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p.6 #1 · Hasselblad vs Leica image quality (IQ)


1bwana1 wrote:
If what you want is accurate color then process and lighting probably matters more than camera.


When capturing natural lighting (i.e. sky colors), the accuracy of what is being captured is nice to have. For my sky work, I prefer the Hassy, as the nuance in transition can be challenging to retain when pushing things if they start off askew and need to be pushed. The skew gets magnified / artifacts when pushing more readily than if it starts off accurate to the capture transitions.


Bear in mind, that it is a different matter when desiring to capture the natural color of light vs. desiring to capture the color of an object illuminated by a colored (non-neutral) light (although, technically the atmosphere / clouds are things reflecting / refracting light).



Jan 17, 2026 at 08:24 PM
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To the points of consistency SOOC HB offers and MF being bulky and weighty, is there a FF option that gets close? M11? SL3? Q3? A7RV?


Not that I have seen. HB’s palette has changed subtly over the years. A H6 doesn’t perfectly match a X2Dii. There are hardware differences. The X1D doesn’t have identical colours to the X2D. But the differences are subtle and there’s a definite *look* to how HB deals with colour.

I haven’t seen that in a small format manufacturer. All of them seem to change model to model, year to year. In Leica nothing really matches. The Sl3 doesn’t have the same colour look as the SL3-S even. Sony is even worse. Or better as their colours have improved a lot since the A7.

Even within Leica we have some massive differences. The M8/M9 was deliberately biased toward a Kodachrome pallette. I shot only M9’s for several years for work and play and never really loved the colours (the files I adored for other reasons). But I was never a Kodachrome fan either. So the M(240) was a massive improvement for me. Likewise I prefer the M11 colours to the M10R. I know others disagree. That’s fine.

Canon, I suppose are somewhat consistent. Rich, saturated colour with a small lean to yellow. I haven’t enough experience with Nikon to say anything.

But in my experience I haven’t seen anything like Hasselblads consistency with out of the box colours except Phase One.

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Jan 17, 2026 at 08:33 PM
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To points made earlier, HB SOOC raws are very consistent and require minimal tweaking to finalize, for the use case of mine. Again, not that Leica raws needed more, but there’s ample discussion earlier about HB colors preferable, again subjectively, than Leica’s. And if the Leica set ends up weighting the same as HB, will take the HB.

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Jan 17, 2026 at 08:36 PM
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RAG_landscapes wrote:
To the points of consistency SOOC HB offers and MF being bulky and weighty, is there a FF option that gets close? M11? SL3? Q3? A7RV?



Looking back through the data set from OG ... the M10R (happens to be in my bag) seems fairly tight compared to some others. The other brands of course are absent from the dataset. Given they start with a similar Sony sensor (except Canon, iirc), the BFA diff's and the omission of Hassy's calibration approach, they should likely have similar variability.

As to the Canon ... I do (ancient history) seem to recall them leaning toward skin tones (Gordon's point about yellow). BUT, if Canon has end-to-end control over their sensors > BFA > algorithm, the degree of consistency may still be high (even if skewed warm). This is only speculation from old info and some of my discussion with Chuck Westfall years before his passing. I have no idea where Canon really is these days.



Jan 17, 2026 at 08:40 PM
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RAG_landscapes wrote:
To points made earlier, HB SOOC raws are very consistent and require minimal tweaking to finalize, for the use case of one. Again, not that Leica raws needed more, but there’s ample discussion earlier about HB colors preferable, again subjectively, than Leica’s. And if the Leica set ends up weighting the same as HB, will take the HB.


The physical size / weight of SL vs. XCD ... it's an easy thought to go with the Hassy vs. the SL.

In some regard, the Hassy is smaller / weighs less / costs less / gives more. Seems like an easy decision for some.

That said, the SL fits my hand better than my X2D does. My X1D was better for me than the X2D in that regard. Also, the X1D was lighter in the hand, on the wallet, and on the file size. Only 50MP vs. 100MP, and no IBIS, no tilt display.

Other diff's are the CF Card vs. SD Card. I have to tether to transfer my X2D files to my Mac. SD card slot built in to my Mac makes my SL use convenient in certain regard (vs. toting the CF reader).

But, for me ... here's the real consideration for the SL vs. the Hassy (non-IQ issue). I can use my M lenses on the SL with its focal plane shutter and not suffer any rolling shutter effects. Adapting my M lenses on the Hassy with its leaf shutter means I'm stuck using e-shutter. 16 bit files are at 1/3s and 14 bit files are at 1/6s for rolling shutter. On the tripod, not a biggie. Hand held, significant caution is required.

So, if you're going Hassy ... likely be prepared to invest in Hassy glass broadly. And, as it pertains to my long glass (500/5.6 or future 70-200/2.8 or 200/2.0), Hassy has no option, so I'm keen to the SL there, also. And, the SL has the benefit of the L alliance ... with some Panny / Siggy offerings that are nice, too. Some of which offer that "reduced size" that tips the scales back from Hassy body + lens to SL body + lens for size / weight.


