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What's your take on software correction?
I will not buy a lens that "requires" software correction.
I will buy a lens that "requires" software correction if it otherwise fits my needs/wants.
If there are no other viable options, I will consider buying a lens that "requires" software correction if and when the need arises, but would prefer not to.
I prefer lenses that "require" optical correction if the final image quality is more or less just as good, and it results in a smaller, lighter, and/or less expensive lens.
Undecided.

Lenses that "require" software correction.

  
 
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p.1 #1 · Lenses that "require" software correction.


I'm always reading about people's aversion to lenses that "require" software correction, and am curious about the reasons. For example, many people were very much against IBIS, saying ILIS was so much superior, and some probably still are, but now it appears as if the vast majority really like IBIS. Likewise, many people were very much against mirrorless cameras, touting the superiority of the DSLR format, but now mirrorless seems to have all but completely replaced DSLRs, with at best a small minority who still refuse to embrace mirrorless.

Let's say, for example, that for every lens Canon has made that "requires" software correction, they also made a lens with the same focal/aperture range that didn't "require" software correction, but the lens was larger, heavier, more expensive, and had slower AF, but produced a slightly superior photo (at least, in some respects, like the EF 35 / 1.4L II vs the RF 35 / 1.4L VCM). Would you choose the lens that doesn't "require" software correction, or the lens that does "require" software correction? Or would you decide on a case-by-case basis depending on just how different they were with regards to size, weight, price, operation, and IQ? What if the lens that "required" software correction gave the "higher IQ" photos or there was no meaningful difference in IQ?



Jun 10, 2025 at 01:11 AM
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p.1 #2 · Lenses that "require" software correction.


It has to be “if it otherwise fits my needs or wants”, since I’ve been using zooms with barrel and pincushion distortion for decades. I even sometimes shoot on my wide zoom and keystone correct in software rather than take my tilt-shift lens.

However, if the correction required is too great it will not fit my needs or wants since I shoot on 24Mpx and it will go soft where the image has been stretched too much. This is hard to evaluate without borrowing a lens since most of the reviewers are using higher resolution cameras, but there are lenses I know have crossed this line, and wouldn’t buy.



Jun 10, 2025 at 03:06 AM
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p.1 #3 · Lenses that "require" software correction.


I can remember being somewhat disappointed with my old ef-m 55-200 after buying the newer ef-m 18-150. That is until I updated the firmware in the 55-200, that then became the better lens.


Jun 10, 2025 at 06:17 AM
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p.1 #4 · Lenses that "require" software correction.


Lenses that do not produce usable images without software corrections may have the following disadvantages: if you use it in a mixed-brand setup with an adapter, the software correction may not be available for video, for example. If you record raw video, you may not have easy availability to lens correction profiles. Many lenses are not supported by all software, some software have more comprehensive lens support, others support a narrower set of lenses. Ideally the lens is optically corrected so that it results in pleasing images without software corrections but can be improved with software. A lens that (without software correction) produces huge distortion, for example, may be unusable without software correction, but it may also be more compact than a comparable lens with well-designed optical corrrections. This may be a deciding factor for some users/applications. Lenses that have huge vignetting are problematic even with software correction applied, as the noise increases towards the deeply vignetted areas as they are lifted into the light. Color homogeneity may also suffer.


Jun 10, 2025 at 06:28 AM
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p.1 #5 · Lenses that "require" software correction.


The prices are too high. I feel like I ordered a sirloin burger and got a veggie burger.


Jun 10, 2025 at 07:12 AM
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p.1 #6 · Lenses that "require" software correction.


Are you referring to firmware upgrades or post-processing corrections?

I wouldn't want to correct images in post every time I shot with a certain lens, but a firmware update doesn't bother me.



Jun 10, 2025 at 07:58 AM
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p.1 #7 · Lenses that "require" software correction.


Next question: what do you do, when your camera asks you, "Want me to remove that lamp post"?


Jun 10, 2025 at 09:07 AM
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p.1 #8 · Lenses that "require" software correction.


very glad i bought the 24-105 2.8


Jun 10, 2025 at 10:24 AM
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p.1 #9 · Lenses that "require" software correction.


I feel like people who complain about software corrected lenses are just grumpy old men. If you don't like it, buy something else rather than shaking your fist at the sky because something exists. For me, it's not even a factor since I don't plan on hacking any of my RF lenses onto film cameras. If a lens uses software correction, is half the size and weight for it, and produces acceptable IQ for the task at hand, I'm perfectly OK with it. My corrected lenses are very sharp through 80% of the frame and a bit softer than my EF L glass in the corners. For most situations, that's perfectly acceptable. I choose what lens(es) to carry based on focal length, aperture, size and weight and IQ.


