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p.1 #1 · Limited or All-round Gear?


I'm looking for an interesting discussion about something that I've been wondering about since I started looking more at the work of three photographers recently: Saul Leiter, Daido Moriyama and Sebastiao Salgado. The work of all three intrigues me as I'm seeking my own approach.

Leiter was the exception in his time because he used color before most others for his street photography and because he tended to use longer lenses (50mm, 85mm) for street photography, whereas most then and now use 28mm and 35mm for street. I, when I can, prefer to carry both a wide and a short tele when shooting street, hence my interest in Leiter's work (plus his great use of minimal color and ability to produce quiet images in a bustling city).

Moriyama uses point and shoot cameras and shoots a mile a minute. He cannot and doesn't seek technical perfection but his images are stronger than most technically perfect images and somehow to me often show street better than what we usually see in 'normal' street photography. He's mostly a B&W and high contrast shooter. I'm mostly interested in his style because of how liberating it can be and, after trying it in NYC, how it makes me want to shoot and discover images where a stricter approach made me 'blind.'

And Salgado is almost the opposite from both these men in his approach. He's traveled long and far for his subjects and made sure that when he reached them, he had the gear to shoot whatever came his way: earlier Leica R, later Pentax MF and last Canon DSLRs with the f/2.8 zooms. Other than the fact that he produced historic and memorable images, this calls to me because that kind of setup is what I always fall back on when I go out to photograph a parade or event. In those situations, instead of limiting myself to one camera and one lens, I take the gear that covers 28 to 200mm and can handle any situation. (In the same vein, Jay Maisel is known for always carrying the latest pro Nikon with a 28-300mm zoom so he can shoot whatever he encounters).

Obviously, great photography can be done with many different setups, but I'm intrigued by these differences and how I can use them in my own approach. Sometimes, I think limiting myself to one camera and one prime lens is interesting, but I tend to take more diverse images (and 'see' more) when I use a zoom lens. And then there's of course the ease of which you use gear that you're familiar with, which in my case is limited because I use so many different setups (at the same time, I don't see myself ever carrying multiple f/2.8 zooms all day long).

Without bias to what is best, but just merely at what's interesting, let's discuss.




Jun 30, 2025 at 04:14 AM
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Three of my all time favourite photographers.

My choice of equipment is entirely task dependent and varied: horses for courses. As far as 'Street' is concerned, unless I have a fixed plan for a particular shoot then I'll typically limit myself to one fixed focal length prime, more often than not my Leica Q3 43 which has become my favourite walk-around.

Limiting can be liberating.



Jun 30, 2025 at 05:16 AM
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"Limiting" is not limiting.

Rather, it is mental convergence, moreover than mental divergence.


I'll expand on my approach / thoughts more later as to when / where / why / how convergence vs. divergence comes into play ... and my approach for the FOMO factor.

Gotta run, but mental > vs. mental < is the essence of the matter.


I'll leave with this thought, first though ...

Event Coverage

vs.

Your personal engagement / purview of the world


Not the same thing, not the same tools, not the same approach.
Don't confuse the two, nor expect them to be the same thing ... they aren't.




Jun 30, 2025 at 05:58 AM
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When one finds gear that fits the way one sees and works it's liberating. My perfect fit is something that I can just pick up and not think about the equipment. It just gets out of the way and allows me to create.

Almost all of my persoanl work for the last decade or so had been done with a Leica Monochrom and 35mm focal length. That is also my usual travel kit. Though lately I seem to be seeing a bit wider and have been going out with a 24 instead of 35. I never find this limiting becasue it seems to be the way I see naturally. It took me years to figure find my way here. It's a life long journey and everyones road is different.

Some of my biggest influences:
Walker Evans
Bresson
Robert Frank
Winigrand
Davidson
Meyerowitz





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Working distance.

How you approach and frame the subject determines the focal length(s) you gravitate to. Doesn't matter whether it's event, humanist, landscape. You start with a world view, how you see the world, people, place. It's having a particular perspective.



Jun 30, 2025 at 07:11 AM
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The whole question of “limiting” gear and its relationship to creativity is much more complicated than people sometimes understand.

I think it’s s more about the focus of the work than about limiting the gear. (In fact, one way to diminish your focus on the photography is to become too focused on the gear —whether than means believing that using some specific camera is the answer or believing that you need every possible piece of best gear.)

