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p.2 #1 · DxO PureRAW 5


I D/L the trial of PL 8.5 and it is terrible. The XD/XD2 in that version is substantially subpar compared to XD in PL 7 or PL 6. Deeply Primed 3 is even worse. It is not selecting the full subject but blurry like a fake reduction of DOF you'd get with a fast prime or Iphone AI, and yet the OOF backgrounds are grainy. I have no idea what they are doing. Maybe it is for Sony and fast primes of humanoid subjects?

I should have just bought another set of PL6 licenses a couple years ago.

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May 03, 2025 at 01:36 AM
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p.2 #2 · DxO PureRAW 5


Denoising is applied by DxO Photolab 8 to the entire image. When you say "It is not selecting the full subject" this doesn't sound like you are doing denoising. I haven't experienced the problems you mentioned but I shall be happy to help if something is confusing about PL8.

EB-1 wrote:
I D/L the trial of PL 8.5 and it is terrible. The XD/XD2 in that version is substantially subpar compared to XD in PL 7 or PL 6. Deeply Primed 3 is even worse. It is not selecting the full subject but blurry like a fake reduction of DOF you'd get with a fast prime or Iphone AI, and yet the OOF backgrounds are grainy. I have no idea what they are doing. Maybe it is for Sony and fast primes of humanoid subjects?

I should have just bought another set of PL6 licenses a couple years ago.

EBH




May 03, 2025 at 06:04 AM
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p.2 #3 · DxO PureRAW 5


No problems here either.

ruthenium wrote:
Denoising is applied by DxO Photolab 8 to the entire image. When you say "It is not selecting the full subject" this doesn't sound like you are doing denoising. I haven't experienced the problems you mentioned but I shall be happy to help if something is confusing about PL8.





May 03, 2025 at 07:53 AM
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p.2 #4 · DxO PureRAW 5


I spent a couple of hours processing images to 16-bit TIFFs with all three modes (PL7 DPXD, PL8 DPXD/XD2, PL8 DP3) and overlaying them in PS (A/B/C test). I'm not explaining the appearance of the output clearly, but the new versions are poor for how I use my Canons, to some degree the R5 and more so the R5 II The challenge with this software, like some others, is that a fixed input is producing a significantly different output in each version. If I were some kind of normal worker that processed images to completion and was done with them it might not matter so much, but I have all of the 2020s to work on and probably that is 2-3 years. Obviously I have to reconsider everything since the R5 II is worse than the R5 and the new DXO NR is much less useful.

If the old saying that doing the same thing again and again and expecting a different outcome is insanity, then this software is very sane.

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May 03, 2025 at 09:31 AM
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p.2 #5 · DxO PureRAW 5


Not to derail this thread, too much however I have been a very enthusiastic user of pure raw since version two and I have generally speaking upgraded yearly. I am a little reluctant to upgrade to pure raw V5 given I can probably get a discount on buying photo lab 8 and getting all of the new noise reduction models baked in. I wonder how much more I would use photo lab with the proviso that I am not considering getting rid of Lightroom anytime soon.


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p.2 #6 · DxO PureRAW 5


I purchased DxO PureRAW 5 a few days ago they went from 5.01 to 5.2 to 5.3 another update today. I asked them a question that allot of people thought version 4 was better, if there was a way to get a copy of 4 to try. But no response yet. Can anyone tell me the difference between RAW 5.3 vs PL 8 when it comes to DeNoise?


May 07, 2025 at 06:11 PM
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p.2 #7 · DxO PureRAW 5


Here was DxOs response to my question. Maybe it will help maybe not.
(Support & Assistance)
May 8, 2025, 3:47 AM GMT+2

Hello Michael,

Thank you for reaching out and for sharing your thoughtful questions and photography background.
We truly appreciate your interest in DxO products, and we understand how important it is to choose the right tool, especially when it comes to the critical task of noise reduction in high-quality wildlife photography.

First, we would like to acknowledge your experience and the care you're taking in evaluating your purchase especially considering your use of professional gear like the Nikon D9 and premium AF-S telephoto lenses. It's clear you're striving for the best in image quality, and we're here to help you.

