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Hi:

I accidentally pour coffee to my laptop that I use primary for photo editing. The keyboard become sticky and won't work even with an external keyboard. It was a gaming laptop that still running on Window 10 professional that I update to 64 GB ram and 1TB of internal SSD. I also have 3 external SSD (combine 15 TB of storage and two of them are full) that are attached to the laptop for photo storage. I look around for Window replacement, but none of them look good or cheap. I check the Mac mini seems like it will fit the bill.

As for my usage, I don't do a lot of heavy duty photo editing. The most demanding job is to use Negative Lab Pro to convert negative. I have a M11p and Z8, so the file size I normally have are large, and that's why I use up external SSD fast. I haven't done any video editing yet.

I have a MacBook Air (M2 with 8GB ram) lying around, so I hook up Lightroom Classic and move two years' worth of photographs to my MacBook Air. To my surprise, it works rather well. Even the Negative Lab Pro conversion is faster than my Window laptop. Moreover, the pictures look sharper which I believe is due to the video engine does a better job to communicate with my external monitor.

I wonder if my MacBook Air is already doing the job, if I should still update to a Mac mini with 24GB of Ram and 512GB of SSD hard drive. Also, I wonder if M4 vs M4 pro will net me any improvement if I don't do video editing. I just purchase a 22TB external SSD for Mac (my other were setup for Window so it is not writable).

What do you guys think? Thanks in advance for any of your input!



Jul 21, 2025 at 01:00 PM
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No mention of a monitor...you'll obviously need one with a Mac Mini along with a keyboard and trackpad. Your current MBA probably is fine for what you've described as long as you aren't into heavy editing, however the 8GB ram is a bit underwhelming IMO. If you are looking at getting a mini I'd recommend going with the M4 Pro. The 512 SSD is ok but a bit small once it gets loaded up with apps etc. I would recommend going with a 1TB SSD.


Jul 21, 2025 at 01:24 PM
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No mention of a monitor...you'll obviously need one with a Mac Mini along with a keyboard and trackpad. Your current MBA probably is fine for what you've described as long as you aren't into heavy editing, however the 8GB ram is a bit underwhelming IMO. If you are looking at getting a mini I'd recommend going with the M4 Pro. The 512 SSD is ok but a bit small once it gets loaded up with apps etc. I would recommend going with a 1TB SSD.


I use a generic Dell monitor that is for programming. Not a dedicated photo specific monitor. I am not too particular to my processing workflow yet. Amazon is currently having a deal for Mac Mini M4, 24GB ram and 512 SSD for $819. It looks really tempting to me. The M4 pro goes almost another $400. I am very skeptical that it is a major improvement, but cost near 50% more.



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mikegao wrote:
I use a generic Dell monitor that is for programming. Not a dedicated photo specific monitor. I am not too particular to my processing workflow yet. Amazon is currently having a deal for Mac Mini M4, 24GB ram and 512 SSD for $819. It looks really tempting to me. The M4 pro goes almost another $400. I am very skeptical that it is a major improvement, but cost near 50% more.


The modularity of base M > Pro > Max is essentially 1X > 2X > 4X in terms of modules. In addition to the additional cores that come with the additional modules, you also get an increase in memory bandwidth. 2X memory bandwidth and 2X cores isn't something to readily dismiss.

The other way to look at it is the M4 is only 1X base unit. Which is the SAME module config as the MBA's 1X base unit. Imo, if you're gonna move off of your MBA, it makes little sense to me to only get a similar 1X base module (even if iterative generation diff). My recommendation would be to get the (2X) Pro.

My general recommendation is for folks to get the (4X) Max + 32GB (or more), but in the Mac mini realm, you're talking about (1X) Base vs. (2X) Pro, so I'd vote for getting the (2X) Pro, not the (1X) Base model.



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The modularity of base M > Pro > Max is essentially 1X > 2X > 4X in terms of modules. In addition to the additional cores that come with the additional modules, you also get an increase in memory bandwidth. 2X memory bandwidth and 2X cores isn't something to readily dismiss.

The other way to look at it is the M4 is only 1X base unit. Which is the SAME module config as the MBA's 1X base unit. Imo, if you're gonna move off of your MBA, it makes little sense to me to only get a similar 1X base module
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Thanks! Hmm.... this is a tough one. I was planning to spend the money on a lens but this side step the plan.