Jun 10, 2025 at 10:33 AM
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p.1 #10 · Lenses that "require" software correction.


I'll add to what @Mike_5D wrote. First, some general points so we have a basis for understanding:

Just about all RF lenses, if you're after near-perfect and near-invisible vignetting, require *some lens correction*. That's every zoom lens (by virtue of having to cover multiple focal lengths), and yes even the highly respected RF 85 1.2L (for vignetting, not so much for distortion). I am no camera/lens historian, so I'm sure there are some "optically perfect lenses" that exist, but we're in the Canon forum, and in the current RF line there basically doesn't exist a lens that doesn't improve with *some* level of profile correction.

Second, there are in my view, two (okay technically three, when you see how I split the first type) general types of lenses requiring profile corrections, and I admit this is my conjecture as I'm not a lens designer nor do I play one on TV.

Type 1 is the kind of lens that was "well we did the best we could to create a lens to meet a price point, but there are still some imperfections which we will correct via a lens profile."

What I think of as Type 1A is for expensive lenses like the RF 85 1.2L, they built that thing to the best of their ability, it requires very little correction, and is priced accordingly. RF L zooms also fall under this type but require more correction because of the complex design nature with creating a zoom vs. a prime lens.

What I think of as Type 1B is for affordable lenses, they are built with significantly lower quality than L glass, and are so optically imperfect that while profile correction may improve their geometry and vignette, it comes at a noticeably visible cost in day-to-day shooting results (corners appear noticeably soft even when stopped down, noise from having to eliminate vignette through the profile correction starts to show through even in properly exposed--or slightly underexposed--images that are brought up in post).

And then there's a (relatively) new Type 2. Lenses that are *designed* with profile correction in mind. The new VCMs fall under this. I do not have the new non-L (but nearly L quality) zooms that Canon has just released within the last year and are garnering positive reviews, but my guess is that those lenses may also fall under this category. These are designed so that even after profile correction for vignette and geometric distortion, the results are equal to or better than older established, respected lenses. I own the 20mm and 35mm VCMs, and the 50 1.2L and until a month ago I owned the 24-70L IS USM. I posted videos in other threads in this forum, but when shooting both against test charts and at museums shooting art work, I found the 35mm VCM to be slightly sharper and with better microcontrast in the middle, and noticeably superior sharpness in the corners than the 24-70L IS USM. And comparing the 35VCM to the 50 1.2 at identical settings (shutter speed, aperture and ISO) while keeping the artwork size as consistent as I could in-frame...the 35 VCM again showed slight sharpness/microcontrast improvement in the center, an advantage which increased towards the corners (though the margin of improvement was smaller than the 35VCM vs. 24-70L @ 35mm).

For a Type 1B lens, I'd likely not be interested in these lenses, as the corrected results still show mediocre (or worse) corner sharpness/noise after correction.

For Type 2 lenses, I'm all in. I love my 20 and 35 VCMs to the point where I easily parted with the 24-70 and have zero remorse.



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p.1 #11 · Lenses that "require" software correction.


SkippyW wrote:
Are you referring to firmware upgrades or post-processing corrections?

I wouldn't want to correct images in post every time I shot with a certain lens, but a firmware update doesn't bother me.


Correction for RAW images is automatic in Lightroom Classic. You actually have to disable corrections by checking a box if you don't want it. It olden days, we had to click the box to enable the corrections.

All my lenses, even the few I still own from the film era, need software correction and those correction profiles are present in DPP4 and Lightroom. Only one lens, my ancient EF 300 4L USM I bought in 1994, lacks a profile and, well, doesn't really need one. I still process old RAW photos from a couple decades back and vacation photos from my horrid EF-S 17-85 wouldn't useable without correction.



Jun 10, 2025 at 11:36 AM
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p.1 #12 · Lenses that "require" software correction.


One benefit of the un(der)corrected distortion in RF wide angle lenses: if you elect to disable software distortion correction in a RAW converter that allows it, and the scene accommodates it, you gain a wider angle lens than you purchased. Of course this may entail cropping out black corners (depending on the crop, you can still retain either the extra horizontal or vertical coverage) or using content-aware fill (adding more 'make believe' to the mix).

