p.31 #1 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!
Jman13 wrote:
If you think $150 for a lens hood for a 35mm lens, and $250 for a small metal hotshoe thumb grip are acceptable prices, I don’t know what to tell you. The accessories are a greed driven pricing, not a tariff driven pricing. The hood should be included with the camera. It’s atrocious that a $5,100 camera doesn’t come with the lens hood. The thumb grip is similar to countless accessory thumb grips for cameras that are regularly between $8 and $50 (for the nice ones).
p.31 #2 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!
jmcy wrote:
The lens rendering is special for sure and I'm glad the optics haven't changed. However I wish they upgraded the AF motors. I'm curious if the lens can keep up with the improved AF algorithm so will have to wait for reviews to see. I'm also disappointed that the mk3 isn't fully weather sealed. With the mk2 I thought it was because of the popup EVF that it was not possible but now that it's no longer a popup, I wonder if the lens is the culprit.
I couldn't agree more with you, especially at this price point. Where do you think the weak points are where the elements like dust can enter?
p.31 #4 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!
tzhang4284 wrote:
Really feels like an internal political battle between product and marketing - e.g. Sony marketing must either not have wanted this camera or unhappy they were informed about it last minute so the campaigns seem half hearted and borderline intentional sabotaging. Compare this to the Fuji GFX marketing campaigns, you can clearly see a difference in effort and tone for a similarly tricky camera to market.
"Borderline intentional sabotaging" is a good way to describe the vibe.
p.31 #6 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!
Jman13 wrote:
If you think $150 for a lens hood for a 35mm lens, and $250 for a small metal hotshoe thumb grip are acceptable prices, I don’t know what to tell you. The accessories are a greed driven pricing, not a tariff driven pricing. The hood should be included with the camera. It’s atrocious that a $5,100 camera doesn’t come with the lens hood. The thumb grip is similar to countless accessory thumb grips for cameras that are regularly between $8 and $50 (for the nice ones).
Agree completely that the accessories are horribly overpriced.
Hoage makes a $17 lens hood for that lens.
The Sony thumb grip for this camera is spring-hinged to allow easy access to the Menu button. I did bite the bullet and order the thumb grip with the camera. I've never used a thumb grip before, not even on the RX1R II. For that one I use a third-party add-on front grip, which is quite nice.
p.31 #7 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!
Cloudbow wrote:
Agree completely that the accessories are horribly overpriced.
Hoage makes a $17 lens hood for that lens.
The Sony thumb grip for this camera is spring-hinged to allow easy access to the Menu button. I did bite the bullet and order the thumb grip with the camera. I've never used a thumb grip before, not even on the RX1R II. For that one I use a third-party add-on front grip, which is quite nice.
I tried all kinds of grip configs for the RX1R II. I ended up using the thumb grip only and it was perfect for the size of the camera
p.31 #9 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!
lsquare wrote:
I couldn't agree more with you, especially at this price point. Where do you think the weak points are where the elements like dust can enter?
pretty sure it is through the moving parts of the lens that the dust gets in, i didn't see any other obvious weak points disassembling it.
p.31 #12 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!
Do you think a simple UV filter will help with keeping dust out of the camera? Haven't owned an RX1 in the past, though I have had many fixed lens cameras.
sebboh wrote:
pretty sure it is through the moving parts of the lens that the dust gets in, i didn't see any other obvious weak points disassembling it.
p.31 #13 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!
Sharif Abdou wrote:
Do you think a simple UV filter will help with keeping dust out of the camera? Haven't owned an RX1 in the past, though I have had many fixed lens cameras.
i have an OG rx1 that had a filter on it for the first 8 or so years of it's life and it is still going without any dust spots that i have noticed, so maybe? the change in focus for macro mode involves movement outside what is covered by filter though.
p.31 #14 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!
Thanks for that.
sebboh wrote:
i have an OG rx1 that had a filter on it for the first 8 or so years of it's life and it is still going without any dust spots that i have noticed, so maybe? the change in focus for macro mode involves movement outside what is covered by filter though.
p.31 #16 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!
Sharif Abdou wrote:
Do you think a simple UV filter will help with keeping dust out of the camera? Haven't owned an RX1 in the past, though I have had many fixed lens cameras.
I think dust is a general term to describe anything that ends up on the sensor.
Canon stated years ago that they modified the plastic used in lens and body caps to minimise their use causing 'dust' on sensor.
ie, little bits of the plastic could wear off and end up on the sensor.
Again with Canon, 1DXII was renowned for splattering sensor with oil.
RX1RII has neither caps or a flapping mirror which needs lubricating with oil.
The lens has moving parts so does need lubricating.
Despite attempts to produce a camera with no internal 'dust', it's well known that brand new lenses often come with dust.
So there is no evidence whether any dust on sensor issues with previous RX1s were in fact dust that made it into the camera after manufacture or whether they were in the camera from new. Also no evidence it was dust, rather than some other material.
p.31 #18 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!
All good points.
Choderboy wrote:
I think dust is a general term to describe anything that ends up on the sensor.
Canon stated years ago that they modified the plastic used in lens and body caps to minimise their use causing 'dust' on sensor.
ie, little bits of the plastic could wear off and end up on the sensor.
Again with Canon, 1DXII was renowned for splattering sensor with oil.
RX1RII has neither caps or a flapping mirror which needs lubricating with oil.
The lens has moving parts so does need lubricating.
Despite attempts to produce a camera with no internal 'dust', it's well known that brand new lenses often come with dust.
So there is no evidence whether any dust on sensor issues with previous RX1s were in fact dust that made it into the camera after manufacture or whether they were in the camera from new. Also no evidence it was dust, rather than some other material.
p.31 #19 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!
lsquare wrote:
I couldn't agree more with you, especially at this price point. Where do you think the weak points are where the elements like dust can enter?
No one was able to say for sure. I've kept a filter on my RX1R II since day 1 of owning it, then taped up the mic ports at the top of the camera and the speaker grill at the bottom of the camera and have been OK.
p.31 #20 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!
Choderboy wrote:
I think dust is a general term to describe anything that ends up on the sensor.
Canon stated years ago that they modified the plastic used in lens and body caps to minimise their use causing 'dust' on sensor.
ie, little bits of the plastic could wear off and end up on the sensor.
Again with Canon, 1DXII was renowned for splattering sensor with oil.
RX1RII has neither caps or a flapping mirror which needs lubricating with oil.
The lens has moving parts so does need lubricating.
Despite attempts to produce a camera with no internal 'dust', it's well known that brand new lenses often come with dust.
So there is no evidence whether any dust on sensor issues with previous RX1s were in fact dust that made it into the camera after manufacture or whether they were in the camera from new. Also no evidence it was dust, rather than some other material. ...Show more →
given the design i'd be tempted to suspect dust is built into the camera, but they could probably minimize dust ingress by putting seals around where the rear element is mounted to the sensor frame. the rear element does not move and sits directly on top of the sensor attached to the sensor frame.
here is the lens in place with the sensor removed:
here is the lens with mounting bracket in place:
and here is a view of the sensor in camera that shows where that giant rear element attaches:
even without gaskets around that mount point it seems pretty hard for dust to get in there. maybe the dust problems could be from dust settling on the front surface of the rear element though?
