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zhangyue wrote:
It is highly depend on what you want to shoot. A single focal just won’t do if you shoot landscape but could be totally fine for street.
A single 24-105/120 will do for me in 95% but I never really enjoy using it. Ultimate flexibility sounds great on paper but always end up with less thought on composition by not changing to optimized perspective.
I faced similar struggle as Gordon to select gear for travel on not only which body to bring but also focal length and speed of the lenses simply because I also have too much gears. One
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Yes, the old habit of using a zoom lens only at its long and wide ends, at least my old habit.



Jul 01, 2025 at 04:04 AM
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There was a time when I would go on vacation I would pack my Hasselblad 500 C/Ms 2 of course and a 50, 80 and 180 lenses. And my Canon F-1s and a 24, 35, 50 and 85mm lenses. So two big bags for the two different kits. I now get photographs that look more like my photographs than I ver got taking all that stuff and it is a lot more enjoyable experience.

Heres my travel kit now. This and a couple of batteries and a charger. Talk about liberating.




Jul 01, 2025 at 06:48 AM
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Since I started photography 40 years ago, I find myself always preferring wider lenses in my photography and getting closer to the subject or the foreground motive. I own longer tele zoom lenses - bought over 15 years ago for my Canon DSLRs - which I used for bird/butterfly photography and planet/comets in the night sky. But the latter is more of a rare occasion for me - now I am using my tele zooms maybe once or twice a year only. In the last 10 years I have switched mostly over to the Leica M system since I like the compactness of lenses and fast manual focusing ability using the rangefinder. I am also using wider M or LTM-based lenses most commonly with my M cameras. My travel kit is either 21, 35, 75 mm or just 35 mm like most recently on my vacation in Europe. 50 mm is my preferred focal length in combination with my Leica M3 camera, but I use it less often these days while traveling.


Jul 01, 2025 at 07:08 AM
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I think photography can range from two different extremes and the OP has interestingly noted photographers some of which tend toward one extreme and some tend toward the other. Some of us tend toward one extreme whereas others tend toward the other extreme.

On one extreme, (I will call it creating) is about making an image that is consistent with the vision that one has. What airfrogusmc calls his vision. He is a wonderful example of someone who tends toward this extreme. He has a lovely vision and he simply wants to convey the vision or the image he has. When I am happiest in both the process of shooting and in my results I personally tend toward this extreme as well. Although I don't think my vision is nearly as compelling or moving as airfrogusmc's--I am huge fan of his images.

The other extreme, (I will call it capturing) is more about noticing what is out there in the world being inspired by it and wanting to record it. It is less about creating an image of one's vision and more about noticing what is out there and "getting," the image.

If you tend toward the creating extreme, you don't mind so much missing something unless it is explicitly part of your vision. You know there are lots of cool things that could be captured, but what really matters to you is getting what you want and missing other stuff is fine. You will shoot more deliberately to create the images you want. This approach can often lead to less and more focussed gear as you only need what creates your vision. Yeah, you could have a long telephoto but if that isn't part of your vision, why? You might have quite a bit of gear but each piece of gear is about how it can fulfill your vision.

If you tend toward the capturing extreme, you are going to want to have lots of coverage with your gear. You won't want your gear to leave holes, that might mean missing something you would have liked to capture. You may well want to have capabilities to shoot quickly, so you don't miss stuff in between shots, and silently so you don't disrupt the action. You might very well like zooms for their versatility, but you might like primes for the capabilities to capture images in lower light. You will be thrilled to get that image that was rare or how to get. You will hate it when you missed an image you wanted to capture.

Let me emphasize that I think both extremes has lots of merit. I love photographers at both extremes and some that are squarely in the middle--somebody like Cartier-Bresson who emphasized capturing the decisive moment brought both these extremes together.

Still I think where you fall on this continuum of creating images has big effects on what gear you choose to use. Personally as I realize more and more that I tend toward creating I am enjoy photography more. I need less gear. Even on a trip, it becomes more about creating images that are distilled memories of my trip and I don't worry if there are things that were cool that I didn't capture. I want powerful distilled images of what matters to me and captured my experience. Others can and should make other choices.



Jul 01, 2025 at 07:57 AM
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johnvanr wrote:
I don’t see documentary wedding work on Ascough’s site. I only know him from recent YT videos.


Yes, for some reason he seems to have taken his wedding photography site off-line. It used to be very extensive. You can still see many of the photographs if you just google "jeff ascough wedding phitography." Here are four to start you off.

https://www.worldsbestweddingphotos.com/photographer-interview-jeff-ascough-best-wedding-photographer-london

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora/photography/tips-and-solutions/im-not-a-wedding-photographer-a-conversation-with-jeff-ascough?msockid=0d448bef0e576f9d24219fc00a576d8e

Ihttps://www.bestofweddingphotography.com/jeff-ascough/

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=jeff+ascough+wedding&qpvt=jeff+ascough+wedding&form=IGRE&first=1

And here is his work, more like Moriyama's work, that he is currently emphasizing on his site:

https://www.jeffascough.com/monochrome-street




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To me there 4 kinds of photography trips I normally take:
1. Out of the house or back yard, but nearby. Walking or short car runs.
2. Travel out of town with my own car
3. Air travel and then in a rental car if moving about
4. Air travel walking in a city/area w/o rental car.