Jul 22, 2025 at 12:08 AM
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Buy it from Apple and try it. If you don't like it, you have 2 weeks to return it, no questions asked. Also check Apple's refurbished store (it's a bit hidden on their website). Same return period and you can save ~15%. I've mostly bought Apple refurbished for the past ~15 years and it always looks like brand new equipment. Same warranty as new.

Non pro vs. pro, for what you're doing, will probably be a matter of just waiting a bit longer for a process to run. Pro, Max and Ultra steps get you more GPU cores (and of course Ultra is 2x CPU cores). If your work doesn't and won't leverage GPU much, then the base chip might be fine.



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Buy it from Apple and try it. If you don't like it, you have 2 weeks to return it, no questions asked. Also check Apple's refurbished store (it's a bit hidden on their website). Same return period and you can save ~15%. I've mostly bought Apple refurbished for the past ~15 years and it always looks like brand new equipment. Same warranty as new.

Non pro vs. pro, for what you're doing, will probably be a matter of just waiting a bit longer for a process to run. Pro, Max and Ultra steps get you more GPU cores (and of
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+1 for Apple's return policy.

I'd approach it like this ... buy the Pro, us it for a week. Return it. Buy the regular. Use it for a week.

If you still like the regular one, and didn't notice a backwards reduction in your "joy" factor of using it, then your needs are very low. If you pushed 'em both, and the difference revealed itself .. then, you know.

Or, you can just dig around in the refurb (also, returnable) and find the config you wanted. I rolled through several rigs (laptops, not mini) from both direct retail and online refurb before settling on my config wants / needs vs. that's a PITA, not enough rig.

A few ways to approach it, but the salient point is that Apple's excellent return policy is there to be used ... which BTW, is how they FEED the refurb machine. I personally contributed multiple returns into the refurb family. Absolutely nothing wrong with any of the rigs I returned. Just that they now had to re-inspect / repackage them ... and off to the refurb stockroom, they go.

They only downside to looking at the refurbs ... you may have to "watch and wait" for a specific configuration to show up in the refurbs. But, otherwise I'd definitely look at the refurbs, if you are budget conscious.

You pay for it once ... you live with it every day of your life for years to come. You don't want to make a decision that you'll have buyers remorse over. Apple wants you to be a "happy" customer, and their superb return policy is a BIG piece of how they approach getting you there.

Apple is very willing to support they buy it / try it ... try again, if you want ... and again, again, again. I rolled through 5 different return rigs (iirc) before settling on mine. Your decision will be much simpler, or you can just get a refurb Pro and be done.

HTH




Jul 22, 2025 at 06:49 AM
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Thank you all for your input! I am sure I will move to Mac going forward. I started to migrate nearly 9TB of picture files to a Mac dedicated hard drive with 22 TB of storage space. I think this is also good for backup purposes, but it will take a lot of time. I spent 4 hours last night moving around 1TB of pictures.
As for the computer, I will use my MacBook Air for now. Whenever I feel like it's too slow, I will buy a new one.



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mikegao wrote:
Thank you all for your input! I am sure I will move to Mac going forward. I started to migrate nearly 9TB of picture files to a Mac dedicated hard drive with 22 TB of storage space. I think this is also good for backup purposes, but it will take a lot of time. I spent 4 hours last night moving around 1TB of pictures.
As for the computer, I will use my MacBook Air for now. Whenever I feel like it's too slow, I will buy a new one.



Gotcha ... nothing wrong with the MBA if it is working for your workflow needs. I've used both an iPad and MBA on different occasions (i.e. both 1X base module) and they'll get the job done, just a different level of expectation / user experience. As long as your rig isn't "pi$$ing" you off ... you're




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mikegao wrote:
Thank you all for your input! I am sure I will move to Mac going forward. I started to migrate nearly 9TB of picture files to a Mac dedicated hard drive with 22 TB of storage space. I think this is also good for backup purposes, but it will take a lot of time. I spent 4 hours last night moving around 1TB of pictures.
As for the computer, I will use my MacBook Air for now. Whenever I feel like it's too slow, I will buy a new one.


Did you know there is software that allows your Mac to read and write to Windows NTFS formatted drives?



