New release Sigma 300-600mm f/4 Full frame
p.3 #1New release Sigma 300-600mm f/4 Full frame
Canon shooter... ;-)
galenapass wrote:
I cringe when I see someone putting their fingers in the way.
galenapass wrote:
Quicksetter1 wrote
Hand holding this lens shouldn't be a problem if you're built like my friend here.Feb 24, 2025 at 05:19 PM
p.3 #2New release Sigma 300-600mm f/4 Full frame
One thing I enjoy about photographing cats is that you can do it with any focal length, which turns out to be really affordable. Birds are neat too though. 
I do love and very much appreciate the excellent pristine aesthetics of Sigma's impressive new 300-600mm lens.
I do love and very much appreciate the excellent pristine aesthetics of Sigma's impressive new 300-600mm lens.
Feb 24, 2025 at 05:33 PM
p.3 #3New release Sigma 300-600mm f/4 Full frame
The lens is very interesting. Constant aperture is nice for video too.
Just echoing others comments. Seems such a shame to cripple a possibly game changing lens with 15fps limitations and no tc on Sony.
That weight would have been reasonable not too long ago.
Guess Sony doesn’t want to blow up the market for their 400/600 GMs with something half the price, more flexible, although much heavier.
Just echoing others comments. Seems such a shame to cripple a possibly game changing lens with 15fps limitations and no tc on Sony.
That weight would have been reasonable not too long ago.
Guess Sony doesn’t want to blow up the market for their 400/600 GMs with something half the price, more flexible, although much heavier.
Feb 24, 2025 at 06:57 PM
p.3 #4New release Sigma 300-600mm f/4 Full frame
ASC_1900 wrote:
Wonder if it can take 1.4 and 2x?negative. same deal with the Sigma 500mm. Only L mount can use TCIs it confirmed? And would more than 15fps burst rate be possible?
I'm hoping Sigma somehow could've managed to do more than 15fps for this very special lens at a very special price
It's not Sigma but rather it's Sony that has set the 15fps limit on third party glass.
Alex Phan wrote
BigBabyMoses06 wrote
Whoaaaaaa that's really cool! F4 is a huge deal, and $6k is HALF of the Sony 600 F4.Wonder if it can take 1.4 and 2x?
I'm hoping Sigma somehow could've managed to do more than 15fps for this very special lens at a very special price
It's not Sigma but rather it's Sony that has set the 15fps limit on third party glass.
Feb 24, 2025 at 07:19 PM
p.3 #5New release Sigma 300-600mm f/4 Full frame
robert_in_ca wrote:
Wonder if it can take 1.4 and 2x?negative. same deal with the Sigma 500mm. Only L mount can use TCIs it confirmed? And would more than 15fps burst rate be possible?
I'm hoping Sigma somehow could've managed to do more than 15fps for this very special lens at a very special priceIt's not Sigma but rather it's Sony that has set the 15fps limit on third party glass.
Yes I know that (for the 1000th time lol), it is, however, a deal between sigma and sony. If sigma really wanted to push this lens out to professional sports and wildlife photographers, it would seem logical that sigma will make a deal with Sony to resolve this limit on a high end lens like this.
Maybe Sony will budget so that the a1/a9 series will sell better ( I hope).
ASC_1900 wrote
Alex Phan wrote
BigBabyMoses06 wrote
Whoaaaaaa that's really cool! F4 is a huge deal, and $6k is HALF of the Sony 600 F4.Wonder if it can take 1.4 and 2x?
I'm hoping Sigma somehow could've managed to do more than 15fps for this very special lens at a very special price
Yes I know that (for the 1000th time lol), it is, however, a deal between sigma and sony. If sigma really wanted to push this lens out to professional sports and wildlife photographers, it would seem logical that sigma will make a deal with Sony to resolve this limit on a high end lens like this.
Maybe Sony will budget so that the a1/a9 series will sell better ( I hope).
Feb 24, 2025 at 07:23 PM
p.3 #6New release Sigma 300-600mm f/4 Full frame
Sigma, for the 1000th time: "Sony, please please please please please with sugar on top"
Sony: "No"
It takes two to make a deal. Of course Sigma really wants it.
Panasonic won't mind.
ASC_1900 wrote:
Wonder if it can take 1.4 and 2x?negative. same deal with the Sigma 500mm. Only L mount can use TCIs it confirmed? And would more than 15fps burst rate be possible?
