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p.1 #1 · The gear we can make the most of........


A question about personal abilities and what we need vs wants……..I have been using a Canon 5D SR a lot recently and am really liking what I can do with the files using the various lens /software combos I have available.

I mainly shoot studio (fashion etc) or landscape / seascape….and print to A2.

I’m a bit old school in that I will happily revert to one of my Bronicas…sometimes the ETRsi for the number of shots a roll…or my GS1…..if wanting to push the boat out and get 6 X 7 negs to scan. Loads of pro lenses for this gear.

That said…I was in Paris a month ago and took a 1GX….and was happy with my ‘holiday snaps’. And the A3 prints.

It might be obvious now I don’t buy the latest and greatest…I could afford it….but would it make a difference?

Not asking for advice here regarding upgrading kit…just a bit of a discussion about what is a ‘quality’ product…and what does a person really need to get great images? Pro or amateur?


Probably not what the manufacturers / advertisers / ‘influencers’ tell us…in my opinion anyway.



Jun 08, 2025 at 05:55 PM
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The 5DsR was a huge leap in resolution for Canon and the cancelled AA filter allows for maximum details. From June 2015 for over 5 years Canon had nothing else that was close. The R5/R5 II are still not as detailed. Unfortunately because the 5DsR was prior to the 2016 Canon improved sensor technology it suffers at the extremes of noise and DR, but it was not hard to work within the limitations.

Obviously the 5DsR is relatively slow in operation which limits the number of captures for action. There is nothing the operator can do about that but be aware and manage the buffer.

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Jun 08, 2025 at 08:41 PM
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anthonygh wrote:
A question about personal abilities and what we need vs wants……..I have been using a Canon 5D SR a lot recently and am really liking what I can do with the files using the various lens /software combos I have available.

I mainly shoot studio (fashion etc) or landscape / seascape….and print to A2.

I’m a bit old school in that I will happily revert to one of my Bronicas…sometimes the ETRsi for the number of shots a roll…or my GS1…..if wanting to push the boat out and get 6 X 7 negs to scan. Loads of pro lenses for this
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When you ask, "would it make a difference?", you have to qualify that with "to who and under what circumstances?" If getting the shot requires high fps and fast/accurate AF, then, yeah, it can make quite a bit of difference. If you need to use really high ISO settings to mitigate motion blur, then it might make a notable difference.

But let's say you rarely shoot past ISO 1600 and use center AF on relatively slow moving or static scenes, then, no, it probably won't make much of a difference. I mean, there will be differences, but those differences likely won't affect the "success" of your photo, however you might define "success", or your ability to get the photo in the first place.

However, speaking just for myself, the differences in operation between the R5 and 6D2 are night and day -- the R5 is a much more pleasant camera to use, and, going against the crowds, I really loved my 6D2 (I only recently sold it off and had second thoughts all the way through the process). But I finally realized that, no, I would never use the 6D2 again because the R5 and RF lenses I have are just that much nicer than what I had for the 6D2.

Now, if I showed you my keepers from the 6D2 at any print size you like, and my keepers from the R5, I doubt anyone would say that my R5 photos are so much better, or even better at all (I had the 6D2 a lot longer than I've had the R5, so I have a lot more keepers with that than the R5 right now).

But the IBIS of the R5 lets me take shots that I couldn't take, or take nearly as well, as with my 6D2. My R5 lets me focus anywhere in the frame and nails it every time, whereas I stuck to center AF with focus/recompose for every shot. I mean, that alone makes it worth the upgrade. Then add to that the fact that I can get my R5 + RF 70-200 / 4L IS in my small camera bag, whereas I needed a small backpack to use my EF 70-200 / 4L IS II (a brilliant lens, by the way!), and, consequently, rarely used it (I don't shoot long that often, anyway, but that may have simply been a result of the inconvenience), well, that's another feather in the cap for the RF (I've only just gotten the RF 70-200 / 4L IS, though, so I've not had much opportunity to use it yet, but, rest assured, it will be used far, far, far more than the EF was ever used!).

However, I could have gotten a new R6.2 for the same price as my used R5, so why the R5 over the R6.2, then, when the R6.2 has even better operation than the R5? Simple: 45 MP vs 24 MP and the operation of the R5 is so good that I doubt the better operation of the R6.2 would make a difference for my photography (others, of course, will feel quite the opposite). But does the 45 MP vs 24 MP make a difference to the "success" of my photography? Likely not. But what can I say? I like more pixels. : )

In short (I know, too late!), the newer cameras might make a huge difference to you as a result of their superior operation. However, depending on the types of photos you take, the size you display them, and who looks at your photos, you may find that the newer cameras make no or little difference with regards to the "success" of your photography.

So, I say rent an R5 and see what you think. If you're not won over in a day, a week on the outside, then probably best to stick with what you have and wait until something comes out that really does make a difference to you, if that day ever comes.



