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p.1 #1 · Sony 70-200 GM II vs I ?


I am going to purchase an A7Rv for landscapes (primarily), with the purpose of producing very large gallery prints. I am considering a 70-200 lens. Given the overall cost (including several primes) I am being cautious with my 70-200 selection. Would the version one give tack sharp results edge to edge when stopped down for landscape images on a tripod? If I do shoot wildlife, it is generally slow moving and has a more narrow depth of field so...
Thanks you in advance from those experience with the version one.
JP



Nov 24, 2024 at 10:40 AM
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p.1 #2 · Sony 70-200 GM II vs I ?


I didn’t really notice an issue with sharpness between the two lens but the weight difference is hugely noticeable. That may not be an issue for you if you aren’t hand holding it all day.


Nov 24, 2024 at 08:14 PM
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p.1 #3 · Sony 70-200 GM II vs I ?


jonpaul wrote:
... If I do shoot wildlife, it is generally slow moving and has a more narrow depth of field so...


Landscapes with wildlife? Otherwise, wildlife photography usually involves a longer lens.



Nov 24, 2024 at 09:36 PM
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p.1 #4 · Sony 70-200 GM II vs I ?


telyt wrote:
Landscapes with wildlife? Otherwise, wildlife photography usually involves a longer lens.


This reminded me. I never liked the results of using the 1.4TC with the Gen 1 70-200/2.8. However, used with the Gen 2 lens and the 1.4TC results are excellent, IMO. I don’t shoot test charts. I’m going by my eyeballs.



Nov 25, 2024 at 02:19 AM
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p.1 #5 · Sony 70-200 GM II vs I ?


You will find more experienced sources than me for sure, but I don't think the version one 70-200 GM is anywhere near as good as the version two in terms of sharpness, especially at 200mm. IMO the version one is a false economy even if it's cheaper - it's just plain worse, and there were other good (on balance, better) alternatives to it even before the Sony GMII came out.

Nowadays there are lots of options. If the GMII is too expensive, look at Sigma and Tamron - they both make lenses that are good value for money and unambiguously optically better than the GM1.

The GM1 was kind of an early, rough, first-draft lens. It was a GM from the very early days of the Sony E-mount system, before Sony had completely hit its stride and every new lens release had become a slam-dunk. It covered a gap in the lens lineup that pros demanded "had to" be filled, but it was never a great 70-200, just an okay one that filled the gap in the E-mount market until better options came along.

Apologies if I'm stating any of this too strongly... I defer to others' remarks as well... I just felt that someone ought to offer this context. Look at the Sigma 70-200 and the Tamron 70-180 (the G1 Tamron is already sharper than the GM1, I think?... but the G2 is very definitely sharper). The third-party options offer you different priorities in terms of portability and functionality, all at a better price than Sony lenses. Third-party lenses on Sony E-mount have a limit on the number of frames per second they can shoot (15fps, iirc)... but that limit is higher than the top framerate your A7RV can achieve (and the GM1's autofocus wasn't that amazing anyhow, to fully capitalise on higher framerates)... and, in any case, the framerate cap won't be relevant for your landscape shooting, while image quality may be, so the third-party lenses would be a better fit to you than the GM1.

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EDIT: Of course, the third-party lenses also don't let you use a teleconverter. There's more than one way to look at that: for one thing, your A7R5 is the camera that least of all needs/benefits from a teleconverter, in my opinion: cropping a high-resolution sensor can produce competitive net image quality to a teleconverter. Teleconverters squeeze a lens' optical qualities hard, as does tight cropping on high-resolution... at most, a 1.4x TC may make sense on your A7RV, while image quality may start to break down with such a demanding sensor if you use a 2X TC... so TCs have only a limited role IMO.

As yet another quirky alternative option, to save money and get good image quality... and especially if TCs are a priority to you... look into adapted DSLR lenses. I am not closely familiar with the Canon DSLR ecosystem, but there may be a good generation/version of 70-200 for EF mount -

...such as, after a quick search, the Canon EF 70-200mm F2.8L IS II... or maybe the Tamron SP 70-200 f/2.8 G2 VC... or the Sigma 70-200 2.8 DG OS HSM Sport (not "DN", that's the mirrorless mount version)... I am certain there'll be a sharper option than the Sony GM1, at the very least... at first glance it looks like a similar situation to on mirrorless, in fact... the image quality of all three is good, the Tamron is lighter but only "really" a 180mm when focus breathing is taken into account, while the others are the full, real '200'mm... anyway, I digress...

... and those adapt perfectly well to Sony for landscape use, and they take Sigma or Canon EF-mount teleconverters, both of whose last-generation 1.4x teleconverters for EF mount were good enough (I've used the Sigma TC with an adapted Canon lens happily on my Sony). And with everyone moving away from DSLR it'll all be affordably priced. I'm sure that an EF lens plus adapter won't be the smallest and lightest, but then, the GM1 wasn't the smallest and lightest lens either, so I don't think you'll actually be losing out much on portability.



Nov 25, 2024 at 04:09 AM
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p.1 #6 · Sony 70-200 GM II vs I ?


Having shot action sports for many years it's pretty easy to see when a lens is not performing as it should. Such was the case I ran into with the original Sony 70-200 GM. It was never tact sharp, always yielding slightly soft captures. You could work with them in PP to make better but that shouldn't be necessary. When the GM II came out I quickly moved to it. Significant improvement, without question sharper images SOOC and with the added bonus of being lighter.


Nov 25, 2024 at 07:03 AM
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p.1 #7 · Sony 70-200 GM II vs I ?


Thank you for the thoughtful responses everyone. Food for thought! Very helpful to hear from people who have used the equipment.
JP



Nov 25, 2024 at 09:31 AM
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p.1 #8 · Sony 70-200 GM II vs I ?


You may want to look at the 70/200 f4, great for landscapes, really sharp, and takes TC's well.


Nov 25, 2024 at 11:08 AM
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p.1 #9 · Sony 70-200 GM II vs I ?


mogul wrote:
You may want to look at the 70/200 f4, great for landscapes, really sharp, and takes TC's well.


I second that. If you don't need ƒ2.8, which you typically wouldn't for landscapes, the new 70-200mm ƒ4 mark II is brilliant.



Nov 25, 2024 at 11:16 AM
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p.1 #10 · Sony 70-200 GM II vs I ?


My limited experience with v1 suggested it was "sharp enough" but not quite the level of overall sharpness of v2, which I now own. To me, however, the most noticeable difference was the weight -- it went from boat anchor to uncannily light.

If you don't need the bells and whistles of a GM (including FPS) then Sigma and Tamron probably offer better value for money.



Nov 25, 2024 at 11:35 AM
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p.1 #11 · Sony 70-200 GM II vs I ?


Have you thought of the 70-180mm G2 the reviews I saw, said it was sharper than the Sony version I.

The sony 70-200mm F4 would be great too sounds like your shooting F8 anyway.

Don't pay for the 2.8 just for the 2.8 if your shooting landscapes.

Hope you find what is best for you.

Side the 135mm 1.8 is a great landscape lens stopped down.



Nov 27, 2024 at 03:01 PM





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