Interesting discussion on the differences between the various dials. And maybe it’s biased by the age of the photographer. I retired now so I’m old enough to have learned to shoot with an aperture ring and shutter speed dial. I’ve gotten used to the ISO dial but admit I remember the old days when you set it once when you loaded the film into the camera and it stayed fixed for the entire roll. So I got very used to setting up via the menu even on my Canons and Nikons. These days I more likely to use Auto ISO with a narrower range like 100 - 800 if I can get away with it. The EC gives me the capability to flex that range if I need to.
These days I shoot mostly Sony and adding back in Fuji so the aperture ring and EC are common controls and Aperture Priority is really similar.
I like having the physical ISO dial because using the front command dial feels like mental gymnastics. On cameras with a dedicated ISO button but no dial, it's a little less mental overhead. Fujifilm's front command dial operation has always been too complicated, IMO.
I have ISO as a Q menu item, easier than the button or dial on either the retro or contemporary cams.
Edit. I just discovered you cannot add ISO to the Q menu on the XT4. Don’t know on XT5? So it’s a MY menu item. Idiotic how Fuji handicaps the XT line for modern usability. The more I use the retro UI, the more I hate it, even though the camera looks cool. 🤷🏼
swldstn wrote:
Interesting discussion on the differences between the various dials. And maybe it’s biased by the age of the photographer. I retired now so I’m old enough to have learned to shoot with an aperture ring and shutter speed dial. I’ve gotten used to the ISO dial but admit I remember the old days when you set it once when you loaded the film into the camera and it stayed fixed for the entire roll. So I got very used to setting up via the menu even on my Canons and Nikons. These days I more likely to use Auto ISO with a narrower range like 100 - 800 if I can get away with it. The EC gives me the capability to flex that range if I need to.
These days I shoot mostly Sony and adding back in Fuji so the aperture ring and EC are common controls and Aperture Priority is really similar....Show more →
You have me beat by a few years, I'm guessing. But same here, mainly aperture priority with controlled auto ISO.
So as I said earlier I’m currently in the school where a lenses aperture ring and a shutter speed dial are the two major controls I need and the A for aperture priority on the Shutter Speed dial gets used a lot. That is why the X-T5 with a full ISO dial and X-E5 are both cameras I can adapt and use together I think. Don’t have an X-E5 to prove that yet but I’m hoping it will.
My current plan now that I have gotten used to the X-T5 is to keep both the X-T5 and X-E5 so I have two cameras to travel with if needed. One lighter than the other if I only want one casual shooting on a specific day. My biggest complaint I think will be the incompatibility of the two batteries systems. Will have to see. As far as lenses go I’m keeping them all small with ones that will fit with either body like the 16/2.8, 23/2, 35/2, and 50/2. Did also pick up the 16-50/2.8-4.8 light zoom when I don’t want to switch lenses during the day or I’m out with family where they have zero patience for stopping to let me switch focal lengths. Will see how this works out.
Jack Flesher wrote:
I have ISO as a Q menu item, easier than the button or dial on either the retro or contemporary cams.
Edit. I just discovered you cannot add ISO to the Q menu on the XT4. Don’t know on XT5? So it’s a MY menu item. Idiotic how Fuji handicaps the XT line for modern usability. The more I use the retro UI, the more I hate it, even though the camera looks cool. 🤷🏼
I guess somebody at Fuji thought that with a big ole ISO dial on top, that this is the way you would change ISO if you were buying an X-T body. Especially when the shooter has owned one before and this should in no way be a surprise
Jack Flesher wrote:
The Exposure comp dial on the XT is useless. Turn it into a psam and the XT’s biggest problem is solved. Adjusing aperture and exposure comp with command wheels is more natural and faster than using a dial and lens ring.
It's a PASM dial that is useless on a Fuji as SS and A can easily be set to auto individually, as can ISO. Ec works just the same and as well on my Xt5 as it does on the older models, and is easily used if you only have ISO set to Auto
Jack Flesher wrote:
I have ISO as a Q menu item, easier than the button or dial on either the retro or contemporary cams.
Edit. I just discovered you cannot add ISO to the Q menu on the XT4. Don’t know on XT5? So it’s a MY menu item. Idiotic how Fuji handicaps the XT line for modern usability. The more I use the retro UI, the more I hate it, even though the camera looks cool. 🤷🏼
I have no idea to which other parameters this may relevant, but on my old XPro2 when shooting with the original 27mm f/2.8 — which had no aperture ring — I mapped one of the dials to control aperture.