Jun 08, 2025 at 09:26 PM
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Feel the same op
Always reminds me of a quote I once read someplace regarding fishing tackle…

The latest shiny colourful rods are there to attract the fisherman not the fish ! 🤣

Photography is definitely the same
So many big egos.

Case in point.. the latest R5ii… and obligatory white L zooms ( always has to be L 🤣 is common as muck. Most seem to be used to take random snaps of pets!!

Too funny!!🤣🤣



Jun 09, 2025 at 02:11 AM
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My latest, should be last..., camera is a used 5DsR. Could not resist the price... When I nail focus the result is really satisfying. In some ways even better than what I get with my R5 and the same lenses.

And that is just about the point with the new R´s: The autofocus, the far superior AF, a true revolution in combination with the frame rate. If superior AF would make your catch better, well then go for it.

Otherwise, well, IBIS is actually nice with manual focus lenses. And the focusing aids are far better, zoom in viewfinder and so on. But for almost everything else the newer old stuff is as good. No reason to drool on R´s, except for the AF, perhaps fps.



Jun 09, 2025 at 03:36 AM
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Especially in an era of aggressive "cost cutting" and the constant encroachment of the quarterly-profits-over-everything mindset, newer is most certainly not always better. Parts are less reliable, metal bits are swapped out for plastic, skilled technicians are replaced with less experienced laborers being worked harder for 1/5th the salary, and in general, the window between "new" and "planned obsolescence" grows smaller and smaller with each successive iteration. I think this is, on average, less true of higher end Canon cameras than competitors (though there are certainly exceptions to this rule), but the point remains that its just hard to buy something these days that feels as bulletproof as a 1DX, 5D3, D850, or 5DSR. That alone is reason enough to hold on to older gear, provided you still use and enjoy it.


Jun 09, 2025 at 05:11 AM
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anthonygh wrote:
A question about personal abilities and what we need vs wants……..I have been using a Canon 5D SR a lot recently and am really liking what I can do with the files using the various lens /software combos I have available.

I mainly shoot studio (fashion etc) or landscape / seascape….and print to A2.

I’m a bit old school in that I will happily revert to one of my Bronicas…sometimes the ETRsi for the number of shots a roll…or my GS1…..if wanting to push the boat out and get 6 X 7 negs to scan. Loads of pro lenses for this
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When it is time to get new gear, I”m all for the latest and greatest… but I think that some folks are a bit faster to update than is strictly necessary.

I’m still using a 5DsR for my landscape and wildlife photography. While it isn’t as fast as newer cameras and likely has a higher noise level, it still works really well and I can make very large prints from the files from the camera.

It was a bit of a landmark camera when it came out, so it sustains its value longer than some other cameras might. As mentioned elsewhere in this thread, it has more MP than any current Canon R camera — something that still baffles me, given the popularity of the 5DsR.

I suppose that there are two reasons that I hang on to it — in addition. to the fact that it still works really well.

1. I keep thinking (though with less and less confidence) that Canon will eventually get their act together and produce a camera wiht a sensor that at least equals (or, better, exceeds) the MP of Sony cameras.

2. Because Canon moved to the R mount, there’s a very good chance that moving to Canon R would see me replacing a whole lot of lenses… and that makes me more open to other brand systems, especially Sony. So I watch and wait and consider and continue to use the 5DsR.

We could produce fine results with it when it came out and we still can today.



Jun 09, 2025 at 09:47 AM
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What is a “1GX”?


Jun 09, 2025 at 09:59 AM
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Sometimes it’s not just the destination that is important…sometimes the journey is just as if not more important. I moved away from DSLR’s to mirrorless for the savings in weight and bulk and have not looked back. I enjoy travelling much more with a compact mirrorless setup these days than when I travelled with my DSLR setup…and I believe my photos have improved with the better high ISO and IBIS that came with my mirrorlesssystem.


Jun 09, 2025 at 10:10 AM
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I should perhaps clarify that I generally use the 5DsR in situations in which gear weight and bulk isn’t much of an issue — for example traveling by vehicle to landscape and wildlife photography locations and working from the tripod.

I have more than one system, with a separate IBIS-equipped mirrorless system tailored to light travel and, most often, doing handheld travel and street photography. These small systems are great for that (I am concluding six weeks of international travel with that system today.)

Perhaps that is one reason that the larger DSLR is less of an issue for me.

YMMV.

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I've hiked using the SL2 + 55-250 STM. It's great for getting any posing chipmunks, bird ID photos, or the occasional mountain goat etc since its 400mm ff equivalent. Lens is under 1 lb

Idk if I've seen a single lighter mirrorless tele setup.





Jun 09, 2025 at 01:52 PM
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AmbientMike wrote:
Idk if I've seen a single lighter mirrorless tele setup.



Certainly none with such mediocre image quality...

I think that was the DSLR that finally made me make the leap to mirrorless.