Like flash I get into crisis mode before a longer trip. I sometimes repack the bag 3 or 4 times right up to almost until leaving for the airport. Too much gear makes for too many combinations and choices.

All 4 kinds of travel involve different kits.
-Nearby-whatever gear I feel like that day including film.
-Travel with car about the same unless I take just about all my gear bodies with selected lenses and lots of film.
-Air travel is the most limiting for me-never take film, but try to take one system plus a Q camera.
If landscape specific, take 907x100C with 25V, 38V 135V +1.7x or SL3+SL3S when I deem longer lenses over 250mm might have merit, but still take from 12-24 or 21 to 400 + 1.4x and 2x.
-Air travel to a walking location. I might take a 2 Leica Monochrome with 1-5 lenses.18/24/35/50/90 especially if in a large city I like. If I imagine a colorful place then I would add 2 Leica M bodies. In a city walking environment I take a smallish bag with what I deem essential for that day-so as not to take all bodies and all lenses, but always a 24 or 35, 50 and 90.

This obviously can change and right now both Q cameras leave new opportunities open for perhaps less gear or sadly more gear.



Jul 01, 2025 at 09:08 AM
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One advantage of owning a minimum of equipment is that I never experience travel equipment crisis mode.

How lucky am I?




Jul 01, 2025 at 09:24 AM
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KLaban wrote:
One advantage of owning a minimum of equipment is that I never experience travel equipment crisis mode.

How lucky am I?



Not lucky I say.



Jul 01, 2025 at 10:59 AM
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Event Coverage

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Your personal engagement / purview of the world


I appreciate this distinction. Event coverage can be further defined as whether it's for a client or yourself. If for a client, have they hired you to work to their standards/requirements, or have they hired you based on your 'style?'

Event coverage can imply packing everything and the kitchen sink, just in case. For me, for typical 'social' events, I've distilled the gear I carry down to a 28-70/2 with which to emulate the look I like from fast primes, but without the hassle of frequent lens changes. Because I am a frequent lens changer when shooting primes (for example with a Leica M kit). The zoom lets me work fast in dynamic situations to maximize coverage. On the tele end I will use a second body with either a 135 prime or 70-200, depending on the situation. This is additionally augmented by a compact UWA prime for those rare 1-2% use cases when 28mm isn't wide enough. This works for me because it's a kit that I feel works fluidly, where I can just concentrate/focus on what's happening in front of me without thinking too much about gear. I don't think using zooms is a cop out.

For personal work, I may still bring a range of lenses. For example with the Leica M, it will be 21, 28, 50 and 90. But often I find on a given day that I will use one or two more than the rest. It just depends on how I'm 'seeing' the environment around me. And there have been days when the most used lens was the 90. But usually it's either 28 or 50. During the 2010s this was my primary travel kit and I didn't really miss not having longer than 90mm. I'm sure I 'missed' shots best done with 200 or 300mm, but that wasn't what I was looking for.

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johnvanr wrote:
David Allen Harvey once shot Formula 1 with his Leica M kit. That's an obvious prior choice, for example. Not sure I could do that.


When I was younger I covered F1 for 4 months of one season. All except one of the races were credentialed, so going into those it was the usual set of 2.8 zooms and a super-tele. And as such, the images were the usual range of 'car portraits' or trying to get something interesting of the drivers while they made their way through the paddock area (didn't have pit lane access while cars were on the track). This was a situation of producing work for the needs of others, because it was the only way for me to cover such an event. The one non-credentialed race though was a different approach with just a WA zoom and 70-200. I just wandered around the general admission areas and shot what I could of the on-track action. But in hindsight, I should have totally ignored that aspect and focused more on the spectators and the 'character' they brought to the event. This was early in my photography and admittedly, that weekend I was disappointed at not being credentialed and 'missing out' on ideal track-side race action coverage. In hindsight, I didn't fully appreciate the opportunity this presented to document the spectator side of the F1 experience. I did shoot some of that that weekend, but didn't really embrace it. Looking back, this is where going in with a Leica M kit, or similar range of lenses, would totally make sense. And it would work on the credentialed side too, if you accepted not getting the typical long lens 'car portrait' shots (equivalent to bird portraits on the forum here ). But other car-on-track shots would certainly still be possible with an M, plus all the stuff going on in the paddock and pits (if you had access), plus on the spectator side. It's really just a matter of adapting coverage to what works for that limited range of focal lengths. I think for me it's just a matter of accepting that this is what I have to work with and finding/seeing compelling images within that range. As someone else already mentioned, there is virtually always something to photograph, whatever the lens choice. For me it's a matter of filtering out compositions that require lenses I don't have with me and zoning in on what I can work with. And if it's personal work then really there is no one else to satisfy other than yourself, meaning the consequences of 'failure' are purely a learning experience and not what they would be with a paying client.



