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Trading M11 + two M9s for M10r + M10m ?

  
 
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p.1 #1 · Trading M11 + two M9s for M10r + M10m ?


Hi all,

I'm torn on this. It looks like I have the option to trade my M-E 220, M9, and an M11 for an M10r and M10m. (or possibly trade the 2 M9s for one, or vice-versa). I love the M9s and have a hard time parting with them. But then again, I seem to get attached to most cameras.

Is this a trade you'd do?

Also what's everyone's consensus on the M11m vs M10m? I know the default curves are much flatter on the M11m but that should be an easy fix. I've also been eyeing the Q2m... sigh.



Jun 30, 2025 at 01:10 PM
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p.1 #2 · Trading M11 + two M9s for M10r + M10m ?


I had a M10:before I sold it and got the M11. I can’t imagine going back to the M10, but that’s me.


Jun 30, 2025 at 02:34 PM
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p.1 #3 · Trading M11 + two M9s for M10r + M10m ?


M10R and M10M both go for about $5k on BS. M11 about low $6k and M9 $2.5k - 2.7k range. Assume all are like 9-9+ in condition. Lets not even talk about how you want to shoot, you lose some money. Not a good trade to me.


Jun 30, 2025 at 04:06 PM
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p.1 #4 · Trading M11 + two M9s for M10r + M10m ?


gordec wrote:
M10R and M10M both go for about $5k on BS. M11 about low $6k and M9 $2.5k - 2.7k range. Assume all are like 9-9+ in condition. Lets not even talk about how you want to shoot, you lose some money. Not a good trade to me.


My M11 is probably a bit under $6k (no box/manuals/extras). There would definitely be a little loss w/o some accessories or cash padding.



Jun 30, 2025 at 05:00 PM
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p.1 #5 · Trading M11 + two M9s for M10r + M10m ?


Be sure that some extra M10 batteries are part of the deal! Speculators, on the ”evil bay,” have discovered the Leica battery shortages, and are exploiting it, without mercy. A new battery for an M10-series or M Type 240-series will be listed for almost double the proper retail pricing.

The original M10 is where I started, with the M system, and is where I wish to remain, indefinitely, with no plans to migrate to the M11-series, so, an M10-R + M10 Monochrom would seem to be a “dream team,” but, I accumulated a number of extra M10 batteries, before the battery crisis.



Jun 30, 2025 at 06:48 PM
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p.1 #6 · Trading M11 + two M9s for M10r + M10m ?


M 10 is amazing. I have two that i use mainly for my pro work The M 10 Mono is one camera I will never let go unless I can no longer get service. I have no desire to go to the M 11. I bought a bunch of batteries when I bought my M 10s. Just bought another one last month when Leica had them back in stock and B&H had some a couple of weeks ago but i see they are out again. The M 10 series is the prefect digital M in my opinion.

I have had the M9 M-E, M 9 Mono and M 262. I have tried the M 11. All great cameras but the M 10 is just the perfect digital M in my opinion.



Jun 30, 2025 at 07:42 PM
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p.1 #7 · Trading M11 + two M9s for M10r + M10m ?


airfrogusmc wrote:
M 10 is amazing. I have two that i use mainly for my pro work The M 10 Mono is one camera I will never let go unless I can no longer get service. I have no desire to go to the M 11. I bought a bunch of batteries when I bought my M 10s. Just bought another one last month when Leica had them back in stock and B&H had some a couple of weeks ago but i see they are out again. The M 10 series is the prefect digital M in my opinion.

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Why though?

I was never seriously interested in Leica M digital before the M10 because I don't like fat camera bodies. But other than that, I don't see any advantage to the M10 over the M11 (now that the M11 problems have been resolved).



Jul 01, 2025 at 03:30 AM
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p.1 #8 · Trading M11 + two M9s for M10r + M10m ?


Durability and serviceability, for one. If you damage an M10 baseplate, you can buy another one. If you damage the bottom of your M11, you damage the body itself.

You also don’t have to worry about matching the battery finish to the body.

johnvanr wrote:
Why though?

I was never seriously interested in Leica M digital before the M10 because I don't like fat camera bodies. But other than that, I don't see any advantage to the M10 over the M11 (now that the M11 problems have been resolved).




Jul 01, 2025 at 05:21 AM
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johnvanr wrote:
Why though?

I was never seriously interested in Leica M digital before the M10 because I don't like fat camera bodies. But other than that, I don't see any advantage to the M10 over the M11 (now that the M11 problems have been resolved).


Here's why I choose the M 10 over the M 11. First the M 11 has stuff I don't want or need on it. I own a digital M because it ia a ttue rangefinder. I don't use EVF. To me it is no different from shooting with a DSLR or any other mirrorless camera. I have only used live view a couple of times in 8 years and that was when it was on a tripod. I rarely shoot on a tripod. I don't need an electronic shutter and I sure don't need 60 MPs. To me the M 11 is moving digital M to be just like everything else that is out there.The M 10 series is a real choice over all the other digital options already on the market. Nice to have a real choice. So for me it's as much about what it doesn't have as to what it does have.