I'm hoping Sigma somehow could've managed to do more than 15fps for this very special lens at a very special priceIt's not Sigma but rather it's Sony that has set the 15fps limit on third party glass.Yes I know that (for the 1000th time lol), it is, however, a deal between sigma and sony. If sigma really wanted to push this lens out to professional sports and wildlife photographers, it would seem logical that sigma will make a deal with Sony to resolve this limit on a high end lens like this.
Maybe Sony will budget so that the a1/a9 series will sell better ( I hope).
Sony: "No"
It takes two to make a deal. Of course Sigma really wants it.
Panasonic won't mind.
ASC_1900 wrote:
robert_in_ca wrote
ASC_1900 wrote
Alex Phan wrote
BigBabyMoses06 wrote
Whoaaaaaa that's really cool! F4 is a huge deal, and $6k is HALF of the Sony 600 F4.Wonder if it can take 1.4 and 2x?
I'm hoping Sigma somehow could've managed to do more than 15fps for this very special lens at a very special price
Maybe Sony will budget so that the a1/a9 series will sell better ( I hope).
Feb 24, 2025 at 07:33 PM
p.3 #7New release Sigma 300-600mm f/4 Full frame
ASC_1900 wrote:
Wonder if it can take 1.4 and 2x?negative. same deal with the Sigma 500mm. Only L mount can use TCIs it confirmed? And would more than 15fps burst rate be possible?
I'm hoping Sigma somehow could've managed to do more than 15fps for this very special lens at a very special priceIt's not Sigma but rather it's Sony that has set the 15fps limit on third party glass.Yes I know that (for the 1000th time lol), it is, however, a deal between sigma and sony. If sigma really wanted to push this lens out to professional sports and wildlife photographers, it would seem logical that sigma will make a deal with Sony to resolve this limit on a high end lens like this.
Maybe Sony will budget so that the a1/a9 series will sell better ( I hope).
Sorry what I was meaning to say is Sony will not do it no matter what deal Sigma tries or wants to make with them.
robert_in_ca wrote
ASC_1900 wrote
Alex Phan wrote
BigBabyMoses06 wrote
Whoaaaaaa that's really cool! F4 is a huge deal, and $6k is HALF of the Sony 600 F4.Wonder if it can take 1.4 and 2x?
I'm hoping Sigma somehow could've managed to do more than 15fps for this very special lens at a very special price
Maybe Sony will budget so that the a1/a9 series will sell better ( I hope).
Sorry what I was meaning to say is Sony will not do it no matter what deal Sigma tries or wants to make with them.
Feb 24, 2025 at 07:38 PM
p.3 #8New release Sigma 300-600mm f/4 Full frame
Choderboy wrote:
Sigma, for the 1000th time: "Sony, please please please please please with sugar on top"
Sony: "No"
It takes two to make a deal. Of course Sigma really wants it.
Panasonic won't mind.
Wonder if it can take 1.4 and 2x?negative. same deal with the Sigma 500mm. Only L mount can use TCIs it confirmed? And would more than 15fps burst rate be possible?
I'm hoping Sigma somehow could've managed to do more than 15fps for this very special lens at a very special priceIt's not Sigma but rather it's Sony that has set the 15fps limit on third party glass.Yes I know that (for the 1000th time lol), it is, however, a deal between sigma and sony. If sigma really wanted to push this lens out to professional sports and wildlife photographers, it would seem logical that sigma will make a deal with Sony to resolve this limit on a high end lens like this.
Maybe Sony will budget so that the a1/a9 series will sell better ( I hope).
It's not that simple is it? In order to make a deal, of course one would reasonably imagine sony will want to charge a royalty. It could be up to Sigma to decide. It could be up to sigma to decide is it worth it to sacrifice x% on each lens for y amount more lenses sold. And it could be up to Sony to decide that if I charge royalties, is that a good deal or not? Maybe Sony will sell more A1/A9 series cameras because of this.
It's not as simple as Sony just either remove or keep the limit.
Sigma, for the 1000th time: "Sony, please please please please please with sugar on top"
Sony: "No"
It takes two to make a deal. Of course Sigma really wants it.
Panasonic won't mind.
ASC_1900 wrote
robert_in_ca wrote
ASC_1900 wrote
Alex Phan wrote
BigBabyMoses06 wrote
Whoaaaaaa that's really cool! F4 is a huge deal, and $6k is HALF of the Sony 600 F4.Wonder if it can take 1.4 and 2x?