Jul 01, 2025 at 11:27 AM
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My pro work I approach differently than my personal work My pro work is never all mine. A lot of times its collaborations with other visual professionals and in the end it's always the clients. I do that to pay all the bills and feed the family and it supports my personal work and pays the cameras and lenses.. My personal is all mine. 100%. Though I will say a lot of my clients now hire me for the way my work looks so I have a lot more visual freedom than I once did.

I have had a fair amount of success with my personal work but not near enough to give my family the decent standard of living that my pro work has given us.

My pro work feeds the family and my personal work feeds my soul.

A great quote from Edward Weston. I differ from him in that I don't hate my pro work.

"When money enters in, - then, for a price, I become a liar, - and a good one I can be whether with pencil or subtle lighting or viewpoint. I hate it all, but so do I support not only my family, but my own work."-Edward Weston



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zhangyue wrote:
It is highly depend on what you want to shoot. A single focal just won’t do if you shoot landscape but could be totally fine for street.
A single 24-105/120 will do for me in 95% but I never really enjoy using it. Ultimate flexibility sounds great on paper but always end up with less thought on composition by not changing to optimized perspective.
I faced similar struggle as Gordon to select gear for travel on not only which body to bring but also focal length and speed of the lenses simply because I also have too much gears. One
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Not me Michael. I like my toys. But I am now finally organising a chunk of gear to get love from new masters. Most of that hasn’t been used in months or sometimes years. What’s on my office bookcase will stay and that’s still more than one person needs. Expect some M, CL and SL cameras on buy and sell pretty soon. I have tham away for service and rangefinder calibration.

Doesn’t help that I prefer Sony but K decided she’d have Canon as her longer lens system. AT least that despicable R7 piece of crap will be gone…

Gordon



Jul 02, 2025 at 01:24 AM
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chiron wrote:
Yes, for some reason he seems to have taken his wedding photography site off-line. It used to be very extensive. You can still see many of the photographs if you just google "jeff ascough wedding phitography." Here are four to start you off.

https://www.worldsbestweddingphotos.com/photographer-interview-jeff-ascough-best-wedding-photographer-london

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora/photography/tips-and-solutions/im-not-a-wedding-photographer-a-conversation-with-jeff-ascough?msockid=0d448bef0e576f9d24219fc00a576d8e

Ihttps://www.bestofweddingphotography.com/jeff-ascough/

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=jeff+ascough+wedding&qpvt=jeff+ascough+wedding&form=IGRE&first=1

And here is his work, more like Moriyama's work, that he is currently emphasizing on his site:

https://www.jeffascough.com/monochrome-street



That’s nice work.

Still, I have one issue with following Jeff’s take on street: I’m pretty sure he’s mostly a hip shooter, while Sarah uses the viewfinder. I don’t really like the results or the habit of shooting from the hip and use it very sparingly.




Jul 02, 2025 at 05:03 AM
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Another photographer that others here might appreciate is Matt Mawson.

https://www.mattmawson.com/gallery2#1



Jul 02, 2025 at 05:23 AM
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johnvanr wrote:
That’s nice work.

Still, I have one issue with following Jeff’s take on street: I’m pretty sure he’s mostly a hip shooter, while Sarah uses the viewfinder. I don’t really like the results or the habit of shooting from the hip and use it very sparingly.



He has some videos showing how he works on the street with him shooting on a walk along a boardwalk and a street. He is a hip shooter for most of the time. I am not a fan of any of those images. I never really liked William Klein either.

However, I do love and admire his wedding photography, which is all shot through the viewfinder, carefully, with thought and patience looking and planning for the shot. I wish he would publish a book of it. Some of the shots might be criticized by a hard-nose as sentimental (the crying, for example), but I don't think they would seem sentimental to the people for whom they were made but rather as very moving and true documents of the day and of the relationships therein.



Jul 02, 2025 at 05:57 AM
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I actually like a lot of his street work. When one shoots with the same camera and same F/L most of the time one can start seeing what the camera sees with out looking through the viewfinder. So all that has to happen is seeing the moment. Winogrand is another example of being able to do it. Think of it like a sharp shooter that can shoot coins out of the air after a quick draw. Not actually bringing the pistol to his eye and aiming. With a lot of practice it can become second nature.