Jul 01, 2025 at 06:38 AM
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p.1 #10 · Trading M11 + two M9s for M10r + M10m ?


I just cannot imagine buying a camera that cannot charge the battery, in-camera, any more. Carrying chargers when travelling or even getting one out to charge a battery is just so 2005.



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p.1 #11 · Trading M11 + two M9s for M10r + M10m ?


A few considerations come to mind.

First, you're starting to bring a dedicated mono camera into your fold, where you've not got that in your current three bodies. I'm "assuming" this is going to be your first monochrome camera. That said, I don't think the considerations for the finesse of nuance between the profiles in the M11 vs. M10M are worth really giving much weighting of consideration to.

Imo, the matter of your choices can be sliced / diced into a few different viewpoints. Figuring out which one matches your temperament will be the tricky part.

Still on the matter of the dedicated mono ... the Q2M, is an attractive rig, but now you're locked in to 28mm (which is fine, just different from an M10M) at 47MP. The shutter release on your M's has a very tactile feel to it. The Q (because it is a leaf shutter, which I dig) has a more electronic button feel to it (which I don't dig). Also, you'll be on an EVF (a nice one, imo in my Q2), instead of an RF.

Then, there's the prospect of the M246 for a dedicated mono. It is only 24MP (vs. 40MP of the M10M) for some lighter file sizes, and uses a larger battery than the M10 Series M's. The body is a bit thicker, but not terribly so. The sensor performance is just a smidge behind the M10M, but it's going to be significantly difference vs. your M9 ... you'd be splittin' hairs vs. the M10M (imo). Point being that if a dedicated mono is in your future, your choices of M11M, M10M, Q2M and M246 are on the table. For the price point of the M246 (vs. M10M / Q2M), it might be something to enter your discussion about a dedicated mono. To which, I think you have to ask yourself is that going to be your main workhorse, or an occasional use rig, in mono ... or a desire to dabble in new waters.

Moving on to the M10R (I have the M10R / Q2 / M246), it is a nice rig, and I'm not particularly drawn to the M11, but there are a couple diff's worth noting. The M10R will not have USB-C charging, and it is a bit smaller MP count ... same 40MP vs. 61MP discussion as above. The sensor profile will be a smidge different. Of course, if you are paired with the M10M, then your battery management is standardized. OTOH, if you keep your M11 (USB-Charging) and pair it with an M246, Q2M or M10M you'll have different batteries, but the USB-C charging will help offset the diff, a bit too.

At the end of the day ... I'd not look at what the value of the trade is. I'd look at what is your END GAME of where you WANT to be. If that is one for color, one for mono ... great. If that is I'd like like to play with mono for a bit, that's a different matter. If you want a fixed 28, that's one thing, too. Knowing what your end game is, will be key to assessing the value of the moves you make to get there.

I know Allen isn't keen on the M11. I've not got a strong desire for the M11. He's shooting the regular M10 (with his M10M) and I'm shooting the M10R with my M246. Each of us has one body that is color, one that is mono. The difference for Allen and I are that he has his 40MP in mono, 24MP in color. I have my 40MP in color, my 24MP in mono ... reversal from each other. His batteries are the same, mine are different, but my M246 does use a larger battery (splittin' hairs a bit).

For you ... what is the COMPELLING reason that you want to GET RID OF your M11?

Maybe, you should just consider sticking with your M11 and simply adding a dedicated mono. Which dedicated mono ... M246 (bargain entry), M10M, Q2M, M11M ... could vary. With your M11 USB-C charging, the matter of battery management for the pairing of M10R / M10M isn't crucial. An M10R / M10M pairing is a great match (both 40MP) and shared battery. But, the real question comes back to understanding what YOUR END GAME is desired to be. Or, are you simply exploring right now (been there, done that, might do it again).

M11 + M246
M11 + Q2M
M11 + M10M
M11 + M11M

M10R + M10M

I'm a fan of my M10R, but ... I'm still not sure I understand what the compelling reason for dumping your M11 is? The metering approach is different, as is the shutter mechanism, but is this a compelling problem that you've been experiencing from the M11? Folks can make all kinds of rationale for why they prefer one rig vs. another ... but, what is it about the M11 rig that is causing YOU grief? And, given that you've mentioned you like your M9's ... the M246 probably should be (imo) on your radar for a dedicated mono. Unless you want a Q ... M11 + M246 might be worth considering. Plenty of ways to skin this cat, just gotta think it through to where you want to be in the end.

Anyway, just some .02 brain fodder to toss on the fire.




Jul 01, 2025 at 07:18 AM
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p.1 #12 · Trading M11 + two M9s for M10r + M10m ?


No no I wouldn’t take the deal. The M9 is truly a special camera if you shoot color. While I haven’t shot with an M10R I do shoot with an SL2 and the M9 wins. The CCD color sensor has a certain sparkle and certain quality I am sure you see it too.


Jul 01, 2025 at 10:13 AM
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p.1 #13 · Trading M11 + two M9s for M10r + M10m ?


Excellent advice from Rustybug above. Right on target.

