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p.21 #1 · After 13 years of all Sony, I'm trying Nikon


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For me, it was the small size of the Sony NEX-7 that first got me to try something other than Canon. I have been hooked on the small size ever since.
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The A7CR is almost a perfect camera for my purposes, except it needs a stacked sensor and could benefit from a somewhat improved EVF. .


The NEX-7 was my first Sony. The form factor was incredible, especially coming from the Nikon D800 and Leica M9. That, and the ability to use pretty much any lens and the great image quality, had me hooked from day one.

In my mind, the A7cR is just the logical continuation of what Sony started with the NEX-7. And I don't mind the EVF at all; I suppose because I've learned to shoot with so many viewfinders that were dramatically worse (ie see Argus C3 or Graflex Speed Graphic)




  NEX-7    ---- lens    1/60s    400 ISO    0.0 EV  




Jan 17, 2026 at 11:45 AM
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p.21 #2 · After 13 years of all Sony, I'm trying Nikon


This thread is a good reminder that most squabbling between brands is nitpicking at the edges of technology, edges that very few of us truly care about or encounter on a routine basis.

For this reason, I found settling into a single "primary" brand and accepting that it's great at most things and very good at others is less mental anguish than trying to min-max a perfect build that requires top of the line cameras from multiple brands, adapters, or all the rest.



Jan 17, 2026 at 11:57 AM
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p.21 #3 · After 13 years of all Sony, I'm trying Nikon


^^^
But wait! Aren’t you the guy who has regularly trashed various brands and cameras in these forums, and occasionally the people who chose to use them? ;-)

In any case, I welcome your change of heart concerning the typical triviality of most differences among brands, and your belated recognition that photographers can and do make excellent photographs using just about all of them… and folks should, as I’ve long said, just pick one and get on with the important work of making photographs.



Jan 17, 2026 at 12:27 PM
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p.21 #4 · After 13 years of all Sony, I'm trying Nikon


Yes Dan, it's all about you, as usual

And of course, I've been espousing shutting up and shooting for years. My beef is with Sony as a company being predatory and anti-consumer and sycophantic brand loyalty supporting such operations. I think their technology is fine from an imaging perspective.



Jan 17, 2026 at 12:30 PM
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p.21 #5 · After 13 years of all Sony, I'm trying Nikon


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… and folks should, as I’ve long said, just pick one and get on with the important work of making photographs.


But why? Why ignore the fact that juggling gear and making fun of other gear jugglers is fun? And GAS **is** fun, and it's great for the economy! Moreover, for many of us GAS is more fun than making an image. I am perfectly comfortable acknowleding and encouraging this.

Besides, the technological progress, by continuously trivializing the technique, has already ruined the effort/reward ratio for many, and soon coming for others. If you're hoping that computational photography is going to stop at sky swapping and noise reduction, you're in for a wild ride. So more and more of "the important work of making photographs" is being done by engineers working at tech companies, not the moist self-propelled tripods who buy and transport their products to scenic locations (or just to a nearest cat or duck).

TLDR: as a hobby, GAS is not inferior to "making photographs".

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Jan 17, 2026 at 04:32 PM
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RoamingScott wrote:
This thread is a good reminder that most squabbling between brands is nitpicking at the edges of technology, edges that very few of us truly care about or encounter on a routine basis.

For this reason, I found settling into a single "primary" brand and accepting that it's great at most things and very good at others is less mental anguish than trying to min-max a perfect build that requires top of the line cameras from multiple brands, adapters, or all the rest.


Points for DnD reference.



Jan 17, 2026 at 04:51 PM
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But why? Why ignore the fact that juggling gear and making fun of other gear jugglers is fun? And GAS **is** fun, and it's great for the economy! Moreover, for many of us GAS is more fun than making an image. I am perfectly comfortable acknowleding and encouraging this.

Besides, the technological progress, by continuously trivializing the technique, has already ruined the effort/reward ratio for many, and soon coming for others. If you're hoping that computational photography is going to stop at sky swapping and noise reduction, you're in for a wild ride. So more and more of "the important work
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As far as computational photography goes…really depends on why one takes photos. If the end result is your only goal…then by all means sit in your cozy home and create the end result on a computer. But if going out and capturing an amazing image and bringing it back to show others what you got to experience with your eyes is more important…then all those AI algorithms means squat.

I grow a vegi garden every year because I get a joy of planting and caring for the vegis throughout the year and when ready to harvest, I enjoy the fruits of my labour. I could easily just go to the market and buy my vegis, but I would miss out on the joy of cultivating my own, the same goes with my photography…the journey is just as rewarding as the finished print.



Jan 17, 2026 at 06:52 PM
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old-gregg wrote:
But why? Why ignore the fact that juggling gear and making fun of other gear jugglers is fun? And GAS **is** fun, and it's great for the economy! Moreover, for many of us GAS is more fun than making an image. I am perfectly comfortable acknowleding and encouraging this.

