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p.1 #1 · My take on the Sony A1 II


I am system agnostic, and have used the R5 II, A1 and Z8 all extensively. I do mostly wildlife photography, including action (eg. flight, feeding, etc).

After I purchased the R5 II it became my goto camera, over both the A1 and Z8. Mainly because of i) raw pre-capture and ii) slightly better bird/animal AF than the A1, and perhaps a little more than slightly better than the Z8. That said, I still reach for the Z8 when I know that a TC lens would come in handy (which is very often !).

Now that the A1 II is announced, it looks to me it will be tough to choose between it and the R5 II. For my style of photography, here are the pros/cons I've noticed on paper so far:

Pros for the A1 II
- zebras (highlight warnings) when shooting
- two card slots that are the same
- single button press to toggle precapture (why Canon excluded this is a mystery)
- I prefer its style of fully articulated display (vs the swivel design of the R5 II)
- reported to have a larger buffer, with only a rate slow-down when full (vs a short period of no shots with the R5 II)
- slightly more resolution

Pros for the R5 II
- full 14-bit raw at 30 fps (whereas the A1 is reported to (and presumably also the A1 II) drop down to 13-bit at 30 fps)
- 8K/60 (vs 8K/30 in the A1 II)
- pre-record for video
- excellent dynamic image stabilization in video including 120 fps (whereas the new 'dynamic active' stabilization in the A1 II reportedly is not supported at 8K or 120 fps).

(Re. the R5 II dynamic stabilization - I'm really impressed with it. This was shot from a kayak with a large lens hand held out over the gunwal https://www.instagram.com/p/DB8_9YzpACk/ )

Overall, I am underwhelmed with the A1 II announcement. When the original A1 came out, it broke through boundaries. IMHO, the A1 II barely catches up to the competetion - at least on paper.

That said, when the camera is available, I will borrow one, and see if in practice there are other advantages in the field. For example, I am curious to see if the new AI subject detect will significantly leap frog the R5 II, or maybe just catch up.



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Nov 20, 2024 at 08:52 AM
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p.1 #2 · My take on the Sony A1 II


I agree the R5II is a huge value and very close to the A1II in features. If Canon had lenses I wanted I would strongly consider going back to them.

I think the biggest thing I'd miss from Sony are the zebras in stills.

I'm holding out some hope that the Z9II/Z8II will take a massive leap in control ergonomics, customization and AF as they obviously have the best lenses for bird photography and if the cameras satisfied me I would maybe switch for the lenses. But having purchased the Z9 twice and subsequently selling it within 2 weeks both times and having borrowed the Z8 and not bothering to purchase one after I know I need to wait for a Mark II to consider Nikon again. They were top with DSLRs but 3rd place for FF MILCs IMO.



Nov 20, 2024 at 09:20 AM
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Other than the better bird recognition, and I imagine that this would be in some situations not all, what is it about the R5II that would be worth switching systems for? It is better for video but it's feature set is not "better" than the A1II on paper other than value.


Nov 20, 2024 at 09:27 AM
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Dultimate wrote:
Other than the better bird recognition, and I imagine that this would be in some situations not all, what is it about the R5II that would be worth switching systems for? It is better for video but it's feature set is not "better" than the A1II on paper other than value.


Mostly value for me.
The bird recognition is much better.
If I did video, I'd do it all handheld, and the R5II has really stable hand held video.
Cheaper type B cards.

Still the A1II is a better camera for most things and there are a lot of things I'd probably not want to give up. But the value proposition is strong.



Nov 20, 2024 at 09:32 AM
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p.1 #5 · My take on the Sony A1 II


If you end up seriously considering the Canon, you should download some log footage and have a look. It is not impressive.
For stills it’s solid though.



Nov 20, 2024 at 09:42 AM
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R5II is a non-starter for me after getting burned by a memory card failing.


Nov 20, 2024 at 10:02 AM
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The fact that the Canon R5 II is $2,200 cheaper than the a1 II is pretty amazing actually. I'm different than many photographers here in that I don't shoot wildlife or use long lenses, but still, the GM/G prime lenses are what keeps me with Sony. Canon's RF primes are bigger, more expensive, heavier and noisier AF motors.

Given how much old tech they put in the Sony a1 II I think Sony could have come down in price a bit. Or updated the rear LCD, make the EVF a bit brighter, etc. It is a flagship camera, there should be some ground-breaking stuff in there...



Nov 20, 2024 at 10:03 AM
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p.1 #8 · My take on the Sony A1 II


Yeah. There's definitely a lot of value in the R5II. Canon lenses just aren't the business though in terms of size, weight, selection and value.