I'm hoping Sigma somehow could've managed to do more than 15fps for this very special lens at a very special price
Maybe Sony will budget so that the a1/a9 series will sell better ( I hope).
It's not that simple is it? In order to make a deal, of course one would reasonably imagine sony will want to charge a royalty. It could be up to Sigma to decide. It could be up to sigma to decide is it worth it to sacrifice x% on each lens for y amount more lenses sold. And it could be up to Sony to decide that if I charge royalties, is that a good deal or not? Maybe Sony will sell more A1/A9 series cameras because of this.
It's not as simple as Sony just either remove or keep the limit.
Feb 24, 2025 at 07:57 PM
p.3 #9New release Sigma 300-600mm f/4 Full frame
I imagine the 15fps limit is part of the E-mount licensing deal Sigma struck with Sony, and I can imagine why -- camera manufacturers probably make far more money from lenses than camera bodies, and Sony ain't about to give up a chunk of its telephone lens sales to Sigma if it doesn't have to. I suspect Sony would rather the likes of AP and other professional buyers shell out $12K for the 600/4 or 400/2.8 to shoot sports at 30fps, for example, than hand that business to Sigma.
Maybe one day they'll revisit the licensing deal and Sigma will be willing to pay a bit more to throw off the shackles, but for now I guess the business argument is not yet there.
Maybe one day they'll revisit the licensing deal and Sigma will be willing to pay a bit more to throw off the shackles, but for now I guess the business argument is not yet there.
Feb 24, 2025 at 09:06 PM
p.3 #10New release Sigma 300-600mm f/4 Full frame
Like others have said. 300 2.8 seems better overall for lighter weight and still providing the option for 600 5.6 with the 2x. Let’s see what the testers can do with the lens to see if it really shines at 600 f4. If it does, I could see it being really nice on monopod for field sports or motorsports.
Feb 24, 2025 at 10:01 PM
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p.3 #11New release Sigma 300-600mm f/4 Full frame
ASC_1900 wrote:
Wonder if it can take 1.4 and 2x?negative. same deal with the Sigma 500mm. Only L mount can use TCIs it confirmed? And would more than 15fps burst rate be possible?
I'm hoping Sigma somehow could've managed to do more than 15fps for this very special lens at a very special price
the policy hasn't changed yet. All 3rd party max out at 15 fps. TC only for L mount.
Alex Phan wrote
BigBabyMoses06 wrote
Whoaaaaaa that's really cool! F4 is a huge deal, and $6k is HALF of the Sony 600 F4.Wonder if it can take 1.4 and 2x?
I'm hoping Sigma somehow could've managed to do more than 15fps for this very special lens at a very special price
the policy hasn't changed yet. All 3rd party max out at 15 fps. TC only for L mount.
Feb 25, 2025 at 01:10 AM
p.3 #12New release Sigma 300-600mm f/4 Full frame
Choderboy wrote:
Sigma, for the 1000th time: "Sony, please please please please please with sugar on top"
Sony: "No"
It takes two to make a deal. Of course Sigma really wants it.
Panasonic won't mind.
ASC_1900 wrote:
It's not that simple is it? In order to make a deal, of course one would reasonably imagine sony will want to charge a royalty. It could be up to Sigma to decide. It could be up to sigma to decide is it worth it to sacrifice x% on each lens for y amount more lenses sold. And it could be up to Sony to decide that if I charge royalties, is that a good deal or not? Maybe Sony will sell more A1/A9 series cameras because of this.
It's not as simple as Sony just either remove or keep the...Show more →
Obviously, we don't know.
It might be that simple.
It could be far more complex.
Sony may want some financial incentive.
They may have decided no and won't budge on that, ie Sigma (and Tamron) might not have been offered any deal at all.
Sigma, for the 1000th time: "Sony, please please please please please with sugar on top"
Sony: "No"
It takes two to make a deal. Of course Sigma really wants it.
Panasonic won't mind.
ASC_1900 wrote:
It's not that simple is it? In order to make a deal, of course one would reasonably imagine sony will want to charge a royalty. It could be up to Sigma to decide. It could be up to sigma to decide is it worth it to sacrifice x% on each lens for y amount more lenses sold. And it could be up to Sony to decide that if I charge royalties, is that a good deal or not? Maybe Sony will sell more A1/A9 series cameras because of this.
It's not as simple as Sony just either remove or keep the...Show more →
Obviously, we don't know.
It might be that simple.
It could be far more complex.
Sony may want some financial incentive.