Besides, the technological progress, by continuously trivializing the technique, has already ruined the effort/reward ratio for many, and soon coming for others. If you're hoping that computational photography is going to stop at sky swapping and noise reduction, you're in for a wild ride. So more and more of "the important work
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Well, if gear is what is fun about photography for you, who am I to judge? ;-)

And gear is fun and interesting. I keep track of what’s out there and what I might be interested in when it is time for me to add something or upgrade. (I’m getting to that point with my “ancient” 10+ year old DSLR system.)

But beyond whatever fun one might have from buying stuff, I think that a lot of the questions in a forum like this are from people who are trying to figure out what will do the job for them. Many of them want to make appropriate purchase decisions and then get on with using the gear to make photographs, and quite a few would rather not have to turn around and replace stuff in a few months or discover that they paid a whole bunch of money for something that didn’t really gain them much.

If one brand/model or lens/camera/tripod/whatever was truly and objectively significantly better than all of the other choices, photographers would all eventually lean that direction. But that hasn’t happened. In fact, when we look around a great photographs and the excellent photographers who make them it becomes obvious that they are using virtually every brand, model, and type of gear. In the end, it is more than enough to figure out what fits your needs and your photography, pick a brand that provides that, get gear appropriate to what you are trying to do…

… and then focus on making photographs.

As someone once said (paraphrased and modified a bit): “The least significant problem you’ll need to resolve as a photographer is, ‘Nikon, Canon, Sony, or Fujifilm?’.”

YMMV.

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Jan 17, 2026 at 08:01 PM
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I grow a vegi garden every year because I get a joy of planting and caring for the vegis throughout the year and when ready to harvest, I enjoy the fruits of my labour. I could easily just go to the market and buy my vegis, but I would miss out on the joy of cultivating my own, the same goes with my photography…the journey is just as rewarding as the finished print.


I see the analogy. But sorry, shooting video of a bird at 30fps with pre-capture and AI-trained autofocus only to pluck a good looking frame later (which will be done automatically for you by AI next year anyway) is not the same as gardening. It is much closer to going to the supermarket, maybe even a restaurant. Most of us here never leave restaurants and never touch that dirty soil with our manicured gentle hands. :-)

There was a thread here recently, in the mirrorless gear section, where folks were debating what photography genre was the most challenging. And the wildlife photographers were bragging how challenging it was for them to get their ass out of bed at 4am, put heavy clothes on, get in the car and be out there under (god forbid!) uncomfortable temperatures in order to... make it to a restaurant.

Want to do gardening? Then get yourself a roll of ISO 100 film, load it into a manually focused black box, and go hunt for the decisive moment. Next, develop film at exactly 37.8°C ±0.1 and wet-print in a dark room while inhaling fumes of RA4 chems. And if nobody hangs your print on their wall, consider your gardening a failure because nobody eats your crops.


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If one brand/model or lens/camera/tripod/whatever was truly and objectively significantly better than all of the other choices, photographers would all eventually lean that direction. But that hasn’t happened. In fact, when we look around a great photographs and the excellent photographers who make them it becomes obvious that they are using virtually every brand, model, and type of gear.


Agreed! Because all these brands and features exist only to satisfy GAS. As I said here repeatedly: there is no photographic reason for Sony to be making so many bodies! The C-series isn't really that compact, the R-series doesn't really offer meaningfully higher resolution, etc. They are meant to be excuses to own several, because any Sony body can make any photograph in skilled hands. The existence of these made-up camera categories is proof that for most people the joy of gear acquisition is higher than the joy of making a photograph, and it's not a bad thing. I encourage all gearheads to proudly acknowledge this fact. Stop being silly and pretend that you "need" X for your "photography". Just buy it, put it into a dry cabinet, and never use it like the rest of us. It's perfectly normal and should be encouraged to grow GDP.

gdanmitchell wrote:
As someone once said (paraphrased and modified a bit): “The least significant problem you’ll need to resolve as a photographer is, ‘Nikon, Canon, Sony, or Fujifilm?’.”
YMMV.


That is incorrect for most people. For them, it is the most significant problem, because one of these brands may deliver 15.5 stops of dynamic range instead of just 15. Which brand is leading this year? Which youtuber to trust? The solution is to acquire them all: Nikon, Canon, Sony and Fujifilm. And then some more! ... and get a "backup body" too! How can one survive without a backup? And a camera skin! And the cage! Remember how important camera cages have always been for producing stellar photography?

