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p.2 #1 · Light Lens Lab 50mm f/1.5 Z21 Review


Marke, The only real and seemingly primary difference between the Angenieux S21 50 1.5 lens I bought from our mutual friend John from his Leica shop in Dearborn MI, is this original Angenieux lens produces colors that appear to be a far bit more pastel and "French" in tone and not as precise and accurate in tones as yours and Fred's photographs appear. Is this due to more modern coatings or could it even be from slight differences in the glass elements? The out of focus rendering appears very similar and subjectively to me extremely desirable, so when I get my copy this week it will be more the color comparisons than the rendering which I will initially be focussing on. I really like both your samples and Fred's so personally I feel there is real hope that this new lens from Light Lens Lab will provide many of us a fresh canvas to explore our creativity with our reportage Leica M bodies.


Jul 15, 2025 at 09:13 PM
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p.2 #2 · Light Lens Lab 50mm f/1.5 Z21 Review


Mark, my first thought when I read your earlier comment about “French color”, was that it could possibly be a difference in contrast? If so, coatings could be a potential culprit.
If your original S21 lens renders colors similar to a Summilux v1 or a Summarit f1.5, which certainly render very pastel ( or at least my copies do), maybe it’s at least an expression/ evidence of very low contrast…

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Jul 15, 2025 at 09:26 PM
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p.2 #3 · Light Lens Lab 50mm f/1.5 Z21 Review


Mine is coming via UPS from Canada so I assume there still will be added charges. Will know soon.


Jul 16, 2025 at 06:34 AM
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p.2 #4 · Light Lens Lab 50mm f/1.5 Z21 Review



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Samples 3: Late afternoon with M10-P

All images were taken wide open at f/1.5 under varying lighting conditions and subject distances.

Post-processing was kept minimal -- just a bit of sharpening and slight exposure tweaks. I used the Adobe Standard profile to better highlight the lens's natural color rendering.

I originally planned to dive straight into testing the lens for resolution and other technical traits, but honestly, I've just been having too much fun shooting with it.

That said, not to worry, I'll still be testing the lens thoroughly for resolution, distortion, coma, and more.




  LEICA M10-P    Light Lens Lab 50mm f/1.5 Z21 lens    50mm    1/4000s    200 ISO    -0.7 EV  






  LEICA M10-P    Light Lens Lab 50mm f/1.5 Z21 lens    50mm    1/800s    200 ISO    -0.7 EV  






  LEICA M10-P    Light Lens Lab 50mm f/1.5 Z21 lens    50mm    1/4000s    200 ISO    -0.7 EV  






  LEICA M10-P    Light Lens Lab 50mm f/1.5 Z21 lens    50mm    1/4000s    200 ISO    -0.7 EV  






  LEICA M10-P    Light Lens Lab 50mm f/1.5 Z21 lens    50mm    1/4000s    200 ISO    -0.7 EV  






  LEICA M10-P    Light Lens Lab 50mm f/1.5 Z21 lens    50mm    1/4000s    200 ISO    -0.7 EV  






  LEICA M10-P    Light Lens Lab 50mm f/1.5 Z21 lens    50mm    1/3200s    200 ISO    -0.7 EV  
















  LEICA M10-P    Light Lens Lab 50mm f/1.5 Z21 lens    50mm    1/4000s    200 ISO    -0.7 EV  




Jul 16, 2025 at 06:44 PM
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p.2 #5 · Light Lens Lab 50mm f/1.5 Z21 Review


After shooting with the Light Lens Lab 50mm f/1.5 Z21 for a few days, I got a clearer feel for how the lens performs and where it truly shines. I also realized that some compositions don't quite suit my personal shooting style when using this lens.

I usually frame my subject near the center and prefer pairing the lens with a higher MP body like the M10-R. This approach limits how I can compose scenes, but it also becomes a creative constraint that helps me see the world differently. When I want an off-center composition, I would prefer to crop slightly in post than use focus-and-recompose. That's because as you move toward or beyond the rule-of-thirds area, there's a noticeable drop in resolution/contrast and an increase in astigmatism.