By this point it would seem based on the adoption of distortion correction in post by all mirrorless system brands that it's very difficult to avoid. It would also seem that the consensus across lens designers is that it's not evil and while there are tradeoffs, there are also benefits, given that it is being applied not just to budget entry-level lenses, but across all price points. I guess I'm in the user group that will take the non-optical benefits these designs provide as long as the image quality hit is not excessive. Naturally this is a subjective interpretation and at this point, at least for me, I'm not overly critical about it. Therefore I will continue to buy these lenses as long as they meet my requirements, which include decent optical quality, reasonable size, weight and price.



Jun 10, 2025 at 12:55 PM
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p.1 #13 · Lenses that "require" software correction.


I'm kinda between the "consider" and "prefer" statements.... All else been equal, I'd prefer optically higher quality BUT there is no place like "all else been equal". It's something for YT reviewers to get worked up about for clicks but not a useful thing in the real world - like the lack of hoods on non-L's they always complain about.

I think the RF line is starting to build out very nicely and I'm encouraged that we are starting to see a mid grade lens series - the 16-28 & 28-70 f2.8 non-L pair for example... weather sealed, smaller/lighter, significantly cheaper than the matching L's and yet with most - not all - of the FINAL image quality (regardless of how it got there). To be fair, this is Canon just doing what Sigma etc. have done on EF while also barricading the walls to try and keep them out of the RF mount.



Jun 10, 2025 at 01:51 PM
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p.1 #14 · Lenses that "require" software correction.


I am not fussed by computer / camera software corrections. Some of my lens have it. Some don't. What counts for me is how it performs for what I am using it for at the moment and pursuit. All lens involve compromises of weight, cost, speed, a/f, and iq.

Eg.

My 200-800 does not require software corrections.
- in the centre its really good where I need it, from 1/2 hour before/after dawn/dusk where its fast enough.
- my 200-400f4 is better iq but its heavy and physically long - difficult use in the car but much better at f4 in the dark
- my 600/f4 is even better but no zoom and really big, even longer, and heavier - only use out of car for greater distances, usually with 1.4x
- Rf 100-400 is shorter and really good in centre from the car - a bit short but sometimes when it's a quick opportunity you don't miss it. And not great in the dark.

My rf 16/2.8 requires heaps of software correction but:
- I use it for where weight/size really matter. When backpacking I just would not bring a heavy uncorrected lens with a heavy body. It works well enough that if I find /pursue a great subject (falls, waterfalls, ...) it's good enough that I can still print really big. Yes the corners are stretched and the resolution of centre would be nicer if better, but it's f8 and be there (with my 450gram f8, and 190gram 16/2.8, and 24-105 350g. Heavier / bigger would mean less tries at the remote spot.
- But when I shooting near the car its ts17, ts24, Zeiss 15 2.8 Zeiss 25/2 (for nightscapes) , Laowa 12 (really wide)
- I also use it for travel, unobtrusive use and with my RF100-400 / RF 24-105 stm, for pretty good pictures.

I am glad I have lighter, faster, zoom, a/f.. choices - and every time I go out I debate the best lens/body for the intent. I always conclude that function is usually on the top of my list (reach for wildlife, speed in dark, weight for hiking, size/weight for travel.) in determining the tool - not digital correction vs not. Iq matters but modest difference in iq are acceptable trade-offs.



Jun 10, 2025 at 02:12 PM
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p.1 #15 · Lenses that "require" software correction.


Noise reduction is something that has improved over the years. I periodically reprocess a picture from 20 years ago and it looks a lot better. I worry about with time the optical corrections may no longer be available when i go to reprocess. For my photography, I'd rather have a 2.8 lens that doesn't need correction than an faster lens that does.


Jun 10, 2025 at 02:16 PM
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p.1 #16 · Lenses that "require" software correction.


takowasa wrote:
Let's say, for example, that for every lens Canon has made that "requires" software correction, they also made a lens with the same focal/aperture range that didn't "require" software correction, but the lens was larger, heavier, more expensive, and had slower AF, but produced a slightly superior photo (at least, in some respects, like the EF 35 / 1.4L II vs the RF 35 / 1.4L VCM). Would you choose the lens that doesn't "require" software correction, or the lens that does "require" software correction? Or would you decide on a case-by-case basis depending on just how different they were
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In what aspects is the EF 35 / 1.4L II superior to the RF 35/1.4 L VCM? The only direct comparison that I have seen favors the latter for resolution across the frame. But you are right anyway, of course, since there so many aspects to lens performance that it is always possible to find something that you like better in one of the lenses.


melcat wrote:
However, if the correction required is too great it will not fit my needs or wants since I shoot on 24Mpx and it will go soft where the image has been stretched too much. This is hard to evaluate without borrowing a lens since most of the reviewers are using higher resolution cameras, but there are lenses I know have crossed this line, and wouldn’t buy.