Mark my words: in the not-so-distant future Nikon, Sony and Canon will be selling hats. Those hats will have a multi-gigapixel light field camera mounted on top with a 360° FOV, filming the world around you in 3D at 120fps all the time and streaming the resulting 3D model into an AI classifier which will determine the framing and zoom for most scenic shots. Because it's a model with the light angle recorded, the AI will be able decide what to focus on, which aperture to simulate, and apply appropriate lighting and skies to maximize Instagram engagement. And you all will be sitting here justifying owning two different hats from different brands because it somehow enhances your "photography". Some will complain about having to wear the hat at 4am in the morning, and others will even compare that to gardening!

(I am fully aware that it's impossible to separate sarcasm, mocking and seriousness in some of my posts, but that's why the Internet got invented)



Jan 17, 2026 at 10:35 PM
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I see the analogy. But sorry, shooting video of a bird at 30fps with pre-capture and AI-trained autofocus only to pluck a good looking frame later (which will be done automatically for you by AI next year anyway) is not the same as gardening. It is much closer to going to the supermarket, maybe even a restaurant. Most of us here never leave restaurants and never touch that dirty soil with our manicured gentle hands. :-)

There was a thread here recently, in the mirrorless gear section, where folks were debating what photography genre was the most challenging. And the wildlife
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Jan 18, 2026 at 02:59 AM
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RoamingScott wroteMy beef is with Sony as a company being predatory and anti-consumer
How does this customer-unfriendliness manifest itself? Through the omission of aperture rings and actions against third-party lens manufacturers? 😄



Jan 18, 2026 at 03:49 AM
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old-gregg wrote:
(I am fully aware that it's impossible to separate sarcasm, mocking and seriousness in some of my posts, but that's why the Internet got invented)


Not sure if it makes sense to reply due to the above, I'll take the risk though .

I think you're missing the fact that photography is mostly about photos, the actual end result to be precise. If you value the process more ("gardening"), then of course all you wrote is right. However, I do think most people first look at the photo and evaluate it, rather than ponder about how it was taken. Similar to people tasting the veggies they grew or bought.

Regarding Sony's camera range, you're right. They exist mostly because of Sony's sale strategy: market segmentation. As you noted, it's more profitable for Sony not to offer one best-of-all (even A1 line has less resolution/DR than 7R line, etc.) body, so that people will buy multiple .

Now, if you don't care about a stop / half-stop difference in DR or 10 Mpx in resolution or 20 fps or ... , then I guess you don't need to concern yourself with the choices. As you said, you can take great pictures with any Sony (or other brand for that matter) body nowadays . There are people who like to push their gear to the edge though, and the edge will be different between different models...





Jan 18, 2026 at 05:28 AM
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I red the posts from @old-gregg, @chez, and @gdanmitchell and I like all what they said, despite some apparent contradictions and disagreements in these posts.
The reason for this is that I don't believe that "photography is mostly about photos, the actual end result to be precise" as suggested by @j4nu.
For professional photographers, for sure. For enthusiasts photographers, certainly not.
I believe that most FMers are not professional photographers. I expect that they do photography for personal pleasure(!), which is found in different aspects of photographic activities. For example, wildlife enthusiasts may enjoy hiking with a camera, or traveling to interesting places, etc. For those who are more technically minded, it gives pleasure exploring the technology, learning how photography works "under the hood". Photography can be a way to disconnect from troubles and concerns - an antidepressant of a sort. Feel free to add your personal reason for holding a camera or working on your pictures today.
Thus, the joy of photography can be in everything about photography, including buying and trying new gear. The apparent disagreements between FMers merely reflect the differences in what kind of pleasure they find in photography in their dissimilar personal ways. Then, some might be tempted to teach others about what photography is about, and what is wrong with the others. When it comes to pleasure, there's an unspoken agreement that we don't advise others on what they should and shouldn't do in their bedrooms. Similarly, it makes sense to be understanding about the different ways photography brings pleasure to the enthusiast photographer.



Jan 18, 2026 at 10:12 AM
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ruthenium wrote:
I red the posts from @old-gregg@, @chez@, and @gdanmitchell@ and I like all what they said, despite some apparent contradictions and disagreements in these posts.
The reason for this is that I don't believe that "photography is mostly about photos, the actual end result to be precise" as suggested by @j4nu.
For professional photographers, for sure. For enthusiasts photographers, certainly not.
I believe that most FMers are not professional photographers. I expect that they do photography for personal pleasure(!), which is found in different aspects of photographic activities. For example, wildlife enthusiasts may enjoy hiking with a camera, or traveling to interesting places,
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Jan 18, 2026 at 10:20 AM
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j4nu wrote:
There are people who like to push their gear to the edge though, and the edge will be different between different models...


If we’re honest, there are very few “edges” among brands that are so distinct or which create hmard limits for photographers. Virtually all of the great photographs we see made with, for example, fall frame gear could have been made with roughly comparable gear from any of the manufacturers.


In the end, we have to pick a brand when we buy equipment, but the choice ultimately matters very little to our photography. We tell ourselves that .5 stops of DR, 5 fps of burst speed, 10 MP or resolution, and all the rest is fundamental critical to our photography. But it virtually never really is.

in the end it is about what you DO with whatever gear you end up using.

