rscheffler wrote:
Not sure why I didn't think to download the photo and run it on my Studio. Just did so and LR Denoise processed it in 12 seconds (time between clicking Enhance and when the thumbnail appears). The progress bar was gone by ~17 seconds. I'm guessing the MBP M4 Max will be 2-3ish seconds slower if also the 16/40 cores configuration.
This might be the solution to the OP problem, if he's got to boot Topaz and do the denoise in LR.
If the denoise process in LR using a MBP M4 MAX with 16/40 cores on a Sony A1 raw file takes ~20 sec then processing a reasonably large batch of photos will consume a fair amount of time. I'm starting to come to grips with the reality that Adobe needs to refine & speed up their denoise Ai, fix what they broke in batch processing, find a way to not lock up LR while running, and rediscover how to take advantage on the Mac's Neural Engine which they're again stopped using.
schlotz wrote:
Adobe needs to refine & speed up their denoise Ai, fix what they broke in batch processing, find a way to not lock up LR while running, and rediscover how to take advantage on the Mac's Neural Engine which they're again stopped using.
schlotz wrote:
If the denoise process in LR using a MBP M4 MAX with 16/40 cores on a Sony A1 raw file takes ~20 sec then processing a reasonably large batch of photos will consume a fair amount of time. I'm starting to come to grips with the reality that Adobe needs to refine & speed up their denoise Ai, fix what they broke in batch processing, find a way to not lock up LR while running, and rediscover how to take advantage on the Mac's Neural Engine which they're again stopped using.
The latest LR update (where the Denoise is non-destructive and does not create a DNG) is significantly faster on my old RTX 3060 than before, taking less than 1/2 the time. Have you tried that yet?
pbraymond wrote:
The latest LR update (where the Denoise is non-destructive and does not create a DNG) is significantly faster on my old RTX 3060 than before, taking less than 1/2 the time. Have you tried that yet?
This^^^ With my new midrange M4 MBP using Adobe's new AI de-noise in ACR -- in PS it's under Filters>Camera Raw Filters>Detail -- a full-size 40mp 16-bit psd the effects are seen and processed essentially real-time. Meaning I see the effects the sliders impart as I'm adjusting them, and as soon as I hit "okay," the now nicely cleaned up image is open in PS. I will add that compared to what I got using the latest Topaz demo, Adobe's new NR was notably better -- I'd go so far as to say impressively so. FWIW...
@pbraymond & Jack, yes the new non-DNG version is faster but this conversation is about how fast it is now vs my workflow needs. 20-30 seconds per photo with a batch of 25+ is the real issue when on a timeline shooting field side. Never mind the fact that the new process completely locks up LR while doing its thing.
pbraymond wrote:
The latest LR update (where the Denoise is non-destructive and does not create a DNG) is significantly faster on my old RTX 3060 than before, taking less than 1/2 the time. Have you tried that yet?
Thanks for the heads up, I will give it a try next week when I have more time to experiment. A quick browse online at Lightroom Queen indicates that while a separate DNG is not written, a sizable amount of data is added to the LR catalog file for each file processed through Enhance/Denoise. So beware of this if your LR catalog is on a drive with limited space, like an already crowded boot drive. It apparently also saves this to XMP sidecar files if you save your edits to them.
I already make separate catalogs for each major project but will probably now locate these in the actual project folder (often on an external drive) to keep multiple catalogs from using excessive storage on the boot drive.
rscheffler wrote:
Thanks for the heads up, I will give it a try next week when I have more time to experiment. A quick browse online at Lightroom Queen indicates that while a separate DNG is not written, a sizable amount of data is added to the LR catalog file for each file processed through Enhance/Denoise. So beware of this if your LR catalog is on a drive with limited space, like an already crowded boot drive. It apparently also saves this to XMP sidecar files if you save your edits to them.
I already make separate catalogs for each major project but will probably now locate these in the actual project folder (often on an external drive) to keep multiple catalogs from using excessive storage on the boot drive....Show more →
"a sizable amount of data is added to the LR catalog file for each file processed through Enhance/Denoise" does not sound good...... thanks for mentioning that.
jumped over to Lightroom Queen for a quick read. I guess that makes sense, it generates new pixels. Before it saved it to DNG, now it saves to the catalog data file. Still better than the DNG method on balance I think.
p.3 #10 · M4 MBP Max and Topaz PhotoAI performance
Update. I loaded LR classic just to test the denoise. Surprisingly, while it's real-time and virtually instantly applied as per my above comment in PS on the full 16-bit PSD. However in LR, the denoise routine on the same raw file takes 9 seconds(!) Both performed on my M4 Max 64 gb Mac Studio. No idea why PS and LRC would be so different.
The other interesting fact, is saving a larger, layered working PSD directly from PS now takes several seconds, depending on size.
p.3 #11 · M4 MBP Max and Topaz PhotoAI performance
Jack Flesher wrote:
This^^^ With my new midrange M4 MBP using Adobe's new AI de-noise in ACR -- in PS it's under Filters>Camera Raw Filters>Detail -- a full-size 40mp 16-bit psd the effects are seen and processed essentially real-time. Meaning I see the effects the sliders impart as I'm adjusting them, and as soon as I hit "okay," the now nicely cleaned up image is open in PS. I will add that compared to what I got using the latest Topaz demo, Adobe's new NR was notably better -- I'd go so far as to say impressively so. FWIW...
Are you sure you are applying AI Denoise? When I open a RAW file in PS from LR and go to the Camera Raw Filter and Detail panel there is no option to apply AI Denoise. Just the regular sliders that adjust instantly.
However, if I open a RAW file from the PS Open file command then in ACR there is the Denoise AI tick box just like in LR.
I compared running Denoise in ACR vs LR and I got the exact same time of 28s on a 50MP A1II Compressed RAW file.
But I don't think you are running Denoise AI when you use the Camera Raw Filter method unless I'm missing it??
p.3 #12 · M4 MBP Max and Topaz PhotoAI performance
arbitrage wrote:
Are you sure you are applying AI Denoise? When I open a RAW file in PS from LR and go to the Camera Raw Filter and Detail panel there is no option to apply AI Denoise. Just the regular sliders that adjust instantly.
However, if I open a RAW file from the PS Open file command then in ACR there is the Denoise AI tick box just like in LR.
I compared running Denoise in ACR vs LR and I got the exact same time of 28s on a 50MP A1II Compressed RAW file.
But I don't think you are running Denoise AI when you use the Camera Raw Filter method unless I'm missing it??...Show more →
You are correct, my bad. I assumed -- a bad mistake -- the "Camera Raw" version was AI. But it is missing the "Denoise" button that is in LRC or ACR... Thanks for correcting.
p.3 #13 · M4 MBP Max and Topaz PhotoAI performance
With a macbook pro m4 max, Cores:16 (12 performance and 4 efficiency) and 40 GPU cores with Memory: 64 GB, I'm seeing about 7-15 seconds per image for the newer version of LR Denoise. It's significantly faster than my m1 Max, but that's probably mostly due to the new LR version. I don't have the old m1 max to do a direct comparison. The 7 seconds was with a smaller resolution a9 III file. With an a1 file, it was about 15 seconds. I gave up on Topaz years ago when LR started producing results that were as good or better, especially for wire service work when one less step was better.
p.3 #14 · M4 MBP Max and Topaz PhotoAI performance
Now at the end of soccer season, having shot and edited 1000s of frames, I'm in the same camp with you Tim. LR's AI-Denoise IMO performs better than Topaz.