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I would suggest the M4 Pro with 48gb ram and 1tb ssd; and 64gb/2tb would be better still. But note that for about $400 more, you can get the 48gb/1tb configuration in a 14” Macbook Pro; and then for about $800 more, you could get an M4 MAX studio with 64gb/1tb offering better performance still and more connectivity. For me the price added for either might be worth the additional flexibility or performance, and perhaps a better way to go for photo editing. YMMV.


Jul 23, 2025 at 08:40 AM
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Did you know there is software that allows your Mac to read and write to Windows NTFS formatted drives?


Thank you very much for pointing this out to me! I have a 5TB hard drive that is going to waste because it was formatted for Windows and it was basically empty.



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The best Mac Mini is on sale right now.


Jul 23, 2025 at 02:53 PM
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Jack Flesher wrote:
But note that for about $400 more.....

and then for about $800 more.....


That's the thing: where to draw the line? There is a lot of overlap once you move up from base configurations and it's easy to start looking at options the next level up and then up, and up... For photography you could get a base configuration of whatever chip, but guaranteed you will be adding external storage to it for your current 'in progress' projects, in addition to your storage archive.

I was tempted by the cute, tiny form factor of the Mini M4 Pro, but for the same price as the 14/20 core chip with 1TB and 48GB RAM, I got a refurbished Studio M4 Max with 16/40 cores, 1TB and 48GB RAM... Yes, it was within $100 and actually slightly cheaper than the Mini.

For me those extra cores were exactly what I wanted because I often run lots of images through Lightroom's AI Denoise. In fact I bought the Studio ahead of the project I'm working on now that is ~12,000 images. All those extra cores reduced Denoise processing time by almost 3 times over my older M1 Pro system. But that's what works for me. I could still do the same work, on a much smaller scale on the old M1 Pro. I'd just have to wait longer for some things like Denoise. In other areas that are CPU rather than GPU intensive, and maybe don't take advantage of multiple cores, an M4 or M4 Pro Mini will be very competitive. Definitely check out the Art is Right videos for some benchmark comparisons.

mikegao wrote:
Thank you very much for pointing this out to me! I have a 5TB hard drive that is going to waste because it was formatted for Windows and it was basically empty.


Maybe stating the obvious but if you don't need it for Windows any longer, plug it into the Mac and reformat it in Disk Utility. I believe spinning hard drives are still best to format in HFS+ rather than APFS (SSDs should be APFS).



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That's the thing: where to draw the line?


+1

I try to find the things that are "not incrental" as key points for drawing the line. By that, I mean if the difference between generations is 15% gain (i.e. M2 > M3, etc.), I go "meh", not worth the $$$ (often).

But, when I'm looking at doubling my memory bandwidth speed capability, that's not incremental. Going from 32 cores to 40 cores, meh. Going from 8GB or 24GB is different than going from 32GB to 64GB.

Going from USB-C to Thunderbolt, not incremental (particularly if relying on external storage, as part of your minimize the on board SSD size / cost).

Plenty of pieces to the puzzle, and it is easy to have $$$ creep. I try to think about a 5-8 year outlook. I figure the incremental gains of processor improvement at 15-20% per year (on average) will double things somewhere in that time frame. So, I keep some relative perspective to which pieces of the puzzle can offer me 2X or better (i.e. not incremental) experience, in some regard.

Just some .02 fodder that I approach when trying to understand the what / why I'm making a $$$ decision.



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For me those extra cores were exactly what I wanted because I often run lots of images through Lightroom's AI Denoise. In fact I bought the Studio ahead of the project I'm working on now that is ~12,000 images. All those extra cores reduced Denoise processing time by almost 3 times over my older M1 Pro system. But that's what works for me. I could still do the same work, on a much smaller scale on the old M1 Pro. I'd just have to wait longer for some things like Denoise. In other areas that are CPU rather than GPU intensive,
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This is interesting! I am thinking about getting a Leica M240 or the SL at some point. They aren't known for clean high iso. I am thinking the Denoise algorithm will give those cameras a new life. Also, for many of my birding images, I am thinking of running them through Topaz.

I am currently using the Lightroom software like a light table, to just browse through the image, and doing a minimal amount of editing. Since computer price is going down all the time, my plan is to use MacBook air until I run up to its ceiling, then, I will get a refurbished Mac.