Jul 02, 2025 at 07:10 AM
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airfrogusmc wrote:
I actually like a lot of his street work. When one shoots with the same camera and same F/L most of the time one can start seeing what the camera sees with out looking through the viewfinder. So all that has to happen is seeing the moment. Winogrand is another example of being able to do it. Think of it like a sharp shooter that can shoot coins out of the air after a quick draw. Not actually bringing the pistol to his eye and aiming. With a lot of practice it can become second nature.


I don't mind that his street work is from the hip--the manner of making the image doesn't bother me. It is more the sense of chaos and disorder in the street photographs that he is currently featuring. Also, the disorder seems artificial to me in that it is based on a very chancy if not quite random methodology of shooting while walking. I do like Sarah's street photographs.

I think the reason I don't like Jeff Ascough's current street photos, nor those of William Klein or Gary Winogrand, is because of the sense of disorder and chaos they convey, which I consider to be an almost philosophical failing by the photographer. (Obviously, many, many people disagree with me.)

Robert Adams writes about how photographs that have a classical component of beauty and order to them convey a belief in a potentially ordered and beautiful world, that they contain an affirmative view of reality. I think that I like the street photography of Henri Cartier Bresson or Saul Leiter or Robert Frank, or Sarah Ascough or Vivan Maier or Sam Abell and the wedding photography and the landscapes by Jeff Ascough in significant part because they contain and convey that belief in an underlying order and even goodness in the world, even when they are portraying something that is wrong in the world.



Jul 02, 2025 at 07:37 AM
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And in my way of thinking (and you can throw Webb, Meyerowitz and Manos to a certain extent into this mix with Jeff) is the streets are chaos. Many layers and depth to the work. I usually seem to be able to find a sense of order in all of these photographers work. Order in chaos.


Jul 02, 2025 at 08:12 AM
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And in my way of thinking (and you can throw Webb, Meyerowitz and Manos to a certain extent into this mix with Jeff) is the streets are chaos. Many layers and depth to the work. I usually seem to be able to find a sense of order in all of these photographers work. Order in chaos.


I wouldn't say that Manos, Webb, or Meyrowitz portray chaos.



Jul 02, 2025 at 11:11 AM
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These look pretty chaotic to me. All great images they just show the chaos that is the streets. In my opinion when a street image can capture the true essence of the street which sometimes means the chaos they are documenting what is street. Gilden said and I'm paraphrasing with a great street image you can smell the street. I get that from all those we have mentioned including Jeff Ascough and Winogrand. And I still say they show how chaotic the streets can be. Never meant to imply that's all there images are about.
Meyerowitz
https://philamuseum.org/collection/object/71182

Webb
https://www.huckmag.com/article/alex-webb-magnum-photography-suffering-light

Manos (scroll down to the dancing woman and the shadows.
https://www.magnumphotos.com/arts-culture/travel/constantine-manos-america-at-the-beach/

Now compare Jeffs work
https://www.jeffascough.com/monochrome-street

I'm not implying that Jeff is better or even as good as any of the greats. Just saying his work, like it or not, captures the feeling of the street. Not unlike Winogrand, Webb, Meyerowitz or Manos. If it's being honest there is always a bit of chaos on the streets.



Jul 02, 2025 at 11:33 AM
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airfrogusmc wrote:
These look pretty chaotic to me. All great images they just show the chaos that is the streets. In my opinion when a street image can capture the true essence of the street which sometimes means the chaos they are documenting what is street. Gilden said and I'm paraphrasing with a great street image you can smell the street. I get that from all those we have mentioned including Jeff Ascough and Winogrand. And I still say they show how chaotic the streets can be. Never meant to imply that's all there images are about.
Meyerowitz
https://philamuseum.org/collection/object/71182

Webb
https://www.huckmag.com/article/alex-webb-magnum-photography-suffering-light

Manos (scroll down to the
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Yes, there is always a degree of disorder in the streets, though I think you overstate it. If it were really chaos, no one could be there. Steet behavior is highly choreographed. But some photographers, like William Klein or Jeff in his current street photography, seek to portray disorder rather than see the underlying choreography, virtually a denial of the underlying order and choreography; while other photographers, like Sarah Ascough or Webb or Manos or HCB or Leiter, or Sam Abell or William Allard seek to portray the meaning and beauty that underly otherwise ordinary scenes, revealing the beautiful order and balletic dance that is human interaction. I find Jeff Ascough's wedding photography and his landscapes both meaningful and beautiful. I find his current, from-the-hip-while-walking much less meaningful or beautiful. But it certainly could be the case that I am missing something in his street work.


But we don't need to agree, and we are far off the topic of the thread. To rejoin that topic, I think Sarah and Jeff Ascough for their personal work both confine themselves to one Leica body at a time and one lens at a time. I think they both favor a 28mm. But if they are still doing weddings, I would bet they take much more than that with them on those occasions.



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