p.1 #1 · Kinda feeling like r5 mark ii won't get 4k 60p oversampled mode. Anyone else think so too?
The r5 ii has been released for almost a full year, and there is still no 4k 60p oversampled mode despite it being possible with the r5c. A part of me is wondering if this is a business decision to keep 4k 60p oversampled out of the r5 series (not r5c series). Only time will truly tell, but it's been quite discouraging with the recent firmware updates.
p.1 #2 · Kinda feeling like r5 mark ii won't get 4k 60p oversampled mode. Anyone else think so too?
Yes it’s lame.
I also have a Sony A1 and it’s 4k60 (while also not oversampled) is vastly sharper and more detailed than my R52.
Canon really should step up here and do something about this. On top of this the Sony has a significant DR advantage for video.
Soft fuzzy 4k60 on a $4K camera?! I would consider keeping just the Canons if this were improved. Instead I’m likely to sell the Canon soon.
p.1 #4 · Kinda feeling like r5 mark ii won't get 4k 60p oversampled mode. Anyone else think so too?
This is a big disappointment. But if enough of us provide feedback to Canon we might be able to make a difference. There are 3 things we all need to do:
2. Call Canon at 1-800-652-2666 and have them take a "VOC" (voice of customer) suggestion to add this feature to the R5II. They will add it into a database for the engineers to review.
3. Register for an account to join the Canon community I linked above and add more responses to that thread with your feature requests.
If we were able to get tons of R5II owners do this it will get their attention, as I've been told.
p.1 #5 · Kinda feeling like r5 mark ii won't get 4k 60p oversampled mode. Anyone else think so too?
hsiunghsiung wrote:
The r5 ii has been released for almost a full year, and there is still no 4k 60p oversampled mode despite it being possible with the r5c. A part of me is wondering if this is a business decision to keep 4k 60p oversampled out of the r5 series (not r5c series). Only time will truly tell, but it's been quite discouraging with the recent firmware updates.
After nearly a year I would not expect any major software changes; that probably requires a hardware change.
p.1 #7 · Kinda feeling like r5 mark ii won't get 4k 60p oversampled mode. Anyone else think so too?
Agreed, but they could enable a better 4K 60, like Sony has, which is not oversampled, but it is much cleaner and sharper and more detailed. Way less noise. Better color too.
But it could be because the Canon sensor is not great that they can’t accomplish this.
Saeva wrote:
I think 4k 60p oversampled may not come to the R5ii because it causes overheating. They have it in R5c, as it has a fan.
p.1 #8 · Kinda feeling like r5 mark ii won't get 4k 60p oversampled mode. Anyone else think so too?
Why would anyone expect Canon to add a major feature to a camera after the fact? If they were planning for the R5Mk2 to have it, it would have had it on day 1 and been advertised as such.
p.1 #9 · Kinda feeling like r5 mark ii won't get 4k 60p oversampled mode. Anyone else think so too?
People see a similar sensor in the R5C and think about the possibilities. Nothing wrong with that.
(Also having a well below average 4K60 is such an obvious oversight, that it makes sense that a $4,000 Canon might remedy it at some point. After all, if heat is an issue, they are selling a pricey fan grip for this thing, aren’t they?)
Mike_5D wrote:
Why would anyone expect Canon to add a major feature to a camera after the fact? If they were planning for the R5Mk2 to have it, it would have had it on day 1 and been advertised as such.
p.1 #10 · Kinda feeling like r5 mark ii won't get 4k 60p oversampled mode. Anyone else think so too?
ronno wrote:
Yes it’s lame.
I also have a Sony A1 and it’s 4k60 (while also not oversampled) is vastly sharper and more detailed than my R52.
Canon really should step up here and do something about this. On top of this the Sony has a significant DR advantage for video.
Soft fuzzy 4k60 on a $4K camera?! I would consider keeping just the Canons if this were improved. Instead I’m likely to sell the Canon soon.
I have the R5ii and owned the A1 and A7RV. While I admit that I mostly shoot raw, respectfully, I think you are mistaken that the sony has better dynamic range. That may have been the case with the original R5. Even then, the difference was probably just under a stop. With the addition of clog 2, Sony doesn't have a dynamic range advantage that you will notice in the real world. If memory serves me right, the R5ii 4k 120 is better than that of the A1
p.1 #11 · Kinda feeling like r5 mark ii won't get 4k 60p oversampled mode. Anyone else think so too?
I admit, it's a pain to only have line skipped 4k60 in h265, but ALL these cameras have compromises. I think to this day the original sony A9 doesn't have picture profiles for video. I've spent quite a few years trying to find a good hybrid photo and video camera, and the R5ii is the best that I've tried. SRAW 4k 60 may be a workaround if the h265 4k 60 is not good enough. The other option is to to shoot 8k 60 raw and transcode to 4k h265 later to save on storage. That would give you best colors, sharpness and the ability to change white balance in post.
p.1 #12 · Kinda feeling like r5 mark ii won't get 4k 60p oversampled mode. Anyone else think so too?
The Canon log 2 are OK in daylight, but as soon as it gets a bit darker (I’m talking indoors on a sunny day), the Canon files have a crazy amount of noise compared to the Sony.
Shooting them side by side makes this is very very obvious. So between the already soft Canon files, and also the noise issues, which means more noise reduction needed. It’s really no contest unless you’re shooting in broad daylight. (Though, even then the Sony files are better as to DR)
So even if Canon fixes the detail/sharpness issue, there’s still a serious noise issue with the video.
When shooting *stills*, the RAW files are comparable.