Nov 20, 2024 at 10:08 AM
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I own the A7RV (that I will see ) and pre-ordered this morning the A1II. But this thread makes me wonder if I should check the R5II first.
One of the new features of the A1 II I'm excited about is the pre-capture. Can be configured to up to 1sec, at 30fps, RAW (compressed unfortunately, until 20fps). On the Canon it seems to be fixed to 1/2sec of pre-capture at 30fps uncompressed RAW (correct me if I'm wrong)
But the bigger issue with switching to Canon is the lens selection. I currently own the Sigma 24-70 DG DN II, Tamron 70-180 II, and Sony 200-600mm. These 3 lenses offer an incredible quality/price ratio. If the main advantage of the R5II is the value, I feel like it would be a wash when getting equivalent lenses. I'm not too familiar with the Canon lens offering, and with Black Friday coming, I should maybe do a bit of research anyway.



Nov 20, 2024 at 10:28 AM
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What surprised me most when watching the YT reviews by Jan Wegener and Jared Polin was the fact that both noticed that the A1 II seems to struggle with initial focus acquisition at times. It was also unexpected that according to Jared Polin the A1 II overheated after 22 minutes of video recording. As he is in Pennsylvania, it's not very warm there right now.


Nov 20, 2024 at 10:37 AM
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Axel H wrote:
What surprised me most when watching the YT reviews by Jan Wegener and Jared Polin was the fact that both noticed that the A1 II seems to struggle with initial focus acquisition at times. It was also unexpected that according to Jared Polin the A1 II overheated after 22 minutes of video recording. As he is in Pennsylvania, it's not very warm there right now.


Yeah, I think the video said the studio was at 68F, which is certainly not warm. I guess that's one downside of the smaller A1 body.




Nov 20, 2024 at 10:48 AM
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Fboss wrote:
I own the A7RV (that I will see ) and pre-ordered this morning the A1II. But this thread makes me wonder if I should check the R5II first.
One of the new features of the A1 II I'm excited about is the pre-capture. Can be configured to up to 1sec, at 30fps, RAW (compressed unfortunately, until 20fps). On the Canon it seems to be fixed to 1/2sec of pre-capture at 30fps uncompressed RAW (correct me if I'm wrong)
But the bigger issue with switching to Canon is the lens selection. I currently own the Sigma 24-70 DG DN II, Tamron 70-180
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The Canon precapture continues to confuse people and has been misreported by many reviewers.
The confusion comes in that most reviewers tested the precapture at 30FPS and therefore they were getting 15 precapture frames which is 0.5s worth. They therefore reported that the R5II does 0.5s precapture.
But this is incorrect. What the R5II does is up to 15 frames at your selected FPS. If you select 15FPS you can get up to 15 precapture frames which is 1s of precapture (of course you have to hold down the half shutter for that 1s to maximize it). If you select 5FPS you can get 3s worth of precapture (again 15 frames if you hold for 3s).

On top of not having any control over the time of precapture (other than selecting different FPS and holding down longer) the R5II also doesn't allow precapture to be activated by an AF-ON button. Only 1/2 press of the shutter button can activate it. Sony can activate via either way or both. Also R5II has no way to assign a custom button to just toggle pre-capture on and off. Sony can.
In actual use I found most of that didn't really matter...I would always use precapture at 30FPS so would get 0.5s which is reasonable. I found with A9III that I liked 0.3s or 0.4s but 0.5s isn't too far off my ideal and may be the ideal for some with slightly slower reaction times. I also found that if one was a back button AF shooter that there was no reason to have to turn precapture off. If you didn't want it you just shot normally with AF-ON to focus and when you hit the shutter it hadn't been held down and therefore hadn't saved any precapture frames. If you wanted precapture you half-pressed the shutter at the same time as using AF-ON and you got your frames. Of course this trick doesn't work if you are a shutter AF shooter. Then you are always getting precapture frames when it is on and have to menu dive to the top item in My Menu to toggle precapture on/off or use a C1/2/3 mode to have precapture on in one mode and off in another.



Nov 20, 2024 at 10:57 AM
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Nice writeup.

For your concern about 13bits (lossy compressed)raw, have you done any comparison between lossy compressed raw and uncompressed raw or lossless compressed raw large from A1? I'm sure they will be noticably different for high contact landscape shoots, but I would like to know if it's visible in your wildlife shoots.

I owns a A7RV but I lack high quality wildlife shoots to do the comparison by myself.

matth4ever wrote:
I am system agnostic, and have used the R5 II, A1 and Z8 all extensively. I do mostly wildlife photography, including action (eg. flight, feeding, etc).