I also avoid shooting subjects that span from the center to the edges while staying on the same focal plane. In those situations, the falloff in sharpness and contrast becomes quite noticeable and, in my view, a bit distracting (see example below). There's also pronounced outward field curvature at mid-distance that adds to that effect. You will notice in the image below that both the center and the very top corners are within the plane of focus, while the areas in between fall out..

Overall, I find the Z21 performs best when the subject is centered and doesn't extend too far outward. When that's the case, the natural drop-off in resolution and contrast actually helps with subject separation...almost working like an additional layer of blur to isolate the center more effectively.




Here's an example of the kind of compositions I usually avoid with this lens.

  LEICA M10-R    Light Lens Lab 50mm f/1.5 Z21 lens    50mm    1/2000s    100 ISO    -0.7 EV  




Jul 17, 2025 at 10:16 AM
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p.2 #6 · Light Lens Lab 50mm f/1.5 Z21 Review


I bet if someone posted some photos taken with a cheap Minolta MD 50mm f1.4 and said that this is some special, rather expensive Leica lens, there also will be people who defend the bokeh and rendering as really special and the lens as "worth the price".

There is much bullshit around, just like in the HiFi realm where old dudes with too much money believe that their golden USB cables sound significantly better.



Jul 17, 2025 at 11:16 AM
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p.2 #7 · Light Lens Lab 50mm f/1.5 Z21 Review


Not a big fan of this lens.
It looks like toy tilt shift filter while shooting in wide open



Jul 17, 2025 at 11:25 AM
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p.2 #8 · Light Lens Lab 50mm f/1.5 Z21 Review


Does someone have a LLL1966 and the Z21 both being faster vintage lens clones and comment on it or better a photo or two same subject ?


Jul 17, 2025 at 12:15 PM
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p.2 #9 · Light Lens Lab 50mm f/1.5 Z21 Review


EMH2025 wrote:
Does someone have a LLL1966 and the Z21 both being faster vintage lens clones and comment on it or better a photo or two same subject ?


I have both lenses and will probably do a rendering comparison between them.







Jul 17, 2025 at 12:41 PM
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p.2 #10 · Light Lens Lab 50mm f/1.5 Z21 Review


This review compares the LLL Z21 and the Angenieux S21: https://tahusa.co/lens-review/light-lens-lab-50mm-f-1-5-type-z21-review-struggling-to-capture-its-charm/

As you can see from the comparison, the Z21 has greater contrast and sharpness than the S21. And I think that's bad. LLL, trying to improve these qualities, are following the path of Sigma, and as a result, you get a picture in which insignificant small details are brought to the foreground, which destroy the integral image created by vintage film optics.

The S21 does not push out small details, but it does not lose detail either. Small details are covered with a delicate veil that has nothing to do with blurriness. This characteristic of the lens should not have been removed. The S21 picture looks more harmonious, while the Z21 tears the integral image with exaggerated contrast and sharpness, right up to the appearance of moire.

When lens manufacturers realize what makes an image more artistic, then they will stop chasing sharpness. In the meantime, we have what we have.

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Below you can find out what qualities artistic photography should have according to the famous Soviet artist Ilya Repin (1844-1930).

Ilya Repin on Photography as an Art (P. Lelyukhin. Magazine "Soviet Photo" No. 14, 1938)

It would be of interest to Soviet readers to read the statements of the famous Russian artist Ilya Repin on photography and on the conditions under which photography can be recognized as art.

In order to preserve the true meaning of his judgments as fully as possible, I will allow myself to reproduce the very setting of one of the conversations, during which the great artist expressed his attitude to photography with extraordinary clarity and vividness.

Repin examined a number of photographs, giving one or another comment on those that attracted his attention.

