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p.1 #1 · Selling the Q2 Monochrom - a mistake?


I got the Q2 monochrom a few years ago, while still in the US. I find that I don't use it that much. So, I listed it for sale. When someone asked for the shutter count, I took it out of its box and got hit by doubts. On the one hand, I don't use it that much, but on the other hand, I do enjoy the camera as such and it does force me to 'see' in B&W.

The latter I can do with B&W film in an older film camera, but that also means older lenses, manual focus and all the other elements of shooting old film cameras. That's a whole other experience.

Some of you will say, sell it and when you miss it, buy it again. I'm in Europe, though. Until this morning, my Q2M was listed on the main selling sites in Holland and Austria and in both countries it was the only Q2M listed for sale. On MPB Europe, they don't have a single one for sale. So, it won't be an easy sell and rebuy if I sell it now.

I'm planning to keep it for now, but I'm wondering if those who had it and sold it, did regret it. Or how people fared who sold it and then just used a color camera to shoot their B&Ws.




May 03, 2025 at 02:40 AM
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p.1 #2 · Selling the Q2 Monochrom - a mistake?


It’s obviously a personal decision. Everyone has their own circumstances.

In my case, my first Leica camera was a used, mint MP, which I bought in 2019. That was soon followed by an M246 Monochrom. (My original intention was to stick with just two lenses. I managed to do that for several weeks which was, if I say so myself, pretty impressive.)

I really enjoyed having the M246 but, around the time the M11 was released, I was thinking that I would really like to have a colour digital M for travel and when out on longer hikes and climbs. So I traded the M246 for an M11 (the only piece of Leica kit I have ever bought new). For me, that was the right thing to do, and I have no regrets about it, but I do miss the M246. I have quite seriously considered the M11M, but don’t feel that I would use it enough to justify purchasing (and I don’t really want to carry three cameras abroad). Also, if I were to spend that much on another camera I don’t really need, it would more likely be an X2D (which I really don’t need!).

More importantly, I’m pretty happy with the combination of B&W conversions and B&W film. So I can file any residual desire for a monochrome camera under ‘first world problem’.



May 03, 2025 at 03:01 AM
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p.1 #3 · Selling the Q2 Monochrom - a mistake?


johnvanr wrote:
I got the Q2 monochrom a few years ago, while still in the US. I find that I don't use it that much. So, I listed it for sale.
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I'm planning to keep it for now, but I'm wondering if those who had it and sold it, did regret it. Or how people fared who sold it and then just used a color camera to shoot their B&Ws.



Been there done that. Sold my first Q2M for a variety of reasons, mostly economic, I felt guilty having so much money tied up in a single camera. Then I missed having it, bought another, and sold it a short time later.

It all started with the first image below. Taken with a Nikon Zf, I thought this would be a better image in high-contrast monochome. Note the red lettering on the Musk sign. Now check the monochome version below, rendered in Nikon camera matching Monochome via LR:

Where is the lettering on the Musk sign? Well the standard Monochome renders the red medium-light grey, and is lost in the blue back ground of the sign. ☹️ But using a simulated Red filter, in camera or in LR, renders the lettering in near White. So if your were shooting the Q2M in a varied and quickly changing environment, you would have little time (if any) to react and attach a proper color filter to the lens. Had this image been shot with the Q2M, even with the yellow filter, the word HEIL would barely be visible. And, there would be little option to recover it in LR.

So for me, and my shooting preferences, my monochrome camera days are over, and I don't miss it. I can shoot my Zf in mono/raw, and if the BW color rendering is not to my liking I can take the RAW to LR, Photoshop...whatever and adjust the color channels to get a result that pleases me.


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May 03, 2025 at 06:18 AM
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p.1 #4 · Selling the Q2 Monochrom - a mistake?


johnvanr wrote:
I got the Q2 monochrom a few years ago, while still in the US. I find that I don't use it that much. So, I listed it for sale. When someone asked for the shutter count, I took it out of its box and got hit by doubts. On the one hand, I don't use it that much, but on the other hand, I do enjoy the camera as such and it does force me to 'see' in B&W.