So, on paper with just a limited view of a couple lenses (if that satisfies your needs) it can lean toward "might as well get the Hassy", instead of the SL. But, while I'm quite high on Hassy for a variety of reasons, it isn't without considerations.

I've said many times that if I could have ONLY ONE ... it would be the SL3. Granted, that means I forego the exacting color calibrations of the Hassy. I'd miss it, but I'd survive. Flipping to the Hassy only, I'd give up my long glass and my smaller M glass (for hand-held).

So, while the topic of the thread IS about IQ ... yeah, such decisions do involve things other than IQ alone.




Jan 17, 2026 at 08:58 PM
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Absolutely right about needing more glass with HB. Have the 20-35/21/28/45/35-100/75/135 for coverage and weight a ton even if not taking all. A equivalent SL3 with APO21+a couple of other primes won’t lighten that much; and the 24-90 weighs more than the 35-100. Changed out the SL3 to SL2 with APO21+28-75 zoom. Putting hopes in the M EV1 with M lenses as EDC.


Jan 17, 2026 at 09:34 PM
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I think that Pantone is considered the authority on color by most. A few years ago Pantone did a study to determine which cameras produced the most accurate colors. Many would be surprised that a camera company that so many complain about colors, Sony performed near the top overall besting cameras often praised for ther colors. Most people confuse their preferences with accuracy. Usually they are very different. Hubris plays a big role in this subject.


Jan 17, 2026 at 09:37 PM
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RAG_landscapes wrote:


Putting hopes in the M EV1 with M lenses as EDC.


You might take a look at SL3 vs. M EV1 (SD + SSD) ... granted the SL3 is larger, but it does come with IBIS and Tilt Display and built in grip with SD / CF Card option (body design) for that added size (keeps your wallet larger than the M EV1, too). The X2D also comes with IBIS / Tilt Display / Grip and CF Card / SSD. No Free Lunch kinda thing, I reckon.

I've got my M10R and SL2-S (SL3 is lighter / smaller) along with my X2D. SL body + M lens ... kinda Goldilocks territory in some regard. Won't be the smallest, won't be the largest ... will be the most versatile (imo).



Jan 17, 2026 at 10:33 PM
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Other diff's are the CF Card vs. SD Card. I have to tether to transfer my X2D files to my Mac. SD card slot built in to my Mac makes my SL use convenient in certain regard (vs. toting the CF reader).

Don't you use the internal memory? I only use the internal memory. No more cards involved



Jan 17, 2026 at 11:01 PM
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Don't you use the internal memory? I only use the internal memory. No more cards involved


Yes, I use internal memory on my X2D ... have to tether into the Mac, boot the Hassy, import into LR.

I do have a question though ... normally when I'm culling in LR, I can delete files from the card. I haven't figured out how to delete files off the X2D internal memory while culling. Could use a clue on that one ... thx.



Jan 17, 2026 at 11:06 PM
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Yes, I use internal memory on my X2D ... have to tether into the Mac, boot the Hassy, import into LR.

I do have a question though ... normally when I'm culling in LR, I can delete files from the card. I haven't figured out how to delete files off the X2D internal memory while culling. Could use a clue on that one ... thx.


I don't use LR. I just copy my files to external HDs and then re-format the internal memory.

Still not sure why connecting your camera to the Mac is more complicated than getting your memory card out and putting it in the Mac (or in an external card reader) but that's OK...



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I don't use LR. I just copy my files to external HDs and then re-format the internal memory.

Still not sure why connecting your camera to the Mac is more complicated than getting your memory card out and putting it in the Mac (or in an external card reader) but that's OK...


I like to leave my camera in the bag, just pop the card out. That, and I work off my lap (no desk). Balancing / tethering is less convenient than a card. Yeah, I know ...






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RustyBug wrote:
So, while the topic of the thread IS about IQ ... yeah, such decisions do involve things other than IQ alone.



Agreed and I’d likely add that, for me at least, IQ is relatively low down the list of considerations when using the cameras. Handling, menus, lens selections, ergonomics etc are all more important. There are workaround for IQ and modern software has made small format cameras so good that anything better is for the last 3%.

Choosing a single system would be torture for me. Sensibly, it’s Sony. I dislike the cameras for general shooting but they’re so good and I adore the 28-70 and 50-150. Plus I am on a wildlife binge at the moment. For that I love them. But they’re as much a specialty brand to me as Hasselblad is. Likely I’d choose the SL3 as well. I can do all my main lenses except the f2 zooms and the SL APO’s are better if not as convenient. I could shoot 95% of everything I do on my X2D/X2D2 but I’d miss that 5% horribly.

It’s a great time to be a photographer.

Gordon



Jan 18, 2026 at 03:51 PM
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Agreed and I’d likely add that, for me at least, IQ is relatively low down the list of considerations when using the cameras. Handling, menus, lens selections, ergonomics etc are all more important.