As to the “joy of buying new gear,” to some small extent I get it. When I do get something new I enjoy it. But that “joy” does not last very long and soon one goes looking for the next fix. I see a few people in these forums who seem to spend most of their lives buying, selling, buying, selling (ather, rinse, repeat) gear. What that has to do with the medium called photography eludes me. If that is th thrill, it isn’t about photography, it is about acquisition and could e accomplished with anything – bottles of wine, shoes, handbags, cars, art.

If buying things floats your boat, and if those things must have the most impressive specifications according to whatever standards you apply, that’s fine. But it isn’t about “photography.”

To clarify for a later responder, my point applies to cameras, lense, and essentially all photographic equipment.

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Jan 18, 2026 at 10:26 AM
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Dan, yours is an oversimplified view of photography. You excluded lenses, for example. I think it makes sense to buy a body for some lens or lenses. Not the other way around. For example, the Olympus 40-150mm F2.8 lens is a good reason to buy a micro-four-thirds camera. The Fujinone GF20-35mm F4 and GF55mm F1.7 lenses (in my recent experience) justify adding a GFX body. Perhaps, a lens like the Sony 70-200mm F2.8 might be a compelling reason for adding an A1 or an A9 body (I own this lens but don't have a use for it, unfortunately- a real shame).
I have the impression that full-frame cameras are trying to be a middle ground, good enough for most uses while being not optimal or ideal for all. For one trivial example, the 3x2 FF format is not ideal for photos in the portrait orientation, that works better in the 4x3 format. Thus, I see wisdom in avoiding replacing Sony by Nikon or Canon, and vice-versa, unless there's a very specific need such as a unique lens, or a unique camera feature like exceptional bird autofocus for birders. I am prepared to argue that while replacing one FF brand by another FF brand makes little practical sense to me, exploring photography gear outside the FF options is interesting and rewarding.
Having said the above, I should remind myself "Judge not"!, that is, I have to be understanding that even things that don't make sense to me can give please to others (large lens collections, for example).



Jan 18, 2026 at 12:38 PM
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Dan, yours is an oversimplified view of photography. You excluded lenses, for example. I think it makes sense to buy a body for some lens or lenses. Not the other way around. For example, the Olympus 40-150mm F2.8 lens is a good reason to buy a micro-four-thirds camera. The Fujinone GF20-35mm F4 and GF55mm F1.7 lenses (in my recent experience) justify adding a GFX body. Perhaps, a lens like the Sony 70-200mm F2.8 might be a compelling reason for adding an A1 or an A9 body (I own this lens but don't have a use for it, unfortunately- a real
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You realize that you are actually supporting my point, right?

And that my “view of photography” is that it is fundamentally about photographs, not gear?

And that my point was not about personal, individual decisions about what stuff works best for the photograph you make, but ws in response to posts suggesting that the joy of photography is, in large (or even majority) part about acquiring gear?



Jan 18, 2026 at 12:49 PM
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ruthenium wrote:
I red the posts from @old-gregg@, @chez@, and @gdanmitchell@ and I like all what they said, despite some apparent contradictions and disagreements in these posts.
The reason for this is that I don't believe that "photography is mostly about photos, the actual end result to be precise" as suggested by @j4nu.
For professional photographers, for sure. For enthusiasts photographers, certainly not.
I believe that most FMers are not professional photographers. I expect that they do photography for personal pleasure(!), which is found in different aspects of photographic activities. For example, wildlife enthusiasts may enjoy hiking with a camera, or traveling to interesting places,
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Sorry if my post came off as condescending or know-it-all-kinda, it's just very hard for me to wrap my head around the concept of photography *not* being in pursuit of great photos. I completely agree that the gear matters and it can make the "journey" more or less pleasing, but, in my case at least, in the end I look at the photos that pop up on my screen. I've never preferred a worse photo over a great one just because I had more fun taking the former .
Still, this is obviously my take on it, and I respect others who have a different view. Even if I don't understand it. It's like sometimes in those crossposted threads from Leica forums, people dismiss lenses just based on the font used to write the focal length on it. I'll never understand that, because the end justifies the means in my case (so I can live with unwieldy or unaesthetic lens/body used to take a photo I like).

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Jan 18, 2026 at 02:20 PM
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The common phrase in corporate land is "don't let perfect be the enemy of excellent".

People of a certain bent tend to get bogged down in minutiae that doesn't actually matter to the detriment of repetition and refinement. They don't get to the meat of creating, instead waiting on what they perceive to be ideal conditions with ideal tools in an effort to achieve a usually unreachable standard that they could have otherwise gotten close to with results that are still laudable.

You see this in practice in corporate structures every day, and you see that here every day.



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