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mikegao wrote:
This is interesting! I am thinking about getting a Leica M240 or the SL at some point. They aren't known for clean high iso. I am thinking the Denoise algorithm will give those cameras a new life. Also, for many of my birding images, I am thinking of running them through Topaz.

I am currently using the Lightroom software like a light table, to just browse through the image, and doing a minimal amount of editing. Since computer price is going down all the time, my plan is to use MacBook air until I run up to its ceiling, then,
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If you're using "regular" things to gauge your MBA's performance ... it's like taking the Camry to the grocery store. Gets the job done, just fine. But, if you're gonna start towing a horse trailer, loaded with a team of Clydesdales, you'll certainly want a different rig to pull the heavier load of Denoise programs. I don't use much Denoise software, but my "loaded trailer" litmus test was uprezzing and pano-stitching the uprezz.

While I can't speak to where the "break points" are for denoise program performance gains. I do know where I experienced my break points that took noticeable performance hits. I originally thought I was gonna be "bang / buck" optimized / savvy at a Pro with 24GB. Through my testing, I learned that it was a bit "lite" for my tasks, and when I went up to 32GB, things were much noticably improved. Then I bumped up to 64GB, and the diff's weren't noticeable, in similar regard.

I repeated the test with a 32GB Pro vs. a 32GB Max, and again the diff's were noticeable. This is why I recommend Max + 32GB (or more), and Pro + 32GB for the more budget conscious. My decision to get the 64GB (instead of saving a $$ with the 32GB), was essentially "anti-buyers remorse" looking forward 5-8 years. I'm sure that I'd get along fine with 32GB.

On that note, I had a prior rig ThinkPad Extreme that I got with 32GB. Later I added a second 32GB slot for a total of 64GB. No real difference in my seat of the pants use. So, here again, my experience lands at the 32GB point, as being a break point difference of "no difference" compared to 64GB. Granted, the architecture of the TP is difference from the 4X module of memory bandwidth from the M series modules, where you get both AMOUNT of memory AND BANDWIDTH of memory lanes being ^2, the reason for me going with 64GB is a "smoother" / "responsive" rig (hard to quantify) when doing things like brushwork on large files (think brushing a large area like a sky, on a large pano stitch).

Again, "regular things" aren't gonna break a 1X (MBA / Mini / iPad / iPhone) module rig. It's when you start pulling heavier loads that you'll be wanting something that can pull harder / faster. How big a load you want to pull, will determine how big a rig you want to run with. Art is Right and others demonstrate their versions of workflow / loads that are common to many things. But, figuring out your needs is part of the equation, too.


That said ... you're in a reasonably good place. By that, I mean you have ... TIME ... on your side. You're in no hurry to make a move right now. SOOOOOO, you can use that time to buy a different rig this month. Use if for a week, return it. Buy a different rig, next week (or next month, etc.), use it for a week, return it. Rinse / repeat until you come to understand where your temperament is wrt different rigs.

THEN, when you decide you want to make a move ... you'll already know what you want, and can have the patience to watch the Refurb board to get your rig at a price point you want. Heck, it might even be that the EXACT same rig, you just returned will show up on the Board again. Just depends on your sense of timing on when you want to make a move. BUT, my point is that you CAN be PREPARING your DECISION, in the meantime. Apple's most excellent return policy sets you up for success in this regard. Don't be afraid to use it to your advantage. Apple is playing the long game, and will gladly wait for you. Take a similar "long game" view and let time be to your advantage for learning where you want to be down the road.

HTH




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I'll add to the above:

The M240 is 24MP. My M1 Pro system generally handles 24MP without breaking a sweat. Denoise is fast.

I recently started processing 45MP R5II files and experienced noticeable performance issues with LRC on the M1 Pro. Sliders were laggy and it generally felt like I was waiting for minor things to happen. Half a second here, a couple seconds there... multiplied by hundreds or thousands of images in a project and it adds up. And Denoise was of course slower because of the higher pixel count. For me that resulted in a considerable delay because I'm often batching a few hundred images, but sometimes a lot more.