Finally, it was the turn of one landscape. The picture depicted
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p.2 #11 · Light Lens Lab 50mm f/1.5 Z21 Review


Received my BP version Z21 today from Canada.
Now do I try to use it with a Black Diffusion 1/4 filter?

Some might say why? But I say why not.



Jul 17, 2025 at 04:23 PM
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Listopad44 wrote:
This review compares the LLL Z21 and the Angenieux S21: https://tahusa.co/lens-review/light-lens-lab-50mm-f-1-5-type-z21-review-struggling-to-capture-its-charm/

As you can see from the comparison, the Z21 has greater contrast and sharpness than the S21. And I think that's bad. LLL, trying to improve these qualities, are following the path of Sigma, and as a result, you get a picture in which insignificant small details are brought to the foreground, which destroy the integral image created by vintage film optics.

The S21 does not push out small details, but it does not lose detail either. Small details are covered with a delicate veil that has nothing to do
...Show more

interesting.......Reading this I am thinking I ought to capture some photos with a Jupiter 8 sonnar and so some comparisons with some of the modern clones of vintage lenses...... ! Might have to put that on the agenda soon.




Jul 17, 2025 at 09:28 PM
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p.2 #13 · Light Lens Lab 50mm f/1.5 Z21 Review


Which picture looks more artistic? Cooke (top). Which picture is sharper and has more contrast? Sigma (bottom). If you are an artist, do not judge lenses only by sharpness tests, especially by crops. Judge the whole image.







Jul 18, 2025 at 08:14 AM
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Listopad44 wrote:
This review compares the LLL Z21 and the Angenieux S21: https://tahusa.co/lens-review/light-lens-lab-50mm-f-1-5-type-z21-review-struggling-to-capture-its-charm/

As you can see from the comparison, the Z21 has greater contrast and sharpness than the S21. And I think that's bad. LLL, trying to improve these qualities, are following the path of Sigma, and as a result, you get a picture in which insignificant small details are brought to the foreground, which destroy the integral image created by vintage film optics.

The S21 does not push out small details, but it does not lose detail either. Small details are covered with a delicate veil that has nothing to do
...Show more

I know that the majority likely disagrees, but this is exactly why, when I had both the Voigtlander 50/1 Nokton and the Leica Noctilux 50/1, I clearly preferred the Noctilux. It had nothing to do with blind brand loyalty. And why, after buying the TTArtisan 75/1.5 and comparing it to my pre-war CZJ Biotar 75/1.5, with many more examples than I posted here, I sold the TTArtisan and send the Biotar to Kanto camera for a CLA. And why, after exhaustively looking at image comparisons from the LLL 50/2 Rigid clone to the original Leica Rigid, I bought an original Rigid instead of the LLL, And why, after looking at LLL early promo comparisons of the LLL Z21 and the Angenieux S21, iI knew I didn’t want either one, but would have preferred the Angenieux in any case. The differences may be subtle, but the resulting “look” isn’t always subtle. IMO.

Maybe the LLL 50/1.2 Noctilux clone avoided the temptation of being sharper and contrastier than the original, not sure.

People like what they like and make purchases based on their goals, hopefully, and it’s all well and good either way. Speaking only for myself, the goal of most of the recreations, excellent in their own way, remind me of Nathaniel Hawthorne’s “The Birthmark”. Maybe the small “improvements” kill the one thing that made the originals so uniquely loved in the first place.



Jul 18, 2025 at 08:59 AM
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p.2 #15 · Light Lens Lab 50mm f/1.5 Z21 Review


There are some interesting discussions going on there about what’s a photo, what’s a picture and what’s an image and what are the objective qualities of one or the other.
The lens is not an easy one but I feel it’s got a ton of potential.
A few practice shots.



