The higher resolution camera will provide more detail, whether you compare the corrected or the uncorrected images. From a signal processing perspective it does not make sense to think that a 24 Mpx camera has insufficient resolution for distortion correction to work well.


jcolwell wrote:
Next question: what do you do, when your camera asks you, "Want me to remove that lamp post"?


That is an entirely different matter, but since you ask: I will ditch the camera.







Jun 10, 2025 at 02:23 PM
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p.1 #17 · Lenses that "require" software correction.


jcolwell wrote:
Next question: what do you do, when your camera asks you, "Want me to remove that lamp post"?


Thanks, but can you remove the telephone pole and wires instead? : )

Toothwalker wrote:
In what aspects is the EF 35 / 1.4L II superior to the RF 35/1.4 L VCM? The only direct comparison that I have seen favors the latter for resolution across the frame. But you are right anyway, of course, since there so many aspects to lens performance that it is always possible to find something that you like better in one of the lenses.


Just talk I've read about bokeh, but, myself, I don't really know. Perhaps much ado over nothing -- had the lens not "required" software correction, maybe the naysayers would have never said a word, or even praised the lens. That is, the objections might not have anything to do with actual differences; rather, just picking nits to "justify" a dislike for software correction. But, maybe there's something to it -- I really don't know.



Jun 10, 2025 at 03:28 PM
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p.1 #18 · Lenses that "require" software correction.


Most, if not all modern lenes, benefit in one way or another from digital corrections. The question I am pondering is how much is too much. When does the correction transform from an enhancement to a required process needed to produce a coherent image? In my opinion (that of a grumpy middle aged man) I think the lens designers are starting to push it too far. I understand it is all about compromise and I can appreciate the smaller, less expensive designs but I would like to see a better balance toward optical correction, especially with the "L" lenses.


Jun 10, 2025 at 04:04 PM
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p.1 #19 · Lenses that "require" software correction.


Toothwalker wrote:
In what aspects is the EF 35 / 1.4L II superior to the RF 35/1.4 L VCM? The only direct comparison that I have seen favors the latter for resolution across the frame. But you are right anyway, of course, since there so many aspects to lens performance that it is always possible to find something that you like better in one of the lenses.


The Digital Picture has a great comparator page for lenses, here's the link for their EF 35 1.4L II vs. RF 35 1.4L VCM

https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=994&Camera=979&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=1694&CameraComp=1697&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

Keep in mind it's not going to be a totally fair comparison because the camera bodies will differ (I'm guessing they tested the EF lens prior to Canon's mirrorless releases which makes sense). The link above has the EF on the EOS 5Ds R (and you can choose 1DSmk3 or 7Dmk2 but you'll have a big resolution mismatch) and the RF is on the R5mk2 (you can choose R5 if you want). The results are with lens correction applied for the RF--unsure if the EF lens profile is on, but I would hope so out of fairness. But even if it weren't, the EF is still a $2000 lens as of this writing ($500 more than the VCM) and comes from the halcyon days that predated Canon's "over-reliance" (critics words, not mine) on profile correction, so for those pining for the better optical design of days past shouldn't mind this comparison even if the profile correction has not been applied. And again, there's no definitive sign it hasn't been applied, I'm just accounting for the worst-case scenario.

Toggling between the two lenses, I'm seeing slightly better sharpness at the center, and even better performance at the periphery, for the RF lens across several apertures (didn't check them all, but in the 5 I checked between 1.4 and 8.0, I didn't find one where the EF outperformed the RF).



Jun 10, 2025 at 06:21 PM
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p.1 #20 · Lenses that "require" software correction.


I enjoy the character of a lens, so I prefer to keep corrections turned off unless there’s a particular need, so lenses that require correction (and are basically unusable with out it), are of little interest to me. Weight and price are secondary to me, so I’d rather carry a heavier lens if I love the rendering and image quality. I understand the appeal of lenses that need digital tricks in order to shave weight and cost, it’s just not for me and the way that I shoot.



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