The latter I can do with B&W film in an older film camera, but that also means older lenses, manual focus
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I use my M11M about 1/10 the amount I use my M11….unless I needed funds for an emergency I still can’t justify getting rid of the monochrom. I’ve seen plenty of attempts at using LR to emulate monochrom images from standard sensor, but there is still something about the monochrom which has a very special look in my eyes. On top of that, I’ve said it before, but I prefer the images from the last sensor, the M10M and Q2M, over the M11M. My opinion, the images have even more of a medium format look to them than the M11M. Bottom line, unless I needed funds for an emergency, no way I would get rid of the monochrom, its too unique for me. The monochrom makes me say wow every time I use it



May 03, 2025 at 06:29 AM
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johnvanr wrote:
I got the Q2 monochrom a few years ago, while still in the US. I find that I don't use it that much. So, I listed it for sale. When someone asked for the shutter count, I took it out of its box and got hit by doubts. On the one hand, I don't use it that much, but on the other hand, I do enjoy the camera as such and it does force me to 'see' in B&W.

The latter I can do with B&W film in an older film camera, but that also means older lenses, manual focus
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Hey John, PM me when you want to let it go.

Actually, here's my take on it.

johnvanr wrote:
I do enjoy the camera


Done.

johnvanr wrote:
I find that I don't use it that much.


Use it more, done.



I understand the "don't use it that much" aspect of things. My Q2 (regular) and my M246 (mono) both fall into that category, making them a "Gee, maybe I should get rid of them." territory. And, yet ... when I do pick them up I enjoy using them. And the thoughts about missing them, should I sell, them re-emerge. On one hand, there is a smidgen of FOMO involved there. On the other hand, they do provide me with an enjoyment that is different from just being a "tool" that I need, or best serves me for monochrome.

Imo, the monochrome difference (vs. color conversion) on a technical basis has a gap that has been narrowed with the software capabilities that are ever improving. That's not to say they are the same, but I'm saying it won't be a deal breaker for general use difference for most things if you were to be without a monochrome camera.

Imo, the thing that shooting with a monochrome camera does, is it changes your headspace about things. Even if I don't play with filters, and just shoot "straight" mono with my M246, it shifts my headspace whenever I pick it up. For me (ymmv), it puts my headspace into a "classic" mindset. Not so much a technical mindset, and the discussion about "reduction" in terms of what the photographic output of mono vs. color is.

Rather, a reduction in my headspace that I'm observing things more simplistically. My headspace goes back to those folks before us ... those who were pioneers that ONLY worked in the monochrome medium. Kinda of a return to our "forefathers", if that makes any sense. Hard to articulate well, but ... hopefully you get the gist ... that it isn't what the camera does to the image. Rather, it is what the camera does to YOU.

I split my mono work about 50/50 between M246 files and color conversions. I've gotten to a place where I'm pretty confident that I can get the technical aspects closer than most things will matter on a technical basis (90% of the time). Most recently, I've even begun to dabble with colorizing my mono files into color, with reasonable success (from an artistic perspective vs. recording device perspective).

For me, I'm dabbling with the prospect of letting my Q2 and M246 go ... converting them into a Q2M. Thinking that my "not that much" will increase if I combine them. But, that's a consolidation, which is a bit different matter than your dilemma.

That said, similar to how folks are holding on to the M10R vs. the M11, the Q2M an M10M are "keepers", if one is so inclined to their attributes.

That said, back to the top ... if you enjoy it ... enjoy it.


Some folks keep a bottle of nice beverage (i.e. whiskey, Scotch, wine, etc.) on the shelf. It's not their daily beverage. It's their ... when I want something "special", that I enjoy as something "special", it's nice to have around, to take down from the shelf.

Is the Q2M your daily rig ... maybe not. But, if it is something special, that brings you joy, then let it sit on your "special" shelf. It'll be there waiting for you, when you want what it does "to you", in as much as what it does "for you".




