z500 coming?


EB-1 wrote:
That's kind of 2017 mentality with the D850, which actually has better S/N than the Z8 with the same pixel pitch. The 2015 D7200 had better IQ than the D500. Technical progress in some ways is rather lame due to the focus on flying BIFs and video. There are other subjects in the universe also.
Some of us are wanting more pixels in croppers. If Fuji can do it, why not Nikon? Of course I'd be fine with an 80-90MP FX body also and just crop from that.

EBH


The problem with Fuji is you're going to be using APS-C lenses, not full frame. 40mp of tiny-pitched-pixels with shorter glass or a bigger sensor with fatter pixels and just-as-long reach in DX mode.



Sep 02, 2025 at 06:40 PM
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