OntheRez wrote:
Thanks. Forgot the technical details. MacOS 15.5. Ps 26.7. (Well equipped Mac Studio). I believe these are current.
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Key point. No matter how I come to are return from the extra click is required. Maybe I need to such up and just deal with it.
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First I am running Macs with 15.5 and PS 26.7 so we're identically software equipped.
Try this: first save a copy of your working PSD or Tiff. Now flatten it if there were layers. Next convert it to 8-bit if it was 16. Next, convert whatever profile to sRGB (or Adobe if you use that for JPEGS). NOW when you hit "save as" you see virtually every option in the dropdown, including JPEG. This is what my JPEG actions do automatically for me, so I don't fark over the multi-layered PSD I just worked up.
*IF* you want to skip the above steps, you can click instead on "Save a copy" -- which also does not tamper with the layered PSD or Tiff your working on, and why it's an option -- then all of the options including JPEG will also appear
Thanks. Tried it both ways. The first takes too many steps so I'll stick with the whole save as thing. I've figured out that Adobe changed the 'save as' behavior at some point without providing notice that they had done so. Seems to be Adobe's way to 'entertain us.'
OntheRez wrote:
Thanks. Tried it both ways. The first takes too many steps so I'll stick with the whole save as thing. I've figured out that Adobe changed the 'save as' behavior at some point without providing notice that they had done so. Seems to be Adobe's way to 'entertain us.'
What's puzzling is that they didn't change it for everyone! I'm a dual user (Win for desktop and main processing at home and MacOS on a MBP for travel). I have access to a large list on both, both including jpg when I simply Save As, and I don't need to flatten or change the colour profile of the file before doing so. I get 18 options with Windows and 24 with MacOS (same list Tony posted here https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1906176/0#16836302). I'm inclined to think it's an OS thing, or an interaction, but I can't find a setting on Win, Mac or PS that even hints.
Assuming this though https://helpx.adobe.com/in/photoshop/using/video/saving-images-video.html
Also on both my Mac and Win versions of PS I can add a new Layer and when the New Layer window pops up the Name is highlighted and I can start typing,. No need to tap the window and my cursor is not on the window either. I'm using a mouse on both my systems.
I know, not much help to you but the answer is out there somewhere ...
OntheRez wrote:
Thanks. Tried it both ways. The first takes too many steps so I'll stick with the whole save as thing. I've figured out that Adobe changed the 'save as' behavior at some point without providing notice that they had done so. Seems to be Adobe's way to 'entertain us.'
Do you use LAB for editing and color profile? I was looking at a Reddit post about problems with Save As and a poster mentioned limiting options when using some obscure profile (not LAB) that were cured when he switched back to a conventional RGB space. I tried a few with no change then tried LAB and I was limited to 8 options (on Mac and 7 on Win unless I miscounted) and no jpg on either (actually jpg 2000 was there). I converted back ProPhoto and got all my options back.
There are good reasons Photoshop introduced the three file saving options. I think it can be summarized as follows. "Save" updates the open file with all edits. "Save As" allows the user to save a new version of the file in any format that can accommodate all the edits, while preserving the original version. "Save a copy" allows saving a new copy of the file in any available format including formats that are not able to accommodate all the edits, while preserving the original version.
Since this caused lots of confusion and complaints (e.g. this thread), Photoshop added an option to revert to the legacy "Save As". Open Preferences > File Handling > then check the box labeled "Enable legacy "Save As"".
To be clear, I do not recommend using the legacy Save As, I recommend learning to use the file saving options as they are currently implemented.
dclark wrote:
Since this caused lots of confusion and complaints (e.g. this thread), Photoshop added an option to revert to the legacy "Save As". Open Preferences > File Handling > then check the box labeled "Enable legacy "Save As"".
Thanks dclark. The option to turn off 'add copy' and to do turn on 'legacy save' did the trick.
OntheRez wrote:
1) 'Save as' doesn't allow JPEG as a choice. It used to be when doing a save as there was a extensive list of options. Now there is only PSD and 3 other obscure formats. One must take the next step, click on yet another 'save as copy' button before being allowed to select from an extensive list of protocols including JPEG. Note, it forces the word copy into the file name. Is there away around this?
It won’t allow that until you flatten (and reduce the bit depth?) of the file. I think that is arguably the correct behavior since if you were to save your PS file (which supports lathers) you would lose all of the layers. You can’t actually save a .jpg that retains the file data.
I simply run a little action I crated that flattens files and sets the right .jpg bit depth before saving to jpg.
(If you aren’t already creating and using actions, they solve a host of issues and make many things work a lot more smoothly and quickly. For example, I have a single action that I use for creating shared web .jgp images that resizes, applies some particular sharpening, adds copyright and branding text, places a marking around the images, and more. One click.)
3) How do I kill those dang brightly colored "help" popups. So enticing. I really don't need breathless lectures on all the wonderful things I can do with Ps. As noted, have been around awhile. Here's an even queerer one. Used to be if you ran your mouse down the right hand tool bar, each icon would name itself. Sometimes I can't remember which of the 4 bandaids I want. Now you only get the notation if 1) you right click on it, and then only if there are options for that tool. Is this crazy?
I’m not on the device with PS installed (actually I’m on an iPad with PS, but the interface is different) so I can’t tell you precisely where to look, but IIRC there is a setting to turn that off in the (rather gigantic set of) preferences settings.
To your general point, PS definitely does have a few oddball quirks that one gets used to. (I have a particular grudge about one aspect of how layers are handled, but I’ll keep it to myself. ;-) )
I miss buying it outright vs the subscription fees, was really nice to be able to keep your version as-is if you didn't want everything getting changed around here and there with every update.
J2323 wrote:
I miss buying it outright vs the subscription fees, was really nice to be able to keep your version as-is if you didn't want everything getting changed around here and there with every update.
That can kind of work to a point, but you have to isolate it from creative-cloud and other system checks so it doesn't restrict the license. And eventually you start to get soft-locked out of features and then eventually blocked entirely as the older version loses compatibility with newer operating systems. Meaning you can slow-roll it a bit, and prolong it if you keep your os in stasis too, but if not you still have to upgrade every couple of years. Death, taxes, and adobe subs...
This is what my JPEG actions do automatically for me, so I don't fark over the multi-layered PSD I just worked up. 