I have had M9, M240, and then got the M10M, which is a very super camera. Does everything right IMHO.
Looked at M11, and didn't care for the shutter, and added M10R for the "super combo" - color when you want it, better and more range in BW when you don't. I just can't imagine a better combo in the Leica world.

There are cameras out there with better sensors or range than the M10R, but it's fine for me, and does what it needs to do quite nicely. Feels like a real equal or improvement to the M2 which was the only camera for some 20+ years (film). Couldn't be happier.

Again, another .02$.



Jul 01, 2025 at 11:05 AM
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p.1 #14 · Trading M11 + two M9s for M10r + M10m ?


I make it short and simple - if you have a well working M11 where all bugs are either not present or were fixed, keep it. No reason to downgrade from the M11 to a M10-R just because the M11 has a bit more purple color cast which can be corrected in PP. I personally would upgrade currently rather to a M10-R instead of a M11 just for personal preference reasons - for example I like the more "old-fashioned" design with the base plate. But if I was handed a well working M11 instead, I wouldn't decline either.

The M-E 220 and the M9: there are collectors out there and people who are intrigued by this series. I am not. I tested the M9 years ago in a local photo store which had it for a decent prices as used version. The camera was not convincing to me for various reasons - I am glad I skipped on this one. If I were you, I would sell both cameras and vest either into a good MM 246 or M10M. Difference between both of the latter ones is mostly just ergonomics and high ISO performance. The M11M is another option, but I would disregard it now due to its high price point with less real benefits over predecessor monochrome versions.

Pretty much these two options are my recommendation:
M11 + M246
M11 + M10M



Jul 01, 2025 at 12:23 PM
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p.1 #15 · Trading M11 + two M9s for M10r + M10m ?


The M10 is a fine camera, always loved the colors comign out it. I started my Leica journey with a silver M10 then moved up to the M10-P w/ M10M, and now M11-D. I cannot go back to the whole battery + charger, it is so conveneint to charge on the camara while on the go. Also, I dont have to use ND filters on my lenses with the M11 platform, this is a big deal to me. Now, the M10M, that is a special body and one that every once in a while I lust over about gettign it back. In the end, like others have said, what is your end game. For me it was the digital worls but wanted to get as close as possible to the analog experience and my M11-D got me there with no glitches and an incredible array of upgrades from my previous M10 platform.

What I have discovered over the last few years, is that commitment to an instrument truly takes time and partience. Jumping around without a true compass can be a painful lesson. The mistakes that I have made (not saying you ar emaking one) has always led me back to my M digital and SL camera, between these two bodies I can do 95% of what I want to accomplish. Good luck w/ your decission.



Jul 01, 2025 at 01:59 PM
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ZdevilH1 wrote:
The M10 is a fine camera, always loved the colors comign out it. I started my Leica journey with a silver M10 then moved up to the M10-P w/ M10M, and now M11-D. I cannot go back to the whole battery + charger, it is so conveneint to charge on the camara while on the go. Also, I dont have to use ND filters on my lenses with the M11 platform, this is a big deal to me. Now, the M10M, that is a special body and one that every once in a while I lust over about gettign it
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Love this quote by Edward Weston:

"The fact is that relatively few photographers ever master their medium. Instead they allow the medium to master them and go on an endless squirrel cage chase from new lens to new paper to new developer to new gadget, never staying with one piece of equipment long enough to learn its full capacities, becoming lost in a maze of technical information that is of little or no use since they don't know what to do with it."-Edward Weston



Jul 02, 2025 at 06:58 AM
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p.1 #17 · Trading M11 + two M9s for M10r + M10m ?


airfrogusmc wrote:
Love this quote by Edward Weston:

"The fact is that relatively few photographers ever master their medium. Instead they allow the medium to master them and go on an endless squirrel cage chase from new lens to new paper to new developer to new gadget, never staying with one piece of equipment long enough to learn its full capacities, becoming lost in a maze of technical information that is of little or no use since they don't know what to do with it."-Edward Weston


Beautiful. We all have been part of this endless chase for gear. Thanks for sharing this quote.




Jul 02, 2025 at 09:07 AM
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p.1 #18 · Trading M11 + two M9s for M10r + M10m ?


Yes. We have all had gas. I think forums can give you gas or in some cases can be like a support group ha ha.


Jul 02, 2025 at 09:09 AM
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p.1 #19 · Trading M11 + two M9s for M10r + M10m ?


“Photography is an endless pursuit of new gear with occasional frivolous attempts at capturing meaningful images.” - Ansel Adams.


Jul 02, 2025 at 09:42 AM
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gordec wrote:
“Photography is an endless pursuit of new gear with occasional frivolous attempts at capturing meaningful images.” - Ansel Adams.


Ha ha.

And there is this by Adams
"Simplicity is a prime requisite The equipment of Alfred Stieglitz or Edward Weston represents less in cost and variety then many and amateur "can barley get along with"."-Ansel Adams

......the more complex a man's work becomes, the more efficient his equipment and and methods must be"-Ansel Adams

"Photographers have been led to make a fetish of equipment, and are falsely encouraged in superficial concepts and methods resulting in unfortunate misconceptions of basic potentialities of photography."-Ansel Adams



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