They may have decided no and won't budge on that, ie Sigma (and Tamron) might not have been offered any deal at all.
Feb 25, 2025 at 04:53 AM
p.3 #13New release Sigma 300-600mm f/4 Full frame
A good case can be made to buy these Sigma lenses if Panasonic starts to perform like Sony cameras. Sigma will convert their lenses from E to L for $50.
Feb 25, 2025 at 07:55 AM
p.3 #14New release Sigma 300-600mm f/4 Full frame
mogul wrote:
A good case can be made to buy these Sigma lenses if Panasonic starts to perform like Sony cameras. Sigma will convert their lenses from E to L for $50.
Just watched the PP review of the S1RII. Non-stacked sensor with significant rolling shutter make that camera at best a 9FPS camera to use for any type of fast motion. Even to get that you give up AF-C tracking but do get AF-C with subject detection.
The S1RII could have put pressure on the others if it had a stacked sensor. Maybe in another 6 years it will in the SRIII
A good case can be made to buy these Sigma lenses if Panasonic starts to perform like Sony cameras. Sigma will convert their lenses from E to L for $50.
Just watched the PP review of the S1RII. Non-stacked sensor with significant rolling shutter make that camera at best a 9FPS camera to use for any type of fast motion. Even to get that you give up AF-C tracking but do get AF-C with subject detection.
The S1RII could have put pressure on the others if it had a stacked sensor. Maybe in another 6 years it will in the SRIII
Feb 25, 2025 at 08:30 AM
p.3 #15New release Sigma 300-600mm f/4 Full frame
arbitrage wrote:
Just watched the PP review of the S1RII. Non-stacked sensor with significant rolling shutter make that camera at best a 9FPS camera to use for any type of fast motion. Even to get that you give up AF-C tracking but do get AF-C with subject detection.
The S1RII could have put pressure on the others if it had a stacked sensor. Maybe in another 6 years it will in the SRIII
Agree, just watched the same review. If you want to shoot action with the new Sigma lens, one will have to use it on a Sony body, with 15 fps and the associated increased lens weight (relative to Sony options). Panasonic is not going to help, unfortunately.
mogul wrote
A good case can be made to buy these Sigma lenses if Panasonic starts to perform like Sony cameras. Sigma will convert their lenses from E to L for $50.The S1RII could have put pressure on the others if it had a stacked sensor. Maybe in another 6 years it will in the SRIII
Agree, just watched the same review. If you want to shoot action with the new Sigma lens, one will have to use it on a Sony body, with 15 fps and the associated increased lens weight (relative to Sony options). Panasonic is not going to help, unfortunately.
Feb 25, 2025 at 08:50 AM
p.3 #16New release Sigma 300-600mm f/4 Full frame
galenapass wrote:
Just watched the PP review of the S1RII. Non-stacked sensor with significant rolling shutter make that camera at best a 9FPS camera to use for any type of fast motion. Even to get that you give up AF-C tracking but do get AF-C with subject detection.
The S1RII could have put pressure on the others if it had a stacked sensor. Maybe in another 6 years it will in the SRIIIAgree, just watched the same review. If you want to shoot action with the new Sigma lens, one will have to use it on a Sony body, with 15 fps and the associated increased lens weight (relative to Sony options). Panasonic is not going to help, unfortunately.
what a great but odd product then. They come out with a truly unique and groundbreaking design with no body to pair it with for its intended use with the current standards.
I am still happy that this design is possible and hope more will come. I dreamed of a 200-400 2.8 with TC and 300-600 TC to be possible one day but I did not expect a product to arrive, albeit without TC, so quickly.
arbitrage wrote
mogul wrote
A good case can be made to buy these Sigma lenses if Panasonic starts to perform like Sony cameras. Sigma will convert their lenses from E to L for $50.The S1RII could have put pressure on the others if it had a stacked sensor. Maybe in another 6 years it will in the SRIII
what a great but odd product then. They come out with a truly unique and groundbreaking design with no body to pair it with for its intended use with the current standards.
I am still happy that this design is possible and hope more will come. I dreamed of a 200-400 2.8 with TC and 300-600 TC to be possible one day but I did not expect a product to arrive, albeit without TC, so quickly.
Feb 25, 2025 at 09:05 AM
p.3 #17New release Sigma 300-600mm f/4 Full frame
Justin Stone wrote:
Like others have said. 300 2.8 seems better overall for lighter weight and still providing the option for 600 5.6 with the 2x. Let’s see what the testers can do with the lens to see if it really shines at 600 f4. If it does, I could see it being really nice on monopod for field sports or motorsports.