Both DxO PureRAW 5 and DxO PhotoLab 8 Elite share the same underlying denoising technology, including the acclaimed DeepPRIME and DeepPRIME XD algorithms. As a result, the core noise reduction performance is effectively identical between the two applications.
However, the distinction lies in workflow and editing flexibility:
DxO PureRAW 5 is optimized for photographers who prefer to perform denoising and optical corrections as a preprocessing step before continuing their workflow in Photoshop or Lightroom. It excels in delivering clean, linear DNGs without requiring manual image adjustments.
DxO PhotoLab 8 , on the other hand, is a full-featured RAW editor. In addition to the same denoising engine, it offers advanced local adjustments, color and tone control, and masking tools. For users seeking a more hands-on and all-in-one editing environment, it provides extensive creative control.



Since you've worked extensively with Photoshop, PureRAW 5 was a logical and strong choice to fit into your existing pipeline. But if you're now exploring more comprehensive editing options or feel you'd benefit from localized control before exporting—PhotoLab 8 might be worth considering in addition to, not instead of, PureRAW.

We’ve heard community discussions as well regarding preferences between versions. However, please rest assured that PureRAW 5 builds upon v4 with performance improvements and usability enhancements. While subjective preference can vary (especially regarding interface changes or specific processing behaviors), PureRAW 5 continues to use the same DeepPRIME XD engine that delivers state-of-the-art results.
Unfortunately, earlier versions like PureRAW 4 are no longer available for download, and there is no official rollback option for already upgraded licenses.

What we can suggest:
If your sole goal is the highest quality denoising with minimal manual intervention, PureRAW 5 remains the most efficient solution, especially with your Nikon D9 and long-lens setup.
If you're now looking to gain more manual control post-denoising, or explore an all-in-one alternative, PhotoLab 8 can be trialed separately to evaluate how it fits into your broader editing workflow.



We hope this provides clarity and helps you feel confident in your purchase decision. If you have additional questions, we’d be more than happy to assist.

Kind regards,
DxO Labs Support Team



May 08, 2025 at 04:51 AM
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p.2 #8 · DxO PureRAW 5


MKuran wrote:
Unfortunately, earlier versions like PureRAW 4 are no longer available for download, and there is no official rollback option for already upgraded licenses.


I kind of expected that and assume it may be the same with PL versions.
You can easily install the PL demo, which is fully functioning for 30 days on that machine. I've installed it like 4 times on one of my test builds and it continues to count from the initial installation. It's a pretty good way to be able to test the software on differnt hardware or compare workflows in your case.

My problem is that each version substantially changes the NR models so it's not possible to achieve the same results. In some cases it is better and other cases worse, depending on the camera and subject.

EBH




May 09, 2025 at 09:28 AM
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p.2 #9 · DxO PureRAW 5


MKuran wrote:
I purchased DxO PureRAW 5 a few days ago they went from 5.01 to 5.2 to 5.3 another update today. I asked them a question that allot of people thought version 4 was better, if there was a way to get a copy of 4 to try. But no response yet. Can anyone tell me the difference between RAW 5.3 vs PL 8 when it comes to DeNoise?


I know in PR4 you could chose a "DeepPrime" vs "DeepPRIME XD" but I don't think it was possible to go back a version unless you reinstalled or kept your prior software.



May 09, 2025 at 11:27 AM
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p.2 #10 · DxO PureRAW 5


After hours of A/B or A/B/C comparisons I'm still not seeing the value of DeepPRIME 3 compared to XD/XD2. Can anyone explain where they use the DP3 option? At lower ISOs there is not much difference but at high ISOs the DP3 is not cleaning up the OOF background areas as well as XD/XD2. DP3 also has less details, even when force details is increased.

