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p.1 #1 · X-E5: The end of the X-Pro line?


The new X-E5 is a remarkable camera. It is not for me (yet), as I am happy with my X-E3s and neither want 40MP nor IBIS. But the X-E5 send a clear signal: Its encroaching onto X-Pro territory, both, in size and in features.

Noticed how the EVF is sporting modes that emulate (replace) an OVF? Me thinks that the hybrid VF is way too expensive and limits profitability. The X100 and the X-Pro at current prices have certainly not been the most profitable for Fuji. That also seems to limit the production capacity Fuji assigns to the X100 line. The have more profitable products for which to use that capacity.

So, with the X-E5 moving into X-Pro/X100 territory, will the x100 line continue to exist? Probably, though likely at a higher price. And for the X-E5 to become an X-E6Pro, all it takes is a state of the art EVF. I wouldn't mind and then finally jump from the third generation X-E to the latest.



Jun 24, 2025 at 02:17 AM
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p.1 #2 · X-E5: The end of the X-Pro line?


How many times does Fuji have to tell you the X-Pro line is still alive for you to believe it?


Jun 24, 2025 at 07:00 AM
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p.1 #3 · X-E5: The end of the X-Pro line?


Seeing is believing. Fuji has not anywhere stated that there will be another X-Pro. In fact, they have stated that the 40MP sensor and new processor are not reason enough for a new one. And the hybrid viewfinder is certainly an expensive part that reduces profitability or requires a higher price - all to please very view users who really use the OVF at all.


Jun 24, 2025 at 07:45 AM
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p.1 #4 · X-E5: The end of the X-Pro line?


And I have seen this, of course, but other than kind words for X-Pro fans there is really nothing that indicates what, if anything, can make Fuji offer a new X-Pro. Fuji doesn't know either, it seems. https://petapixel.com/2025/03/12/fujifilm-doesnt-want-an-x-pro-series-successor-to-be-boring/

Now, I could imagine an X-Pro that comes with interchangeable viewfinders. A state of the art EVF, an OVF that can display frame lines, and OVFs that are customized for specific focal lengths. All of them detachable to slide in an out of the body. But that would require a major development effort - and I doubt that Fuji has the budget for it.

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Jun 24, 2025 at 08:01 AM
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p.1 #5 · X-E5: The end of the X-Pro line?


Nielk Mike wrote:
Seeing is believing. Fuji has not anywhere stated that there will be another X-Pro.


Wrong.

https://www.fujirumors.com/fujifilm-confirms-x-pro-is-on-roadmap-immersive-x-e5-experience-film-simulation-dial-success-firmware-updates-and-more/

Whether it will continue the OVF/EVF linage or go in a new direction, no one, including Fuji, knows yet.



Jun 24, 2025 at 08:04 AM
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p.1 #6 · X-E5: The end of the X-Pro line?


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Wrong.

https://www.fujirumors.com/fujifilm-confirms-x-pro-is-on-roadmap-immersive-x-e5-experience-film-simulation-dial-success-firmware-updates-and-more/

Whether it will continue the OVF/EVF linage or go in a new direction, no one, including Fuji, knows yet.


Saying "its on the roadmap" is like saying "I will marry you one day" :-) Everything else Fuji is saying points to Fuji not knowing what exactly they can add to make the next X-Pro a viable product. So forget that roadmap. And if it doesn't have a hybrid viewfinder, it is not an X-pro anymore. It is and X-EPro.



Jun 24, 2025 at 08:06 AM
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p.1 #7 · X-E5: The end of the X-Pro line?


The reason X-Pro is still on the roadmap but not getting produced is due to the severe backlash to the X-Pro 3's rear screen fiasco. Fujifilm is still smarting over that and doesn't want a repeat. IMO it's partly passive agressive on their part (we don't deserve a new one) and part fear of getting it wrong again.


Jun 24, 2025 at 08:28 AM
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p.1 #8 · X-E5: The end of the X-Pro line?


You don't get to have your cake and eat it too...if the General Manager of Professional Imaging Group says it's coming, I'm taking his word over yours

Fuji has been fairly decent over the years of taking feedback (people hating the flippy screen on the X-T4, reverting to tri-tilt on X-T5, for instance). That said, I feel like they are FIRMLY in their "throwing shit at the wall" era, so I have very little faith that the X-Pro 4 will look much like the beloved X-Pro 2.