After I purchased the R5 II it became my goto camera, over both the A1 and Z8. Mainly because of i) raw pre-capture and ii) slightly better bird/animal AF than the A1, and perhaps a little more than slightly better than the Z8. That said, I still reach for the Z8 when I know that a TC lens would come in handy (which is very often !).

Now that the A1 II is announced, it looks
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Nov 20, 2024 at 11:00 AM
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p.1 #14 · My take on the Sony A1 II


I’m sorry, but if these cameras are really that close in capabilities, then the A1 II is an easy no, considering its price.


Nov 20, 2024 at 11:12 AM
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johnvanr wrote:
I’m sorry, but if these cameras are really that close in capabilities, then the A1 II is an easy no, considering its price.


Total cost is body + lenses. You can save a few $k in lenses with Sony, depending on what you need/want.



Nov 20, 2024 at 11:32 AM
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I don't think some are aware that with Canon you don't have access to the same range of third party lenses as you do with Sony which can save you a considerable sum.


Nov 20, 2024 at 11:38 AM
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johnvanr wrote:
I’m sorry, but if these cameras are really that close in capabilities, then the A1 II is an easy no, considering its price.


Yes if you already have a full or partial investment into Canon glass. No, if you are already fully invested into Sony glass.
I could sell my A1 and get almost enough to just buy a brand new R5II. But to switch all my big glass would lose me more $$ than just selling A1 and buying A1II. The net cost is around $2500USD right now...maybe will be more like $3K as A1 prices get driven down by higher used supply.



Nov 20, 2024 at 11:53 AM
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arbitrage wrote:
Yes if you already have a full or partial investment into Canon glass. No, if you are already fully invested into Sony glass.
I could sell my A1 and get almost enough to just buy a brand new R5II. But to switch all my big glass would lose me more $$ than just selling A1 and buying A1II. The net cost is around $2500USD right now...maybe will be more like $3K as A1 prices get driven down by higher used supply.


I priced out somewhere between 20-25k CAD for switching to Nikon (or Canon). This was based on some estimates of resale value of my glass. That is excluding the hassle of selling gear and learning a new system.



Nov 20, 2024 at 11:58 AM
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matth4ever wrote:
I am system agnostic, and have used the R5 II, A1 and Z8 all extensively. I do mostly wildlife photography, including action (eg. flight, feeding, etc).

After I purchased the R5 II it became my goto camera, over both the A1 and Z8. Mainly because of i) raw pre-capture and ii) slightly better bird/animal AF than the A1, and perhaps a little more than slightly better than the Z8. That said, I still reach for the Z8 when I know that a TC lens would come in handy (which is very often !).

Now that the A1 II is announced, it looks
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I think you left out a couple of things that make the Sony A1 II a bit more versatile camera. For example, the A1 II has a faster flash sync both in electronic shutter mode (1/200 vs. 1/160) and in mechanical shutter mode (1/400 vs. 1/250). If shooting flash is important to you that may matter. The faster flash sync in electronic shutter mode also hints that the A1 II probably has a faster sensor scan speed (i.e. sensor readout) than the Canon R5 II as well. It probably isn't a huge deal, but it is there. I would expect the Canon R5 II has a similar sensor scan speed to the Sony A9 and A9 II, whereas the A1 and A1 II is a bit faster. The A1 also has of course a tiny bit more resolution and a tiny bit more dynamic range. None of these advantages are big, but when you put together a better flash sync, faster sensor scan speed, a tiny bit more resolution, and a tiny bit more dynamic range, the small advantages start to pile up.

With its great silent shutter and high flash sync the Sony A1 II makes a great portrait and events camera.

With it high resolution sensor and high dynamic range sensor it makes a great landscape and nature camera.

With it very fast sensor scan speed, and very high fps and excellent AF it makes a great sports and wildlife camera.

With its great EVF and flippy LCD, and it high resolution sensor, and great silent shutter, it makes a great camera for still life and macro.

The R5 II is almost as good in all these categories but I still think the A1 II nudges it out in pretty much all of them. That said, I see no reason a Canon shooter should switch to Sony just because of the A1 II. They are that close and the Canon is cheaper. If someone is a Sony shooter, however, I think the $2,000 or so they would save with the Canon camera would easily be eaten up for almost everyone in switching glass (I assume if someone is shooting a flagship camera they are going to have a number of nice lenses, and if they don't then maybe they should rethink if they need such a camera). I do think the Canon is a better value, but I also think that for almost every Sony shooter changing systems would leave them worse off financially and with a camera that is close but not quite as good.



Nov 20, 2024 at 01:00 PM
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"I think the biggest thing I'd miss from Sony are the zebras in stills."

Absolutely agree ! I forgot about that- thanks ! I will add it to my post.




Nov 20, 2024 at 01:32 PM
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