Yes, but it still lacks the flexibility of a zoom that I find very useful in the field and that's why I'm still on the fence about replacing my 2-6 with the 300/TC despite the lighter weight and 1/3 stop more light at 600mm. And, no, a TC is not the same as a zoom because it requires time to add/remove from the lens, which is not ideal especially in harsh conditions. This Sigma option is cheaper than the 300+TC but has its own compromises (weight, fps), which IMO just highlights how good the 2-6 really is for the money.
If Sony came out with something like a 300-600/5.6 GM for under $5K then it would be the best of all worlds -- a great compromise between range, speed and price, which means it'll probably never happen
Like others have said. 300 2.8 seems better overall for lighter weight and still providing the option for 600 5.6 with the 2x. Let’s see what the testers can do with the lens to see if it really shines at 600 f4. If it does, I could see it being really nice on monopod for field sports or motorsports.
Yes, but it still lacks the flexibility of a zoom that I find very useful in the field and that's why I'm still on the fence about replacing my 2-6 with the 300/TC despite the lighter weight and 1/3 stop more light at 600mm. And, no, a TC is not the same as a zoom because it requires time to add/remove from the lens, which is not ideal especially in harsh conditions. This Sigma option is cheaper than the 300+TC but has its own compromises (weight, fps), which IMO just highlights how good the 2-6 really is for the money.
If Sony came out with something like a 300-600/5.6 GM for under $5K then it would be the best of all worlds -- a great compromise between range, speed and price, which means it'll probably never happen
Feb 25, 2025 at 10:41 AM
p.3 #18New release Sigma 300-600mm f/4 Full frame
Since they are pretty much only making it for the E mount at this stage, why can't they do it right and make the zoom turn the Sony/Nikon way instead of still sticking to the Canon/Sigma direction.
Feb 25, 2025 at 11:27 AM
p.3 #19New release Sigma 300-600mm f/4 Full frame
wordfool wrote:
Yes, but it still lacks the flexibility of a zoom that I find very useful in the field and that's why I'm still on the fence about replacing my 2-6 with the 300/TC despite the lighter weight and 1/3 stop more light at 600mm. And, no, a TC is not the same as a zoom because it requires time to add/remove from the lens, which is not ideal especially in harsh conditions. This Sigma option is cheaper than the 300+TC but has its own compromises (weight, fps), which IMO just highlights how good the 2-6 really is for the money....Show more →
Yeah, it seems like Sony is really boxing and overlooking wildlife photogs. Nikon is def the system to be in of late as far as midrange midpriced midweight lenses go.
Justin Stone wrote
Like others have said. 300 2.8 seems better overall for lighter weight and still providing the option for 600 5.6 with the 2x. Let’s see what the testers can do with the lens to see if it really shines at 600 f4. If it does, I could see it being really nice on monopod for field sports or motorsports.Yeah, it seems like Sony is really boxing and overlooking wildlife photogs. Nikon is def the system to be in of late as far as midrange midpriced midweight lenses go.
Feb 25, 2025 at 01:04 PM
p.3 #20New release Sigma 300-600mm f/4 Full frame
tctmp wrote:
Since they are pretty much only making it for the E mount at this stage, why can't they do it right and make the zoom turn the Sony/Nikon way instead of still sticking to the Canon/Sigma direction.
L mount. Leica, Sigma, Panasonic.
For a Leica shooter the 300-600 will cost just a bit more than three lens hoods.
Sigma, I would not think too many sales but they announced the BF body at the same time as the 300-600.
Maybe they will introduce another body or bodies later.
Panasonic have the new S1 RII. Full frame 44mp, 40 fps.
Not that the S1 R couldn't make use of the 300-600.
There is no way they are "pretty much making it only for E mount".
Since they are pretty much only making it for the E mount at this stage, why can't they do it right and make the zoom turn the Sony/Nikon way instead of still sticking to the Canon/Sigma direction.
L mount. Leica, Sigma, Panasonic.
For a Leica shooter the 300-600 will cost just a bit more than three lens hoods.
Sigma, I would not think too many sales but they announced the BF body at the same time as the 300-600.
Maybe they will introduce another body or bodies later.
Panasonic have the new S1 RII. Full frame 44mp, 40 fps.
Not that the S1 R couldn't make use of the 300-600.
There is no way they are "pretty much making it only for E mount".
Feb 25, 2025 at 02:34 PM