Literally all they have to do is put X-Trans 6 into an X-Pro 2 body and call it a day and it will be their best selling camera ever.



Jun 24, 2025 at 08:31 AM
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p.1 #9 · X-E5: The end of the X-Pro line?


RoamingScott wrote:
You don't get to have your cake and eat it too...if the General Manager of Professional Imaging Group says it's coming, I'm taking his word over yours

Fuji has been fairly decent over the years of taking feedback (people hating the flippy screen on the X-T4, reverting to tri-tilt on X-T5, for instance). That said, I feel like they are FIRMLY in their "throwing shit at the wall" era, so I have very little faith that the X-Pro 4 will look much like the beloved X-Pro 2.

Literally all they have to do is put X-Trans 6 into an X-Pro 2
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Big feelers that got hurt with the X-Pro 3 on both sides. Fujifilm was so proud of it, and we were all wrong to question it. There's no other reason to have put off producing the X-Pro 4 except pride.



Jun 24, 2025 at 08:37 AM
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p.1 #10 · X-E5: The end of the X-Pro line?


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You don't get to have your cake and eat it too...if the General Manager of Professional Imaging Group says it's coming, I'm taking his word over yours

Fuji has been fairly decent over the years of taking feedback (people hating the flippy screen on the X-T4, reverting to tri-tilt on X-T5, for instance). That said, I feel like they are FIRMLY in their "throwing shit at the wall" era, so I have very little faith that the X-Pro 4 will look much like the beloved X-Pro 2.

Literally all they have to do is put X-Trans 6 into an X-Pro 2
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You don't have to put faith in my words - but just pointing to a roadmap comment isn't cutting it either. Fuji seems not to know what "innovation" it will take to offer a new X-Pro. It is not 40MP, it is not a new processor, it doesn't seem to be IBIS, either. So what can it be?

Would you agree that the hybrid VF is an expensive part that cuts into profits? And that there are very few people using the OVF much, if at all? Would you also agree that if Fuji removes the hybrid VF and replaces it with an EVF only, that camera would no longer be an X-Pro? In fact, we already have that camera. It's called X-E5 :-)

That "analog" mode of the EVF on the X-E5, the mode that allows the user to "look outside the FoV of the lens so one can see what's moving into the frame - isn't that all an indication that Fuji is trying to cater to the OVF fans with an EVF?

If I were the Head of Marketing at Fuji, I wouldn't announce the end of the X-Pro line either. There is a lot sentimental value riding on it. And it may lead to the question of how much longer there will be an X100 with a hybrid VF. Another product that currently defines Fuji. What if Fuji offers the X100 with an EVF only? Fixed lens, but no hybrid VF.

But of course, there is the word of the Fuji manager saying it is on the map :-)




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p.1 #11 · X-E5: The end of the X-Pro line?


How many times does Fuji have to suggest vaguely that the X-Pro line is still alive yet not show any concrete steps toward producing one for you to believe it? ;-)

Fujifilm's answers to the "will there be another XPro?" question are always couched in ambiguity, often of the sort that encourages the listener/reader to believe what they already hoped/believed rather than to convey actual objective information.

The XPro _was_ a brilliant camera. (I owned and loved the XPro2 for years.) It answered a serious concern of photographers considering a move to mirrorless — that the performance of EVFs early on was pretty poor, with slow frame rates, low resolution, jerkiness, and generally poor image quality. (Those were definitely issues with my XE1 back then.) It didn't help that everyone (or nearly everyone) was accustomed to the "organic" display of DSLR, to the point that we didn't think about their problems (mirror blackout anyone? visibility in low light?) while we most certainly WERE worried about the new technology.

So the XPro gave us the best of both worlds — the immediacy of the optical viewfinder and the display potential of the EVF, along with the latter's ability to work with pretty much any lens — long, short, big aperture, large zoom. (The OVF plays well with small-ish aperture lenses with somewhat wide to slightly long focal lengths, but doesn't play well with many other lenses we might use.)

But since then the photographic world has almost completely adopted the EVF model and we don't hear many complaints about it any more. The EVF displays have improved greatly, to the point that they are objectively better than OVF displays in many situations. and the ares in which they are arguably still behind have decreased to the point that the EVF is now regarded as the norm.