SL-1 vs X-T1




Jun 09, 2025 at 02:30 PM
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AmbientMike wrote:
I've hiked using the SL2 + 55-250 STM. It's great for getting any posing chipmunks, bird ID photos, or the occasional mountain goat etc since its 400mm ff equivalent. Lens is under 1 lb

Idk if I've seen a single lighter mirrorless tele setup.



Let’s try to keep the resulting image quality in the same ball field. I’m sure there are OM systems smaller than your SL2 yet deliver a much better resulting image. We can get into the all in one camera lens setup that are extremely light, but I don’t believe we are talking reducing weight / bulk at all costs.



Jun 09, 2025 at 05:29 PM
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Robin Smith wrote:
What is a “1GX”?


I believe the OP is referring to a Canon G1 X.



Jun 09, 2025 at 06:20 PM
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Caleb Williams wrote:
I believe the OP is referring to a Canon G1 X.


My main travel kit is an R5 + RF 24-105 f4 L (lots'a variations on that range) + either 100--500 L or RF 100-400 depending on how important wildlife is. I supplement these with the 16 f2.8 and 35 f1.8. However I always have my 7 year old G1X mk3. 24-70 FF range f2.8-5.6 full APS-C 24 MP sensor (80D equiv), weather sealed, 30m underwater housing from Canon, and 1 lb weight. When the R5. or 5D4 before, was too bulky or risky or had the long lens, the G did the job with little sacrifice in IQ. It's a jewell that sadly is no longer in production. I have a spare and don't expect an equivalent ever.

I know I repeat this often but I'm just back from a Vancouver to Sitka cruise with lots of rain and harsh lighting and my trusty G took most of my photos. It's just there when I need it.



Jun 09, 2025 at 07:23 PM
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AmbientMike wrote:
I've hiked using the SL2 + 55-250 STM. It's great for getting any posing chipmunks, bird ID photos, or the occasional mountain goat etc since its 400mm ff equivalent. Lens is under 1 lb

Idk if I've seen a single lighter mirrorless tele setup.



I’ve literally just given my mint boxed unused SL2 away, thar along with the 24stm, 18-55stm (last version) old EF 70-300is plus speedlite and off camera cord etc etc (all unused duplicates)
I tried so hard to gel with this camera, but couldn’t - the recipient is absolutely over the moon with it all.

Funny thing is I have no problem at all using the older SL1 and indeed the really old 400D (same size literally) I can work both easily but the SL2… I struggled constantly. The one I just gave away was actually my second SL2, I sold the first one for the same reason, then stupidly bought another 🤣👍🏻



Jun 09, 2025 at 11:21 PM
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I bought two 5DIV's in '17 and they have served me well, pair with a 100LISMacro and that would pay my bills. I specialize in Food and Lifestyle so the 100L or 50L are my go to lens. I did regret selling my 1Dx so I bought another last year, I like how it feels in my hand and the sound of the shutter puts a smile on my face.


Jun 09, 2025 at 11:55 PM
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Pixelpuffin wrote:
I’ve literally just given my mint boxed unused SL2 away, thar along with the 24stm, 18-55stm (last version) old EF 70-300is plus speedlite and off camera cord etc etc (all unused duplicates)
I tried so hard to gel with this camera, but couldn’t - the recipient is absolutely over the moon with it all.

Funny thing is I have no problem at all using the older SL1 and indeed the really old 400D (same size literally) I can work both easily but the SL2… I struggled constantly. The one I just gave away was actually my second SL2, I sold the first
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I knew several pretty serious photographers (the kind of folks who shot and still occasionally shoot film MF and LF) who used the SL models for travel and managed to do OK with it. Back in the day, its small and light design was attractive for certain uses.

Today, though, there are way better options for small and light camera systems.

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Jun 10, 2025 at 07:42 AM
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Every time I made a camera change it was for the better.

I started shooting in HS with Minolta/Miranda/Olympus. I've shot with 35mm/120/4x5 and now digital.

Once I felt like I squeezed every capability out of a camera, and needed more, I moved up.
I also changed when I began to worry about reliability after a lot of use.

My last camera served me well for over 6 years before I hit the limits of focusing and high ISO compared to what new bodies offered. When I needed more, I upgraded and am pleased.

A camera mfg. rep once told me that if you upgrade, don't just go up one generation because the change won't be significant. That's true. A lot of people jump on the 'mark II' as soon as it comes out, and don't actually need it.

In the end, we each do what's right for us individually.
If something is working for you, then don't feel pressured to change.
If you have the $ to upgrade, and love the latest/greatest, then by all means...enjoy! Life's too short!



Jun 10, 2025 at 07:52 AM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
I knew several pretty serious photographers (the kind of folks who shot and still occasionally shoot film MF and LF) who used the SL models for travel and managed to do OK with it. Back in the day, its small and light design was attractive for certain uses.

Today, though, there are way better options for small and light camera systems.


True, yet today my preference is the humble Pentax K3 and K5
I absolutely love the ergonomics and rear display… love it. It makes me want to go and take pictures.
The downside is the AF is a little hit & miss
🤣👍🏻



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