nehemiahphoto wrote:
And, any lovely souls going to test an e-mount copy to see if it’s been optimized for or degraded by the Sony sensor stack?
Buy me one and I can show you what it looks like on stock FF, stock APS-C, Kolari UT, bare-sensored mono vis, and bare-sensored IR. That offer's open for any lens you wish to purchase for me, including, but not limited to, the Summilux 24.
rsolti13 wrote:
i had the 21 Nokton for use on Leica M bodies, can’t complain at all about image quality. It was fantastic. My biggest issue was the width of the lens, not even the length. The Thypoch 21 definitely fixed that. Here is a review also comparing the Thypoch 21 and the Voigtlander 21, showing several side by side photos. Biggest takeaway, the Thypoch is great that it can focus to .23 and the weight/size savings looks fantastic, but the Voigtlander wins in image quality across the board in my opinion. The sample images in here align with other samples I’ve been seeing - not as sharp as the Voigtlander….or from what I was expecting from MTF charts to be honest
I think it's going to be tough for anyone to beat the VM 21/1.4 from a technical standpoint. But I kind of don't think that is what Thypoch is after with these Simera lenses. At least based on the 28, it seems very much about delivering a wide open look that is slightly imperfect, with the aberrations lending a certain 'cinematic' (oops, there's that word! ) quality that seems to be highly desired in some circles.
I guess I'll have to watch the videos, or wait until Fred and/or Bastian do their reviews. For me, the draw of this lens would be how it handles near to medium distance subjects with some background separation.
I still own the 21 Lux and that is where I really like it the most. It's not a technically great wide open lens for things like landscapes or astro (horrible coma and mid zone dip). My favorite images from it are reportage style event coverage, for example.
freaklikeme wrote:
Buy me one and I can show you what it looks like on stock FF, stock APS-C, Kolari UT, bare-sensored mono vis, and bare-sensored IR. That offer's open for any lens you wish to purchase for me, including, but not limited to, the Summilux 24.
I have no problem with the testing just the buying
Looks good and pretty similar to the CV with the main differences being CA correction and better coma correction while resolution looks worse, maybe flare is a bit worse. Bastian doesn't put as much weight on colors and contrast but some shooters will. The CV 21/1.4 has brilliant color/contrast, I think the Simera is probably not quite as cracking.
Too bad both those lenses have such high optical vignetting.
I guess it depends on what you like to shoot, but I would favor the CV for most applications and on account of used prices and (to my mind) much better ergo, colors/contrasts but if were shooting astro, MFD type shooting or had Simera lenses specifically, I would probably opt for the Simera. Or as a multi-system shooter. I don't really like what Simera is doing by "averaging" sensor stack optimization if that's it--I'd like my lenses to perform optimally on the sensor I buy them for.
While similar, I don't think Thypoch color matches their lenses. I am also not sure how well controlled the focus breathing is--I know some of their other lenses have pretty strong focus breathing. But unless your a video shooter, I guess that's not so important.
What is also interesting is, if I recall correctly, CV uses a different optical formulae for the e-mount version (usually they just tweak for sensor stack), so would be fun to see the Simera E versus the CV-e on a Sony.
Just discovered this thread so I'll post a set of images over time for the few people who may have a greater interest in this one and its fine bokeh, more a strength here than the regular fare we see from the source 21mm lens - the VM 21/1.4, and other 20/21s. It's close enough to almost be an homage to Cosina!
For those not familiar with the approach followed by DZO/Thypoch's engineers, they aim for typical cinematic imagery. This maker values subtlety over force, and it shows with respect to bokeh 'management' and background tidiness, and the portrayal of human beings (how passe of them!). It's a much classier lens than the opposition for these unexpected use cases, in a fast 21mm.
Pictorially, if you look at the two 21s in Bastian's reviews of each, you may see the differences in picture quality (as opposed to technically determined image quality). It's an obvious difference to me, but I have used their lenses intensively for some months now (after years with Voigtlanders and Zeiss). Note - no people in the reviews, though, among the 48 images from the Thypoch, and 35 from the VM21mm).
The Voigtlander uses Zeiss's fast blur, rapid fade bokeh model of 3D, where the Thypochs aim for graduated fade and smooth structure - another hint as to its usage intention. Another little remarked on input is the 14-blade aperture which softens the background motifs in the OOF content without unduly obliterating their shapes (the well known Zeiss model, even in cine).
But their glass usage is so different that they could use the same design configuration and some of us would see a graphic difference even so. The VM is simply not a match here. The tetchy CA-laden bokeh balls alone would rule it out for me.
This below is great news for a lens that is likely to have long delays in making it to E-mount (Z will be first, I suspect):
"This Thypoch 21mm 1.4 Simera only shows a slight midzone dip and the corners actually look better than on the Leica. On the Sony A7rII this lens shows great across frame performance from f/4.0.
As the Thypoch lenses are often available for different mounts my guess is they might be designed for an “average” filter thickness, allowing them to perform well enough on various camera systems. Good news for those among us that use more than one camera system."
(Could well be. The shaved sensor Kolari just adds so much to P-P time as it varies across the tonal range - the way off WB is unpredictable in my light, and I noticed great IQ with the 50/1.4 on the stock early Sonys I use, so problem solved.)
Some have reported this lens won't accommodate both the hood and a filter. That's wrong, I use a Zeiss UV in conjunction with the hood. I should add that, even though I don't care much what my lenses look like, this one is very attractive in person. (focus throw of 120 degrees puts it in the fast usage category).
Bobby's video above is well worth a watch, just look at the images if you think he is being 'too positive'. I do wish these YT guys would leave images up for 2-3 seconds, avoiding the jump cuts.
Yep Philip, I didn't get why no one seemed to dig this lens. Bought one recently and, yeah, it's everything you said and more. Was waiting so long for its release, I forgot about it. Especially not seeing anything about it even here. So, I purchased even before Bastian's review. Glad I did. Might eventually put up some pics from the leica m11 mono if and when I get a chance.
Have loved the 28mm and 50mm from them for some time. It's all in the family. Also have the cv but seldom use. History with Zeiss Classic lenses from back when followed by Voigthlander
Nice examples, by the way.
regards,
Joe D
) quality that seems to be highly desired in some circles. 