So the perceived need for an OVF display, while it hasn't entirely disappeared, has diminished to the point that the market for the remarkable hybrid viewfinder system is now extremely small.

On the other hand, the interest in rangefinder-style cameras continues. One reason (at least for the right-eye-dominant among us) is the position of the viewfinder. Another is the retro associations with this design. The design also allows for some really small cameras. (Putting the viewfinder and its display in line with the lens requires some additional vertical size — moving the viewfinder away from the lens is more flexible.)

We don't know what Fujifilm will do with the XPro line. As a respected legacy system, the concept still has an appeal. As a real-world product, the hybrid viewfinder design has far less appeal than it once had, plus it introduces some design/manufacturing complexity that has to raise the cost of manufacture.

Could Fujifilm actually bring out a hybrid viewfinder XPro4? Nothing is impossible, I suppose, But given the small market it would reach, the manufacturing costs, and the fact that some percentage of sales would come at the expense of sales of other models, I have to think that Fujifilm sees the writing on the wall.

XPro release history
XPro1 — 2012
XPro2 — 2016
XPro3 - 2019

XPro models were released every 3-4 years. We are now six years past the XPro3, and the earliest speculation for a rumored Xpro4 is not until at least 2026, and some suggest later. While Fujifilm's marketing arm answers questions about the line in ways that allow hope of a new model to live on, there is no concrete information about a new model coming — just rumors.

There is one way Fujifilm could keep the line alive, and there's a possibility that the XE5 _might_ be an early move in this direction — toward an upgraded XE that gets full manual controls (not omitting things like ISO dials) that are found on the top-of-line cameras, a camera that we could think of as an EVF-only "XEPro."

In a sense, the market positioning of the XE5 diminishes the likelihood of an old-school hybrid XPro4.

We're all speculating here, and I cop to that up front.

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Jun 24, 2025 at 01:38 PM
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p.1 #12 · X-E5: The end of the X-Pro line?


I don't think the XE-5 is anything like the X-Pro series. There is nothing about it that is like it except for viewfinder placement. It's more like an X100 with interchangeable lenses if anything.


Jun 24, 2025 at 03:41 PM
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Nick Dakota wrote:
I don't think the XE-5 is anything like the X-Pro series. There is nothing about it that is like it except for viewfinder placement. It's more like an X100 with interchangeable lenses if anything.


It is on the same wavelength, though it isn't the same camera. They are both rangefinder-style cameras. They both work with interchangeable lenses. They both have had the same high end sensor (up until Fujifilm left the XPro behind).

Historically, it was the cheaper (and smaller and lighter) alternative to the XPro1 back when the XPro1 was the flagship and the XE1 was the only other mirrorless ILC from Fujifilm.

In a world where almost all new cameras are now mirrorless, a more modern iteration of the XPro might well be more XE-like: EVF-only, full controls (like XT5 and the old XPro models), making a small, tight rangefinder style package. It would work well with the small primes that were the favorite of XPro shooters (the "Fujicrons," the 18mm f/2, the 2i7mm f/2.8, etc.).

My bet is that if there is something the continues the XPro lineage, it is way more likely to be something like that than to be another hybrid viewfinder camera.

Time will tell.




Jun 24, 2025 at 06:51 PM
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p.1 #14 · X-E5: The end of the X-Pro line?


With the X-E line "growing up", I am a bit torn. On one hand, I do believe that the X-E should grow into a mature X-EPro line that contains top of the line Fuji technology and qualtiy. Yet, the size and weight of the original X-E will be missed. There is nothing like an X-E3 and the Fujicrons to be out on the street or at a social event and not being noticed.

If the X-E grows into an X-EPro, I am doubtful that Fuji will maintain a smaller option (unless one counts the X-M line as an option, which I don't for lack of a VF).

But in general, I am pretty interested in the "new" X-E line. It might even make be bite the apple and get it with despite the 40MP sensor (which I dislike and don't need. After all, it is only adding 0,5x more crop to the 26MP sensor if one wants to keep the output 4K).



Jun 26, 2025 at 02:28 AM
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p.1 #15 · X-E5: The end of the X-Pro line?


X-Pro2 owner here. Dear Fujifilm, remove the hybrid viewfinder and design an optical viewfinder of outstanding features and quality for the new X-Pro model. Like Leica's M series.
At the same time, release a new series of small, high quality manual lenses with the new X-Pro! Start with a trio of classic focal lengths.
btw. X-E5, not my cup of tea.