It worked OK, though it always caused me to pause for a second to remember which dial to use since my other lenses all had aperture rings. But there was one other problem. When adjusted this way the camera would forget that aperture selection if I turned it off and back on... so I had to remember to set it again each time I started the camera.
Regarding adding ISO to the Q menu on the XT5, I can tell you that it is not one of the default settings. Can you add it? I don't know — I've never thought of doing that since there's an ISO knob on the camera!
I wonder how many people would want to change ISO via the Q menu on the XT5? Given that the knob controls it, I don't understand why you would want that. (I'll admit that I might be missing something, so fill me in,) The other issue, of course is that if were to change ISO on the Q menu, it would no longer match the ISO on the dial — and for those of us who look to the manual controls for this information (along with shutter speed, aperture, EC) even when the camera is powered down that would be a problem.
I guess one plus of an alternative method for chaniging ISO would be that it could be less awkward to do it with your eye to the viewfinder, though that's not a typical scenario for me, even with fast-moving stuff like street photography.
SGinNorcal wrote:
I guess somebody at Fuji thought that with a big ole ISO dial on top, that this is the way you would change ISO if you were buying an X-T body. Especially when the shooter has owned one before and this should in no way be a surprise
BUT -- you cannot access the 3 separate "Auto ISO" settings from that top dial, while you CAN from the Q menu...
gyoung143 wrote:
It's a PASM dial that is useless on a Fuji as SS and A can easily be set to auto individually, as can ISO. Ec works just the same and as well on my Xt5 as it does on the older models, and is easily used if you only have ISO set to Auto
Gerry
Except I can more easily engage the EC adjustment from my rear thumb. M plus Auto ISO is harder to engage on an XT, requiring multiple buttons and menu option changes. It's one twist on a MASP cam.
gdanmitchell wrote:
I have no idea to which other parameters this may relevant, but on my old XPro2 when shooting with the original 27mm f/2.8 — which had no aperture ring — I mapped one of the dials to control aperture.
It worked OK, though it always caused me to pause for a second to remember which dial to use since my other lenses all had aperture rings. But there was one other problem. When adjusted this way the camera would forget that aperture selection if I turned it off and back on... so I had to remember to set it again each time I started the camera.
Regarding adding ISO to the Q menu on the XT5, I can tell you that it is not one of the default settings. Can you add it? I don't know — I've never thought of doing that since there's an ISO knob on the camera!
I wonder how many people would want to change ISO via the Q menu on the XT5? Given that the knob controls it, I don't understand why you would want that. (I'll admit that I might be missing something, so fill me in,) The other issue, of course is that if were to change ISO on the Q menu, it would no longer match the ISO on the dial — and for those of us who look to the manual controls for this information (along with shutter speed, aperture, EC) even when the camera is powered down that would be a problem.
I guess one plus of an alternative method for chaniging ISO would be that it could be less awkward to do it with your eye to the viewfinder, though that's not a typical scenario for me, even with fast-moving stuff like street photography.
I love the idea of the X-E5 to replace my X-T5 and X100VI with a single camera, but there are a few fairly big items that I don't think I can leave behind:
X-T5
- 3-way tilt screen
- weather sealing
- better viewfinder
- battery life is substantially better, I am impressed with how long it can go between charges
X100VI would be an easier camera to live without, as while the leaf shutter and ND filter are the standout features that are fun and sometimes useful, they aren't vitally important to how I shoot. That being said, I wouldn't swap it for the X-E5 in this case just for ILC capability, since I already have the X-T5 for that. So yeah, the X-E5 just doesn't quite get there for me, if it had been weather sealed + 3-way tilt screen, it'd have been an instant-buy.
MatthewK wrote:
I love the idea of the X-E5 to replace my X-T5 and X100VI with a single camera, but there are a few fairly big items that I don't think I can leave behind:
X-T5
- 3-way tilt screen
- weather sealing
- better viewfinder
- battery life is substantially better, I am impressed with how long it can go between charges
X100VI would be an easier camera to live without, as while the leaf shutter and ND filter are the standout features that are fun and sometimes useful, they aren't vitally important to how I shoot. That being said, I wouldn't swap it for the X-E5 in this case just for ILC capability, since I already have the X-T5 for that. So yeah, the X-E5 just doesn't quite get there for me, if it had been weather sealed + 3-way tilt screen, it'd have been an instant-buy. ...Show more →
While all those would have been great, the way I'll use the X-E5, they won't really matter. Nor will any limitation on how you set the ISO range for auto ISO. Auto ISO, auto SS, controlling aperture, and exposure compensation will be 80% maybe 85% of how I will use the X-E5 with different film sims.
