p.3 #2 · New release Sigma 300-600mm f/4 Full frame
One thing I enjoy about photographing cats is that you can do it with any focal length, which turns out to be really affordable. Birds are neat too though.
I do love and very much appreciate the excellent pristine aesthetics of Sigma's impressive new 300-600mm lens.
p.3 #5 · New release Sigma 300-600mm f/4 Full frame
robert_in_ca wrote:
It's not Sigma but rather it's Sony that has set the 15fps limit on third party glass.
Yes I know that (for the 1000th time lol), it is, however, a deal between sigma and sony. If sigma really wanted to push this lens out to professional sports and wildlife photographers, it would seem logical that sigma will make a deal with Sony to resolve this limit on a high end lens like this.
Maybe Sony will budget so that the a1/a9 series will sell better ( I hope).
p.3 #6 · New release Sigma 300-600mm f/4 Full frame
Sigma, for the 1000th time: "Sony, please please please please please with sugar on top"
Sony: "No"
It takes two to make a deal. Of course Sigma really wants it.
Panasonic won't mind.
ASC_1900 wrote:
Yes I know that (for the 1000th time lol), it is, however, a deal between sigma and sony. If sigma really wanted to push this lens out to professional sports and wildlife photographers, it would seem logical that sigma will make a deal with Sony to resolve this limit on a high end lens like this.
Maybe Sony will budget so that the a1/a9 series will sell better ( I hope).
p.3 #7 · New release Sigma 300-600mm f/4 Full frame
ASC_1900 wrote:
Yes I know that (for the 1000th time lol), it is, however, a deal between sigma and sony. If sigma really wanted to push this lens out to professional sports and wildlife photographers, it would seem logical that sigma will make a deal with Sony to resolve this limit on a high end lens like this.
Maybe Sony will budget so that the a1/a9 series will sell better ( I hope).
Sorry what I was meaning to say is Sony will not do it no matter what deal Sigma tries or wants to make with them.
p.3 #8 · New release Sigma 300-600mm f/4 Full frame
Choderboy wrote:
Sigma, for the 1000th time: "Sony, please please please please please with sugar on top"
Sony: "No"
It takes two to make a deal. Of course Sigma really wants it.
Panasonic won't mind.
It's not that simple is it? In order to make a deal, of course one would reasonably imagine sony will want to charge a royalty. It could be up to Sigma to decide. It could be up to sigma to decide is it worth it to sacrifice x% on each lens for y amount more lenses sold. And it could be up to Sony to decide that if I charge royalties, is that a good deal or not? Maybe Sony will sell more A1/A9 series cameras because of this.
It's not as simple as Sony just either remove or keep the limit.
p.3 #9 · New release Sigma 300-600mm f/4 Full frame
I imagine the 15fps limit is part of the E-mount licensing deal Sigma struck with Sony, and I can imagine why -- camera manufacturers probably make far more money from lenses than camera bodies, and Sony ain't about to give up a chunk of its telephone lens sales to Sigma if it doesn't have to. I suspect Sony would rather the likes of AP and other professional buyers shell out $12K for the 600/4 or 400/2.8 to shoot sports at 30fps, for example, than hand that business to Sigma.
Maybe one day they'll revisit the licensing deal and Sigma will be willing to pay a bit more to throw off the shackles, but for now I guess the business argument is not yet there.
p.3 #10 · New release Sigma 300-600mm f/4 Full frame
Like others have said. 300 2.8 seems better overall for lighter weight and still providing the option for 600 5.6 with the 2x. Let’s see what the testers can do with the lens to see if it really shines at 600 f4. If it does, I could see it being really nice on monopod for field sports or motorsports.
p.3 #12 · New release Sigma 300-600mm f/4 Full frame
Choderboy wrote:
Sigma, for the 1000th time: "Sony, please please please please please with sugar on top"
Sony: "No"
It takes two to make a deal. Of course Sigma really wants it.
Panasonic won't mind.
ASC_1900 wrote:
It's not that simple is it? In order to make a deal, of course one would reasonably imagine sony will want to charge a royalty. It could be up to Sigma to decide. It could be up to sigma to decide is it worth it to sacrifice x% on each lens for y amount more lenses sold. And it could be up to Sony to decide that if I charge royalties, is that a good deal or not? Maybe Sony will sell more A1/A9 series cameras because of this.
It's not as simple as Sony just either remove or keep the limit....Show more →
Obviously, we don't know.
It might be that simple.
It could be far more complex.
Sony may want some financial incentive.