Jun 26, 2025 at 07:41 AM
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p.1 #16 · X-E5: The end of the X-Pro line?


tNielk Mike wrote:
With the X-E line "growing up", I am a bit torn. On one hand, I do believe that the X-E should grow into a mature X-EPro line that contains top of the line Fuji technology and qualtiy. Yet, the size and weight of the original X-E will be missed. There is nothing like an X-E3 and the Fujicrons to be out on the street or at a social event and not being noticed.

If the X-E grows into an X-EPro, I am doubtful that Fuji will maintain a smaller option (unless one counts the X-M line as an option,
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There is the enigma. The small and light and inexpensive XE seems like a pretty useful tool in many cases, and a big part of its appeal has been its low cost. With that part of its DNA gone, how will lt do? I’m not sure. And is there sufficient interest to support ye another Fujifilm camera that would probably be in the price range of a bunch of others should a “XEPro” be introduced?

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Jun 26, 2025 at 08:54 AM
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p.1 #17 · X-E5: The end of the X-Pro line?


I find the discussion here with regards to the imminent demise of the hybrid viewfinder for future models interesting, but the conclusions are the exact opposite of what I see. If Fuji were to replace the X-Pro3 with and solely EVF model, but with all the current "bells and whistles" I wouldn't buy one...it doesn't really interest me. To me the hybrid viewfinder is unique to these cameras and it's a strong reason why I own an X100v and and X-Pro2. One of the reasons I didn't upgrade to the X-pro3 was the changes they made to the viewfinder. Contrary to the statements above I almost exclusively use the OVF option on my X100v and with my X-Pro2 I largely only use the EVF when the lens mounted is outside the range of the OVF. I'm not a luddite with regard to EVFs and have several bodies with only EVFs and I have no issues using them.

To me, the hybrid viewfinder is one of the key features that make these cameras unique and in an increasingly broad mirrorless market this uniqueness is key to making these cameras desirable...for me at least.



Jun 26, 2025 at 11:31 AM
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p.1 #18 · X-E5: The end of the X-Pro line?


Fuji just needs to stop making so many different models- Just make models that people can actually buy-


Jun 26, 2025 at 11:57 AM
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CVickery wrote:
I find the discussion here with regards to the imminent demise of the hybrid viewfinder for future models interesting, but the conclusions are the exact opposite of what I see. If Fuji were to replace the X-Pro3 with and solely EVF model, but with all the current "bells and whistles" I wouldn't buy one...it doesn't really interest me. To me the hybrid viewfinder is unique to these cameras and it's a strong reason why I own an X100v and and X-Pro2. One of the reasons I didn't upgrade to the X-pro3 was the changes they made to the viewfinder. Contrary
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Totally agree with regard to the OVF. Only the 23/35/50 Fujicrons and the 27f2.8 are used with X-Pro3 - and 90 of the time using the OVF, light permitting. But, and it is a big but: From all I hear and read, the majority of X-Pro owners does not use the OVF much.

The X100 is a different beast: The OVF is perfectly matched to the 35mm lens. But still, it seems that not many users are using the OVF on the X100 either. So the question Fuji needs to ask themselves is: Does it make sense to cut into my profits with an expensive part such as the HVF if there os only a small group actually using it (and missing it when it is gone).



Jun 26, 2025 at 02:11 PM
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p.1 #20 · X-E5: The end of the X-Pro line?


Nielk Mike wrote:
Totally agree with regard to the OVF. Only the 23/35/50 Fujicrons and the 27f2.8 are used with X-Pro3 - and 90 of the time using the OVF, light permitting. But, and it is a big but: From all I hear and read, the majority of X-Pro owners does not use the OVF much.

The X100 is a different beast: The OVF is perfectly matched to the 35mm lens. But still, it seems that not many users are using the OVF on the X100 either. So the question Fuji needs to ask themselves is: Does it make sense to cut into
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Perhaps it depends on what else you shoot with. I also use a Leica M so the X-Pro2 has AF but with echoes of the Leica when I'm using the OVF (I also want the 28m equivalent like the Leica ...so I like the 18mm Fuji that was dropped with the OVF update in the X-Pro3)



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