May 03, 2025 at 08:11 AM
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p.1 #6 · Selling the Q2 Monochrom - a mistake?


as others said it's a personal thing. However if you're having doubts and don't NEED the dollars from selling it, then wait, don't sell. And in the interim, take it on some photo outings. You may rediscover the joy of shooting with it.

I have the M11M, can't imagine selling it (unless a better Leica monochrome comes along that lifts my skirt), even though I also love shooting color now and then. And I also shoot film now and then, both b/w and color. For me it's all about having the right tool for whatever I feel like shooting. Same thing goes for my selection of lenses.

In other words, a decision to sell your QM doesn't need to be on the basis of "I'm not using it enough".



May 03, 2025 at 08:33 AM
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p.1 #7 · Selling the Q2 Monochrom - a mistake?


I’m the same. I love the *idea* of the Q2M. But I don’t use it much. K, on the other hand, uses hers as her main camera and her Q3 is the backup.

It comes down to the same thing. 28mm can’t be my main focal length. A Q3-43M or SL3M would both suit me more. I WANT to love the Q2M. But I don’t use it. I too should let it go but I haven’t yet.

But this has inspired me to evaluate it more and make a decision. My M’s are all going except my M11M. That might scratch that itch.

Gordon



May 03, 2025 at 05:55 PM
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p.1 #8 · Selling the Q2 Monochrom - a mistake?


If you're on the fence, I'd agree with others that you should wait a bit before making up your mind.

Personally, I had a Q2M and quite enjoyed it, but ultimately sold it. It was too many dollars to tie up in a camera that I rarely used. I totally get the emotional attachment that it engenders, though. And I also get the point about being forced to see in black and white. But ultimately, I can get most of the same effect by putting my Q3 in B&W mode, and I get the additional flexibility of applying filters in post. The monochrom files do sometimes have a special look to them, but frankly I haven't maximized the capabilities of my Q3 as it is.



May 03, 2025 at 06:49 PM
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p.1 #9 · Selling the Q2 Monochrom - a mistake?


johnvanr wrote:
I got the Q2 monochrom a few years ago, while still in the US. I find that I don't use it that much. So, I listed it for sale. When someone asked for the shutter count, I took it out of its box and got hit by doubts. On the one hand, I don't use it that much, but on the other hand, I do enjoy the camera as such and it does force me to 'see' in B&W.

The latter I can do with B&W film in an older film camera, but that also means older lenses, manual focus
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I owned the Leica M9 monochrom and instead of viewing the surroundings in B/W, think of it more like luminance levels. You know that golden light at sunset that rakes shadows across everything, that’s luminance and everything in between. Having purchased the Q2, I find it to be very much like a AF M camera as I only use one lens on my M2. The standard B/W preset in the Q2 is, imo, as good as the output from the monochrom with a few tweeks, but if wanting a true monochrom, silver gelatin print nothing beats a film camera!



May 03, 2025 at 07:18 PM
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p.1 #10 · Selling the Q2 Monochrom - a mistake?


The relatively ISO-invariant sensor performance of a native monochrome digital sensor is difficult/impossible to reproduce with film or converting color files to B/W. It may not be needed every day, but I sure enjoy being able to dial up the ISO to 12500 and know the sensor will deliver. That plus a good enough AF, and an unobtrusive leaf shutter gets me shots I cannot get with any of my color cameras or film.


May 03, 2025 at 07:29 PM
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p.1 #11 · Selling the Q2 Monochrom - a mistake?


johnvanr wrote:
The latter I can do with B&W film in an older film camera, but that also means older lenses, manual focus and all the other elements of shooting old film cameras. That's a whole other experience.


If film itself is a serious alternative but you don't want to deal with older or manual gear, then I'm prepared to make a case for the Nikon N80.



May 03, 2025 at 08:41 PM
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p.1 #12 · Selling the Q2 Monochrom - a mistake?


It all depends on how you see and how you shoot. I seem to make my most compelling photographs with a Q2m, so that is the one camera I will not be selling.


May 05, 2025 at 11:09 PM





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