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May 10, 2025 at 05:58 PM
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p.2 #11 · DxO PureRAW 5


1) Denoising with DeepPRIME XD takes 3-4 times longer vs DeepPRIME 3; thus the latter can be a practical choice for use on slower computers. Not everyone has the latest MacBook Pro or a fast GPU in a Windows computer. Also, denoising 60 - 100MP raw files that don't have much noise even at relatively high ISO (e.g. from the GFX100 or GFX100S at ISO12800) can be efficiently done using the faster DeepPRIME 3.
2) While DeepPRIME 3 doesn't modify images as part of denoising, DeepPRIME XD makes an attempt at restoring and refining details partly lost to noise. This is particularly beneficial for denoising bird and general wildlife images. The effect may look akin to sharpening - the XD is for extra detail. It is for this reason that DeepPRIME 3 might be considered a better denoising method for portraits in those cases when the extra detail is not wanted.
3) This is very rare, and is of little concern, but I have seen the use of the aggressive denoising method DeepPRIME XD/XD2 to produce artifacts, e.g. remove a regular pattern in the background. Thus, in critical cases, when faithful reproduction is important, one may watch for artifacts when using DeepPRIME XD/XD2 and use DeepPRIME 3 if necessary.

To summarize: the two methods are complimentary. While DeepPRIME XD/XD2 can be rightly called a more efficient and superior denoising method vs DeepPRIME 3, it is useful to retain access to the latter for use in special cases or under certain circumstances.



May 10, 2025 at 07:59 PM
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p.2 #12 · DxO PureRAW 5


Thanks. I'm using DXO for wildlife images mostly from Sony and Canon cameras, and I will get around to Nikon files later. On a laptop with AMD or Intel iGPU any of the DeepPRIME modes are slow, so maybe the DP3 is good for quick checks in the field. (I will test it later.) At home in the states I have a strong discrete GPU that converts 45 or 61MP RAWs to 16-bit TIFFs via XD in 3-4 seconds so that's not an issue. I just wish the DP3 denoised the backgrounds more as that can be a problem.

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May 10, 2025 at 10:01 PM
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p.2 #13 · DxO PureRAW 5


Well PL 8.5 DP3 sure is fast on the desktop! 1.16 sec. per 45MP RAW file converted to 16-bit TIFF with some detail, sharpening, vignetting, and CA settings applied.

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May 11, 2025 at 02:51 AM
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p.2 #14 · DxO PureRAW 5


To add to my above post about the differences between DeepPRIME 3 and DeepPRIME XD/XD2 in DxO PL8:
I noticed this yesterday when pixel-peeping that DeepPRIME 3 contributes to the correction of CA. DxO PL8 does have a dedicated tool for correcting CAs; however, in practice this tool under-corrects the aberrations, leaving some faint purple fringing around contrasty edges. It is this residual CA that is successfully removed by DeepPRIME 3, but not by DeepPRIME XD/XD2.
The news release that accompanied the introduction of DeepPRIME 3 actually mentioned that this new method does "RAW image demosaicing, denoising, and chromatic aberration removal in a single pass" yet I didn't pay enough attention at that time.



May 22, 2025 at 09:31 PM
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p.2 #15 · DxO PureRAW 5


1. My sirst step is FastRawViewer
2. The keepers are exported as RAW’s to DXOPhotoLab 5 for DeepPrime.



May 23, 2025 at 07:53 AM
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p.2 #16 · DxO PureRAW 5


ruthenium wrote:
To add to my above post about the differences between DeepPRIME 3 and DeepPRIME XD/XD2 in DxO PL8:
I noticed this yesterday when pixel-peeping that DeepPRIME 3 contributes to the correction of CA. DxO PL8 does have a dedicated tool for correcting CAs; however, in practice this tool under-corrects the aberrations, leaving some faint purple fringing around contrasty edges. It is this residual CA that is successfully removed by DeepPRIME 3, but not by DeepPRIME XD/XD2.
The news release that accompanied the introduction of DeepPRIME 3 actually mentioned that this new method does "RAW image demosaicing, denoising, and chromatic aberration removal in
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I hope they can update the XD/XD2 to an XD3 that includes some of the same feetures. DeepPrime 3 is good enough for some things, but not the backgrounds. Eventually I'd like to see sliders for everything and not all the separate models.

EBH



May 23, 2025 at 09:29 AM
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