Equipment is just stuff for the most part, tools to accomplish photography. I think that if you look at what most exceptional photographers choose to use you’ll find that it is come combination of personal bias and experience and, more so, simply what works best for the work at hand.



Jun 30, 2025 at 08:47 AM
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Yep it's a personal journey and can change over time. When you find tools thart match your vision and the way you work it is priceless. For me it's simplicity. Not bogged down with a bag full of stuff (these comments are fo my personal work though there is some carry over into my pro work). I just take the tools that complete my vision. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Jun 30, 2025 at 09:50 AM
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KLaban wrote:
Three of my all time favourite photographers.

My choice of equipment is entirely task dependent and varied: horses for courses. As far as 'Street' is concerned, unless I have a fixed plan for a particular shoot then I'll typically limit myself to one fixed focal length prime, more often than not my Leica Q3 43 which has become my favourite walk-around.

Limiting can be liberating.


I always thought that too, but I'm not entirely sure, esp. when you can't easily return to a place. Unless one is really strongly committed to a certain style that involves the gear choice (i.e. Leiter and Moriyama), isn't being ready for whatever comes your way a better approach?



Jun 30, 2025 at 09:54 AM
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RustyBug wrote:
"Limiting" is not limiting.

Rather, it is mental convergence, moreover than mental divergence.

I'll expand on my approach / thoughts more later as to when / where / why / how convergence vs. divergence comes into play ... and my approach for the FOMO factor.

Gotta run, but mental > vs. mental < is the essence of the matter.

I'll leave with this thought, first though ...

Event Coverage

vs.

Your personal engagement / purview of the world

Not the same thing, not the same tools, not the same approach.
Don't confuse the two, nor expect them to be the same thing ... they aren't.



True. But when does one make the choice? Before going out? At post-production. David Allen Harvey once shot Formula 1 with his Leica M kit. That's an obvious prior choice, for example. Not sure I could do that.



Jun 30, 2025 at 09:56 AM
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mapgraphs wrote:
Working distance.

How you approach and frame the subject determines the focal length(s) you gravitate to. Doesn't matter whether it's event, humanist, landscape. You start with a world view, how you see the world, people, place. It's having a particular perspective.


I do find that I'm generally drawn to longer focal lengths, for example, but if I want to show layers in a street scene, that won't work. I'm not sure I have one world view in that regard.



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If the equipment matches the way you see you don't need all the stuff. You only need the stuff that matches that vision. And it's usually a lot less than you think it would be.

Bresson and Gibson shot mostly with what most consider a normal F/L. Winogrand a 28.


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Jun 30, 2025 at 09:58 AM
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johnvanr wrote:
I'm looking for an interesting discussion about something that I've been wondering about since I started looking more at the work of three photographers recently: Saul Leiter, Daido Moriyama and Sebastiao Salgado. The work of all three intrigues me as I'm seeking my own approach.

Leiter was the exception in his time because he used color before most others for his street photography and because he tended to use longer lenses (50mm, 85mm) for street photography, whereas most then and now use 28mm and 35mm for street. I, when I can, prefer to carry both a wide and a short tele
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My strategy has been to have different sets of equipment for different purposes. Typically I will have some redundant equipment and also maybe some that is not going to be used every day of an activity. At one point I had about 70kg of cameras and lenses, etc. I have multiple setups depending on the project, e.g., landscapes, ocean/island wildlife, African wildlife, birding, macro, etc. I pack what I need for each and rent the lesser used gear.

I have no idea who those famous photographers are, but 200mm is way too short for me. Even for landscapes I'd want at least 400mm. I don't photograph humans as a general rule.

Some of these are personal decisions and depends on what phase of photography and life you are in. I've been doing this for 50+ years so I'm not going to create a meaningless gear challenge. In the 80s I might have though differently, at least for a few days before the reality set in that I missed the opportunity.
What's important to me is to have the most appropriate gear for the situation, and to go to new places and try new things. I try to go to go to one new country or region each year while I still can.

EBH

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Jun 30, 2025 at 10:00 AM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
The whole question of “limiting” gear and its relationship to creativity is much more complicated than people sometimes understand.

I think it’s s more about the focus of the work than about limiting the gear. (In fact, one way to diminish your focus on the photography is to become too focused on the gear —whether than means believing that using some specific camera is the answer or believing that you need every possible piece of best gear.)