When I'm shooting something that needs SS priority, weather sealing, or long battery life, I have the OM-1 mkII. It also has good bird, animal, and auto recognition. Which coincidentally are when I tend to need to shoot in SS priority.
I have an XE-3 and I am considering upgrading to an XT-5. I currently use only manual focus lenses, and I would like a better viewfinder along with a dedicated ISO dial. I also tried the XH-2, but it doesn’t feel comfortable in my hand. The way the camera handles is very important to me. I also enjoy the Classic Chrome film simulation, which is why I ruled out Nikon — I am not satisfied with its color output.
Jack Flesher wrote:
Except I can more easily engage the EC adjustment from my rear thumb. M plus Auto ISO is harder to engage on an XT, requiring multiple buttons and menu option changes. It's one twist on a MASP cam.
I use the rear thumb wheel for intermediate shutter speeds (I think that's the default setting). I normally use manual SS and A with auto iso and find the third stop shutter speed adjustment useful. The front wheel does apertures on lenses without aperture rings, mainly Nikon ones via a Fringer adapter, and that is the same as when using Nikon so no confusion .
I only use one auto iso setting, and it's easily disengaged on the odd occasion I want to on the SS dial.
MatthewK wrote:
I love the idea of the X-E5 to replace my X-T5 and X100VI with a single camera, but there are a few fairly big items that I don't think I can leave behind:
X-T5
- 3-way tilt screen
- weather sealing
- better viewfinder
- battery life is substantially better, I am impressed with how long it can go between charges
X100VI would be an easier camera to live without, as while the leaf shutter and ND filter are the standout features that are fun and sometimes useful, they aren't vitally important to how I shoot. That being said, I wouldn't swap it for the X-E5 in this case just for ILC capability, since I already have the X-T5 for that. So yeah, the X-E5 just doesn't quite get there for me, if it had been weather sealed + 3-way tilt screen, it'd have been an instant-buy. ...Show more →
As I was handling myXT5 today, equipped with the 27mm pancake which is about the same size as the 23mm pancake, I was reminded again that it is already a very small camera. Yes, the XE5 (along with the X100vi) is smaller, but you give things up to get that smaller size. If those things don’t matter to you, that can be a fine trade-off. But if they do — and they do for me — the slightly larger size of this still-small camera is small price to pay.
gdanmitchell wrote:
As I was handling myXT5 today, equipped with the 27mm pancake which is about the same size as the 23mm pancake, I was reminded again that it is already a very small camera. Yes, the XE5 (along with the X100vi) is smaller, but you give things up to get that smaller size. If those things don’t matter to you, that can be a fine trade-off. But if they do — and they do for me — the slightly larger size of this still-small camera is small price to pay.
I've got the XT4, the X100V and now the XE5 all in hand.
I think the XE5 is noticeably more compact than the XT4. It's in the height (the dials protruding from the top plate along with the SLR-style bump), the depth (thickness) and the weight.
But yes you do give things up. For me it's the battery life and the viewfinder. I'm still trying to decide how I feel about the XE5 viewfinder. It's noticeably smaller compared to the XT4 (which itself is even less magnified than the XT5). I wonder if there will eventually be demand for a 3rd party viewfinder magnifier given the popularity of the X100 and XE series.
That being said, eventually one just gets accustomed to the tools that they have. A couple days shooting with the smaller X100V's viewfinder and you don't even really notice it. Some people might even like it.
mdude85 wrote:
I've got the XT4, the X100V and now the XE5 all in hand.
I think the XE5 is noticeably more compact than the XT4. It's in the height (the dials protruding from the top plate along with the SLR-style bump), the depth (thickness) and the weight.
But yes you do give things up. For me it's the battery life and the viewfinder. I'm still trying to decide how I feel about the XE5 viewfinder. It's noticeably smaller compared to the XT4 (which itself is even less magnified than the XT5).
That being said, eventually one just gets accustomed to the tools that they have. A couple days shooting with the smaller X100V's viewfinder and you don't even really notice it. Some people might even like it. ...Show more →
I was all over the XE5 until I saw the EVF specs -- I knew it would not be suitable for me. Really too bad -- had Fuji made the camera just a little bigger to accommodate a really good EVF, I would have been all over that camera and doubly so if they couyld have somehow accommodated the larger battery at no further size expense.