Adding a few more general considerations. How committed is the company to the product line in question? Do they operate at a fast pace and are they innovative, or do they just keep the product line going without much investment and innovation? Do they listen to their customers?



Jan 18, 2026 at 07:16 PM
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Adding a few more general considerations. How committed is the company to the product line in question? Do they operate at a fast pace and are they innovative, or do they just keep the product line going without much investment and innovation? Do they listen to their customers?


Interesting point to consider. Do you have an example of a company/product that excels at this and one that doesn't?



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Interesting point to consider. Do you have an example of a company/product that excels at this and one that doesn't?


Yes, I do and it is one and the same company. Leica is very committed to the M and the Q, keeps the SL going and in recent years discontinued the APS-C (CL and TL2) and S product lines after keeping them on life support (with minimal investment and R&D) for about 5-10 years.



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Yes, I do and it is one and the same company. Leica is very committed to the M and the Q, keeps the SL going and in recent years discontinued the APS-C (CL and TL2) and S product lines after keeping them on life support (with minimal investment and R&D) for about 5-10 years.



So, more about product line than it is about company. Almost every company abandoned and replaced its entire product lines in recent years as they switched to mirrorless. This included changing lens mounts so even lenses were abandoned. This despite protestations from the companies that they wouldn't do that. How does one chose a company that has its user base in mind instead of quarterly sales?

It seems to me that Leica's commitment to M is the strongest and longest lived in the industry. This includes continuing to manufacture M film cameras. In Leica's AF lines they seem about even with industry trends. But lag badly in terms of innovation. It looks to me that Leica is also very committed to the L mount. Interestingly the L mount is the only AF mount out there with multiple companies manufacturers making both lenses and bodies.

Sony seems to lead by a huge margin in innovation. Sony also seems to have kept its camera lines and lens mount in place longer that the others. But probably because it was the protagonist in the mirrorless movement. The Sony E mount is probably the most broadly supported mount in the industry.

So, by your criteria the prefered choices are Leica and Sony?



Jan 18, 2026 at 09:03 PM
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1bwana1 wrote:
It seems to me that Leica's commitment to M is the strongest and longest lived in the industry. This includes continuing to manufacture M film cameras. In Leica's AF lines they seem about even with industry trends. But lag badly in terms of innovation. It looks to me that Leica is also very committed to the L mount. Interestingly the L mount is the only AF mount out there with multiple companies manufacturers making both lenses and bodies.

I agree with you on Leica's commitment to the M. I am very unsure about its commitment to the L-mount. The pace is very slow, with little innovation and the fact that there have not been any new Leica lens designs announced since 2018 is concerning. Personally right now I am very happy with Hasselblad and its progress. I do feel they are 100% committed and they do seem to listen to their customers and make improvements in the right areas.



Jan 18, 2026 at 09:44 PM
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I agree with you on Leica's commitment to the M. I am very unsure about its commitment to the L-mount. The pace is very slow, with little innovation and the fact that there have not been any new Leica lens designs announced since 2018 is concerning. Personally right now I am very happy with Hasselblad and its progress. I do feel they are 100% committed and they do seem to listen to their customers and make improvements in the right areas.


Commitment and pace are two different things. I think Leica is very committed to the L mount. The fact that they aren't showing a rapid pace of innovation in L mount glass ... two things come to mind.

1) Leica has a long history of making glass that stands the test of time, with long periods between updates / innovations to it, because they landed it where they wanted it. So, it kinda rolls with their ethos, no real surprise for me about the pace.

2) They have Sigma and Panny to keep crankin' out innovative lenses for them in the L mount. Panny 24-60/2.8 comes to mind as being innovative. Sigma 65/2 comes to mind. Sigma 200/2 and 500/5.6, etc. are coming out at a pace that while it isn't coming directly from Leica ... I think they realized LONG AGO, that LEICA would NOT be the ones to drive the pace of new glass for the L mount, so they needed partners to help on that end of things.

The L Alliance seems to be working way better today than I first thought it would. Commitment is there, imo. Pace is shared across the Alliance (again, imo).

For me, the SL body represents the demise of the S series, by merging S series level optics to a FF L mount. In that regard, the size of the SL (Leica brand) optics is their commitment to deliver MF format glass level optics onto a FF format. That size is the price you pay to get that performance. Need / want something different / smaller ... adapt an M, or grab something from Siggy / Panny.

Yeah, I think they thought it through pretty well.




Jan 18, 2026 at 10:35 PM
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Commitment and pace are two different things. I think Leica is very committed to the L mount. The fact that they aren't showing a rapid pace of innovation in L mount glass ... two things come to mind.

1) Leica has a long history of making glass that stands the test of time, with long periods between updates / innovations to it, because they landed it where they wanted it. So, it kinda rolls with their ethos, no real surprise for me about the pace.

2) They have Sigma and Panny to keep crankin' out innovative lenses for them in the
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You might be very right. But what happened with the APS-C L-mount then? They didn't think that part through...?

About the S-glass, fwiw, it is imo very different from the SL-glass, more cinematic, smoother, less clinical.



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