They may have decided no and won't budge on that, ie Sigma (and Tamron) might not have been offered any deal at all.
p.3 #13 · New release Sigma 300-600mm f/4 Full frame
A good case can be made to buy these Sigma lenses if Panasonic starts to perform like Sony cameras. Sigma will convert their lenses from E to L for $50.
p.3 #14 · New release Sigma 300-600mm f/4 Full frame
mogul wrote:
A good case can be made to buy these Sigma lenses if Panasonic starts to perform like Sony cameras. Sigma will convert their lenses from E to L for $50.
Just watched the PP review of the S1RII. Non-stacked sensor with significant rolling shutter make that camera at best a 9FPS camera to use for any type of fast motion. Even to get that you give up AF-C tracking but do get AF-C with subject detection.
The S1RII could have put pressure on the others if it had a stacked sensor. Maybe in another 6 years it will in the SRIII
p.3 #15 · New release Sigma 300-600mm f/4 Full frame
arbitrage wrote:
Just watched the PP review of the S1RII. Non-stacked sensor with significant rolling shutter make that camera at best a 9FPS camera to use for any type of fast motion. Even to get that you give up AF-C tracking but do get AF-C with subject detection.
The S1RII could have put pressure on the others if it had a stacked sensor. Maybe in another 6 years it will in the SRIII
Agree, just watched the same review. If you want to shoot action with the new Sigma lens, one will have to use it on a Sony body, with 15 fps and the associated increased lens weight (relative to Sony options). Panasonic is not going to help, unfortunately.
p.3 #16 · New release Sigma 300-600mm f/4 Full frame
galenapass wrote:
Agree, just watched the same review. If you want to shoot action with the new Sigma lens, one will have to use it on a Sony body, with 15 fps and the associated increased lens weight (relative to Sony options). Panasonic is not going to help, unfortunately.
what a great but odd product then. They come out with a truly unique and groundbreaking design with no body to pair it with for its intended use with the current standards.
I am still happy that this design is possible and hope more will come. I dreamed of a 200-400 2.8 with TC and 300-600 TC to be possible one day but I did not expect a product to arrive, albeit without TC, so quickly.
p.3 #17 · New release Sigma 300-600mm f/4 Full frame
Justin Stone wrote:
Like others have said. 300 2.8 seems better overall for lighter weight and still providing the option for 600 5.6 with the 2x. Let’s see what the testers can do with the lens to see if it really shines at 600 f4. If it does, I could see it being really nice on monopod for field sports or motorsports.
Yes, but it still lacks the flexibility of a zoom that I find very useful in the field and that's why I'm still on the fence about replacing my 2-6 with the 300/TC despite the lighter weight and 1/3 stop more light at 600mm. And, no, a TC is not the same as a zoom because it requires time to add/remove from the lens, which is not ideal especially in harsh conditions. This Sigma option is cheaper than the 300+TC but has its own compromises (weight, fps), which IMO just highlights how good the 2-6 really is for the money.
If Sony came out with something like a 300-600/5.6 GM for under $5K then it would be the best of all worlds -- a great compromise between range, speed and price, which means it'll probably never happen
p.3 #18 · New release Sigma 300-600mm f/4 Full frame
Since they are pretty much only making it for the E mount at this stage, why can't they do it right and make the zoom turn the Sony/Nikon way instead of still sticking to the Canon/Sigma direction.
p.3 #19 · New release Sigma 300-600mm f/4 Full frame
wordfool wrote:
Yes, but it still lacks the flexibility of a zoom that I find very useful in the field and that's why I'm still on the fence about replacing my 2-6 with the 300/TC despite the lighter weight and 1/3 stop more light at 600mm. And, no, a TC is not the same as a zoom because it requires time to add/remove from the lens, which is not ideal especially in harsh conditions. This Sigma option is cheaper than the 300+TC but has its own compromises (weight, fps), which IMO just highlights how good the 2-6 really is for the money.
If Sony came out with something like a 300-600/5.6 GM for under $5K then it would be the best of all worlds -- a great compromise between range, speed and price, which means it'll probably never happen ...Show more →
Yeah, it seems like Sony is really boxing and overlooking wildlife photogs. Nikon is def the system to be in of late as far as midrange midpriced midweight lenses go.
p.3 #20 · New release Sigma 300-600mm f/4 Full frame
tctmp wrote:
Since they are pretty much only making it for the E mount at this stage, why can't they do it right and make the zoom turn the Sony/Nikon way instead of still sticking to the Canon/Sigma direction.
L mount. Leica, Sigma, Panasonic.
For a Leica shooter the 300-600 will cost just a bit more than three lens hoods.
Sigma, I would not think too many sales but they announced the BF body at the same time as the 300-600.
Maybe they will introduce another body or bodies later.
Panasonic have the new S1 RII. Full frame 44mp, 40 fps.
Not that the S1 R couldn't make use of the 300-600.
There is no way they are "pretty much making it only for E mount".