Howie4life wrote:
I have the R5ii and owned the A1 and A7RV. While I admit that I mostly shoot raw, respectfully, I think you are mistaken that the sony has better dynamic range. That may have been the case with the original R5. Even then, the difference was probably just under a stop. With the addition of clog 2, Sony doesn't have a dynamic range advantage that you will notice in the real world. If memory serves me right, the R5ii 4k 120 is better than that of the A1
p.1 #13 · Kinda feeling like r5 mark ii won't get 4k 60p oversampled mode. Anyone else think so too?
The Canon R5's fabulous oversampled 4K 60p crop format and its absence from the R5II is the single greatest reason why I will never upgrade my R5 to the R5II.
I have been an active R5 wildlife video shooter for 3 years now (pretty much daily). For 80-90% of my time I shoot 4K wildlife videos and the rest of the time I shoot stills. For the stuff I do I need sharp, clear clean 4K video footage and the Canon R5 gives me that every time with the 4K Fine and oversampled 4K 60p crop modes. If fact, IQ-wise you really can't tell the difference between these two.
However, the terrific advantage of the oversampled 4K 60p crop mode is that you get an additional 1.6 crop factor giving you high quality footage for objects that are quite far away. There are times when I shoot video with the R5 with the RF200-800 plus the RF1.4x extender in 4K 60p crop mode and the results on a 4K monitor look great!
p.1 #14 · Kinda feeling like r5 mark ii won't get 4k 60p oversampled mode. Anyone else think so too?
Rudy Pohl wrote:
The Canon R5's fabulous oversampled 4K 60p crop format and its absence from the R5II is the single greatest reason why I will never upgrade my R5 to the R5II.
I have been an active R5 wildlife video shooter for 3 years now (pretty much daily). For 80-90% of my time I shoot 4K wildlife videos and the rest of the time I shoot stills. For the stuff I do I need sharp, clear clean 4K video footage and the Canon R5 gives me that every time with the 4K Fine and oversampled 4K 60p crop modes. If fact, IQ-wise you really can't tell the difference between these two.
However, the terrific advantage of the oversampled 4K 60p crop mode is that you get an additional 1.6 crop factor giving you high quality footage for objects that are quite far away. There are times when I shoot video with the R5 with the RF200-800 plus the RF1.4x extender in 4K 60p crop mode and the results on a 4K monitor look great!
p.1 #15 · Kinda feeling like r5 mark ii won't get 4k 60p oversampled mode. Anyone else think so too?
biggles2002 wrote:
Canon R5 Mark II do have oversampled 4k50/60 in cropmode!
biggles,
When I put my R5 MKII in crop mode, and go to movie rec. size, there are no "fine" settings for 60 or 30 fps. My understanding is the mode with "fine" is the oversampled mode. Am I incorrect on that?
Dave
p.1 #17 · Kinda feeling like r5 mark ii won't get 4k 60p oversampled mode. Anyone else think so too?
dj63401 wrote:
biggles,
When I put my R5 MKII in crop mode, and go to movie rec. size, there are no "fine" settings for 60 or 30 fps. My understanding is the mode with "fine" is the oversampled mode. Am I incorrect on that?
Dave
you have no lineskipping choice in cropmode just oversampled 4k60 from 5,1k
p.1 #18 · Kinda feeling like r5 mark ii won't get 4k 60p oversampled mode. Anyone else think so too?
ronno wrote:
According to whom?
(Sony looks better in both modes anyway, but where are you getting this info about the R5II?)
So I just asked my good Buddy, ChatGBT about this issue. Below is my question and Chat's answer. Your thoughts?
So my specific question is this:
The R5, in 4K 60p crop mode, uses 5.1 megapixel wide center part of the sensor to oversample the image which it then downsamples to very sharp 4K final image. Does the Canon R5II do the same?
ChatGPT said:
You’re absolutely right about the Canon R5's 4K 60p crop mode—it does indeed use a 5.1K region of the sensor and oversamples it down to ultra-sharp 4K footage. That’s one of the key reasons it's such a strong performer in that mode.
Does the R5 II do the same?
Based on both official spec sheets and user reports, the Canon R5 Mark II does not oversample in its 4K 60p crop mode:
The camera uses sub-sampling (often described as line-skipping) rather than full oversampling for 4K/60p crop video.
DPReview
+1
As some DSLR/video forum users put it:
"...in crop mode R5 has 4k60p oversampled from 5.1k, the R5II hasn't, apparently, only subsampled."
Reddit
Official Confirmation (DPReview)
DPReview’s deep dive confirms this technical design:
For the R5 II, 4K 60p (DCI or UHD) is offered in sub-sampled form—not oversampled.
It also clarifies that oversampled 4K (“Fine”) is only available at up to 30p, derived from 8K, while 120p and 60p modes use sub-sampling at full width or an APS-C crop
*** So what do your think guys? Is Chat right or not? How can we confirm this?
p.1 #19 · Kinda feeling like r5 mark ii won't get 4k 60p oversampled mode. Anyone else think so too?
Rudy - the sub sampled / line skipped 4K60 on the R5II is the matter here.
People were hoping for a fix, since it is not sharp or detailed, produces significant moire, etc. etc.
It's easy to see that it's not "fine" mode just by looking at the files. Do you have the camera??
AI is hallucinating on a regular basis, so not useful here.
p.1 #20 · Kinda feeling like r5 mark ii won't get 4k 60p oversampled mode. Anyone else think so too?
R6 II and III do an exelempary job at it though. i know it's not apples to apples, but this decision on canon's part feels more cripplehammer versus a capability thing, to me at least.