Equipment is just stuff for the most part, tools to accomplish photography. I think that if you look at what most exceptional photographers choose
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You're actually stating the obvious, while saying it's more complicated than people understand. Clearly, for Leiter and Moriyama, the focus of the work involved/s limiting the gear. For Salgado, it meant being ready with a wide range of gear. With that wide range, he still very much had his own style and approach.

Some people only carry one focal length, others carry something from 24-50mm because beyond 50mm, they think it's not natural anymore, for example. I don't think any answer is right or wrong, but I do wonder: when do you get your best images, when you're out with a large kit or when you're out with one lens?



Jun 30, 2025 at 10:04 AM
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airfrogusmc wrote:
If the equipment matches the way you see you don't need all the stuff. You only need the stuff that matches that vision. And it's usually a lot less than you think it would be.

Bresson and Gibson shot mostly with what most consider a normal F/L. Winogrand a 28.


You're someone who comes across as knowing what you want in your images and having decided the kit to match it. That's good. I envy you, in a way.




Jun 30, 2025 at 10:06 AM
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EB-1 wrote:
My strategy has been to have different sets of equipment for different purposes. Typically I will have some redundant equipment and also maybe some that is not going to be used every day of an activity. At one point I had about 70kg of cameras and lenses, etc. I have multiple setups depending on the project, e.g., landscapes, ocean/island wildlife, African wildlife, birding, macro, etc. I pack what I need for each and rent the lesser used gear.

I have no idea who those famous photographers are, but 200mm is way too short for me. Even for landscapes I'd want
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I do too. Hence, I have too much stuff. Can never take it all anywhere.

I go to a few places here in Vienna at night to have a smoke and often take a camera, picking different ones each night. Even then, I sometimes wish I'd brought another camera or a zoom because of something that happens in front of my eyes. And that's a place a few minutes away from where I live and I can go back to all the time.



Jun 30, 2025 at 10:08 AM
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johnvanr wrote:
You're someone who comes across as knowing what you want in your images and having decided the kit to match it. That's good. I envy you, in a way.



It took a long time to get here so I say sit back and enjoy the journey. Processing, tools (equipment) and the way one puts images together visually (compose) can all contribute to a visual signature or as some might say, style.



Jun 30, 2025 at 10:18 AM
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johnvanr wrote "isn't being ready for whatever comes your way a better approach?"

Feet can be very useful and the use of them can often negate the need for multiple cameras and lenses. As an example I'll post a recent series of images all shot with the same 85mm prime. There were many more in the series.







This was potentially the most dangerous shoot we have done. Thankfully I judged the focal length needed to take a variety of shots and it all came together. I wouldn't want to repeat it.



Jun 30, 2025 at 11:57 AM
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Everything in my book from a few years back was shot with a 35 or 24mm lens on FF cameras.
https://www.blurb.com/b/8495841



Jun 30, 2025 at 12:58 PM
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I strive to be a "one camera, one lens" kind of person (though I am not fully there yet), who zooms with their feet. Zooming with my feet forces me to explore the area around a subject, and sometimes this reveals other/better subjects. I personally find zooming in to be easier than zooming out, so 28/35 mm feels most natural to me. In rare situations when zooming in is not an option, I can still crop in most cases (provided enough resolution from the lens/sensor). A minimal kit also makes zooming easier.


Jun 30, 2025 at 01:04 PM
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KLaban wrote:

johnvanr wrote "isn't being ready for whatever comes your way a better approach?"

Feet can be very useful and the use of them can often negate the need for multiple cameras and lenses. As an example I'll post a recent series of images all shot with the same 85mm prime. There were many more in the series.

https://www.keithlaban.co.uk/Tannery_Shorts.jpg

https://www.keithlaban.co.uk/Tannery_Worker_Fes.jpg

https://www.keithlaban.co.uk/Tannery_Worker_Fes3.jpg

https://www.keithlaban.co.uk/Tannery_Worker_Fes2.jpg

https://www.keithlaban.co.uk/Tannery_Fes.jpg


This was potentially the most dangerous shoot we have done. Thankfully I judged the focal length needed to take a variety of shots and it all came together. I wouldn't want to repeat it.


What made the shoot so dangerous?



Jun 30, 2025 at 01:36 PM
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