My M1 Pro configuration is only 16GB RAM. It's what was available refurbed and in my price range three years ago. I generally have a ton of other apps and browser tabs open while running LRC and with 24MP it worked OK. I'm guessing 16GB RAM with all those demands was one bottleneck. But so was CPU/GPU at 45MP. So far M4 is very smooth, but this Max configuration also has 48GB and according to the Activity Monitor app, memory pressure is rarely an issue. The Max configuration shouldn't be much different in terms of CPU capability compared to Pro, but it obviously has a GPU core count advantage. If you have to prioritize one over the other, I'd prioritize RAM because you can always add fast NVMe SSD storage via Thunderbolt, though I think the minimum storage should be at least 512GB to accommodate apps. Also the current implementation of Denoise in LRC now saves the denoise data in the catalog rather than creating a separate DNG image file that resides with the original files. If you're like most people, your LRC catalog probably resides somewhere on the boot drive. Run a lot of Denoise and the catalog will consume a lot of storage. Just be aware of this and also that you can also keep the catalog on an external drive.

Seeing how far the M2 gets you and going from there seems like a logical path.



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I'll add to the above:

The M240 is 24MP. My M1 Pro system generally handles 24MP without breaking a sweat. Denoise is fast.

I recently started processing 45MP R5II files and experienced noticeable performance issues with LRC on the M1 Pro. Sliders were laggy and it generally felt like I was waiting for minor things to happen. Half a second here, a couple seconds there... multiplied by hundreds or thousands of images in a project and it adds up. And Denoise was of course slower because of the higher pixel count. For me that resulted in a considerable delay because I'm often
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+1 for things getting "laggy" when you up the ante a bit.

My break point for laggy vs. not laggy diff was my 16" MBP M2M with 32GB. So that's 32GB of memory running through 4X the memory bandwidth of a base module, or 2X the memory bandwidth of a Pro (even with same 32GB). When I bumped my Max to 64GB, the additional memory didn't seem to make a difference of improvement. Of course, that's still on the same 4X memory bandwidth.

Imo, pushing things are just more "responsive" when you have more memory bandwidth for things to pass back / forth ... particularly while editing. Batch processing or Denoise stuff ... a few extra seconds ins't a deal breaker.

But, when editing heavy files, those laggy sliders disrupt the fluidity of my mojo. That's where I drew the line.




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mikegao wrote:
Hi:

I accidentally pour coffee to my laptop that I use primary for photo editing. The keyboard become sticky and won't work even with an external keyboard. It was a gaming laptop that still running on Window 10 professional that I update to 64 GB ram and 1TB of internal SSD. I also have 3 external SSD (combine 15 TB of storage and two of them are full) that are attached to the laptop for photo storage. I look around for Window replacement, but none of them look good or cheap. I check the Mac mini seems like it will fit
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A few things:

If your Macbook Air seems to be working for you, perhaps just stick with that at least for a while. (I love the form factor o fthe Air models and I owned several, though I don’t have one any more. The last one I had bogged down eventually running Adobe apps.) I do think that the 8GB of memory in your Air is not truly sufficient, and that you’d ultimately want more.

If you do want to update to a current Mac Mini, that can be a fine option for almost anyone doing photography work. I would increase your specs a bit though. 512GB of memory is quite minimal for photography and other work these days, and going forward you may well run out of space during the lifetime of the computer. I’d consider the 1TB option. (2TB is unlikely to be necessary if you are using attached storage for your files.)


I’d also go for more than 24GB of internal memory — I think that 48GB is currently the sweet spot. In particular, I see my Adobe products — especially Photoshop — happily sucking up over 30GB of memory after I use it a bit.

Do you need the PRO version of the M4 mini? That’s a good question and I don’t have a definitive answer. The non-PRO processors are actually pretty decent, and if you aren’t pushing the computer too hard they can work fine. I have the M4 PRO mini and it is plenty fast for some relatively serious Photoshop work.

I have not read the thread yet to know if this happens here, but you’ll often read people saying that you really need one of the (excellent) Mac Studio machines. They are excellent, but unless you are doing a lot of video, etc, or really need all of those extra ports… the mini is going to work great for photography processing.

My system these days is a M4 Pro mini with 2TB SSD (my needs are different than yours) and 48 GB memory, connected to several external storage systems (multiple 16B drive units) and a pair of Apple 27” monitors.

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