Jul 18, 2025 at 09:10 AM
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I worked at a motion picture camera rental house in LA at the launch of the viable digital cinema camera era. Throughout most of 2007, the ARRI ST/LT where the top-of-the-line cameras. They cost as much as a house (well, maybe not in LA, but a house in most of the US). The most in-demand lenses were Cooke S4's and ARRI/Zeiss Ultra and Master Primes. On film, the performance of those lenses was stellar. People made art. Then, in late 2007/early 2008 the Red One launched and it only cost as much as a nice car and suddenly every DP had to reconsider what lenses they wanted. Digital, even at that early stage, was sharper than film. Master Primes became passé; Speed Panchros, Super Speeds and Super Baltars became the rage.

My point, I guess is, a part of photography-as-art is pragmatism (and also fashion) which is informed by a variety of factors (not least of which is recording media). As a person that (basically) only shoots film, I would prefer the slightly sharper version of a lens over the softer vintage correct counterpart as the media that I use inherently limits the perception of sharpness.

A small example - I have the LLL '1966' and it's basically too soft to reliably use on film. I also have the Voigtlander 50mm f/1 and its film results are fantastic. But, (in the rare instance) when I shoot on digital, I much prefer the look I get from the LLL. As for the LLL Z21, I like the look enough, but I get the feeling that shooting it with a film M might frustrate me. YMMV.

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Jul 18, 2025 at 09:21 AM
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p.2 #17 · Light Lens Lab 50mm f/1.5 Z21 Review


_jim_
Very good points about using a lens on digital vs film. I mix it up with Leica lenses, but not with other brands as I use them as you describe.

Nevertheless, excellent food for thought. Thanks.



Jul 18, 2025 at 10:01 AM
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p.2 #18 · Light Lens Lab 50mm f/1.5 Z21 Review


M11, LLL z21







Jul 18, 2025 at 10:11 AM
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I noticed that the Z21 has significantly more chromatic aberrations than the S21. They appear not only against very bright areas of the image, such as the sky, a sunlit wall, but even against a white, not very bright sheet of paper. The blue fringing around the black lines and text in the test images really spoils the picture.






Jul 18, 2025 at 10:45 AM
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Listopad44 wrote:
Which picture looks more artistic? Cooke (top). Which picture is sharper and has more contrast? Sigma (bottom). If you are an artist, do not judge lenses only by sharpness tests, especially by crops. Judge the whole image.

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5a955f5bc3c16a47b6ff5ddc/1525278536612-931R6UP94GU4CWVY5UBJ/Cooke_Speed_Panchro_Minco_van_der_Weide.jpg
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5a955f5bc3c16a47b6ff5ddc/1525278533990-BPE60ZXC5LYQ0A2I3NRX/Sigma_ART_Minco_van_der_Weide.jpg
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5a955f5bc3c16a47b6ff5ddc/1525281847916-YD07NIVD48KD9BHDS98F/Cooke_Speed_Panchro_2_Minco_van_der_Weide.jpg
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5a955f5bc3c16a47b6ff5ddc/1525281622172-CFC9HZXJW5TW6X40L4NQ/Sigma_ART_2_Minco_van_der_Weide.jpg


I think the LLL 50/2 Speed Panchro II captures the spirit of the Cooke character, but it's not an exact optical match. From the comparisons I've seen, the LLL lens offers similarly warm, reddish tones and that signature glow many associate with the classic Cooke look.

I'll post a resolution comparison between the LLL 50/2 Speed Panchro II and the LLL 50/1.5 Z21, but I can already say they look very different. The SP2 has much flatter field curvature and more consistent performance across the entire frame. It's one of the only "classic" lenses I own that resolves well at the center, mid-field, and corners. The evenness is impressive, even though contrast remains low, which is part of the lens's character. On the other hand, lenses like the Z21 and "f/1.2 1966" show much more field curvature and dips in resolution throughout the frame.

From the images you posted above, I definitely prefer the look of the "Cooke" over the modern Sigma.



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