p.2 #2 · How Do I Select The Best Light/Small 24mm/25mm Travel Lens
Frederik0711 wrote:
Great selection, indeed.
I used to own a bunch of manual focus primes as well, but I either ended up never using half of them, or ended up with some big zooms. I do occasionally miss the haptics and rendering (sunstars and tonality) of several Voigtländer and Zeiss lenses, like the Voigtländer 15mm f/4.5, 21mm f/1.4, 35mm, 35 and 65mm f/2 APO, 75mm f/1.5 and 110mm f/2.5 APO, and all of the Loxia lenses. The Zeiss Contax lenses, and most Zeiss lenses in general, are lovely, too. I still have the Contax 100-300, but I'm probably selling it. I'm quite done with zooms and heavy lenses.
For now, I'll try with my 4 primes, but I might eventually get a super-zoom, perhaps one of Tamron's 28-200/300, though they are a bit big for the a7C R. The 28-300 seems a bit disappointing when reading and watching all the reviews and videos, but if I do go tele, I want a bit more than 200mm, and with a lens as the 28-300, I can usually just bring that and the 17mm....Show more →
I usually take two primes when I shoot (one on the body, the other in a neoprene belt pouch for easy swapping).
I like to mix my selections up depending where I’m shooting, eg 21mm & 55mm, or 24mm & 75mm.
I usually use the 8mm & 15mm for panoramic tour and realestate shooting.
The 35mm f2.8 for one lens street shooting, and the 100mm for portrait shooting.
Nearly all of my lenses are compact/light and have use for different scenarios.
Enjoy your photography 😉
p.2 #4 · How Do I Select The Best Light/Small 24mm/25mm Travel Lens
bwcolor wrote:
Pre Covid I spent three weeks in France with an A9 and 24mm f/1.4GM. I was happy with the pairing. Since, I’ve sold most Sony gear. Now, I’m wanting to build a light weight Sony travel kit. Currently I own a new A7CR & 40mm G lens. The remaining old kit include Loxia 21,35 & 85mm.
I’m thinking of leaving the 35mm Loxia at home, but adding a 24/25mm. Looking at the MTF from both the 24mm G and the 25mm Loxia, it seems that the G bests Loxia centrally, but falls behind with regards to edge performance. How do I sort out which one to buy short of renting, or buying both? ...Show more →
If manual is your choice then you are mostly done.Having Loxia 21,35 & 85mm it is enough to buy remaining 50/2 and 25/2.4 Loxias.Then you can combine them according to your current needs.I have them all.I do like this.Loxia 25/2.4 is much better overall compared to G 24/2.8.24/2.8 would have been great if it were not only good enough in the corners,that sometimes is quite frustrating when you compare them with the center.Loxia is much more even in this respect,contrasty and has nicer (to my eyes) colour rendition - a typical modern Zeiss to say.
If autofocus is your choice,Sigma Contemporary primes may be the way to go.I have 17/4+24/3.5+35/2+45/2.8 (sometimes replaced by Sony G 50/2.5)+90/2.8.They are tiny (save 35/2 - just compact),solid,sharp,contrasty,have well corrected CA (and slightly less so distortions).All have manual aperture rings - a big plus for me.Also each has close up facility,so it gives additional tool for creativity apart from their regular job.
Focal range of 17-90mm or 21-85mm may be and is very often not enough to cover topics recquiring longer tele.Thus something decent and lightweight like Sony G 70-200/4 Mk2 or Sigma 100-400/4.5-6.3 could help in both cases.
All I'm saying is based on the real life experience with the lenses mentioned above,which I all got.
p.2 #6 · How Do I Select The Best Light/Small 24mm/25mm Travel Lens
RustyRus wrote:
I know you own a few Leicas- I would stop messing with all that and pickup a Q2 for cheap or grab the Q3-
IP52 weather sealing and a 26mm lens makes it ideal for travel. it really is the best there is IMO.
I tried really hard with the 24 1.4 and the A7c2. It just wasn't the same.
All but one of my Leicas are interchangeable sensor cameras from decades past. I agree that the Leica shooting experience with the Q cameras is better than with the compact Sony cameras. The Sony’s small cameras are more flexible, but their menus, excessive use of buttons/dials and sub-standard EVF/LCD really hinder the Sony shooting experience. Of course, when a Leica goes down you get to experience the joys of being without the camera for a very long time.. Each system has advantages.
p.2 #7 · How Do I Select The Best Light/Small 24mm/25mm Travel Lens
bwcolor wrote:
All but one of my Leicas are interchangeable sensor cameras from decades past. I agree that the Leica shooting experience with the Q cameras is better than with the compact Sony cameras. The Sony’s small cameras are more flexible, but their menus, excessive use of buttons/dials and sub-standard EVF/LCD really hinder the Sony shooting experience. Of course, when a Leica goes down you get to experience the joys of being without the camera for a very long time.. Each system has advantages.
Yep…and try shooting something wider than 28mm with your Q. One huge advantage of the Sony A7cr is the ability to put different lenses on it. That for me makes the A7cr a much better camera…not even taking price into account.
p.2 #8 · How Do I Select The Best Light/Small 24mm/25mm Travel Lens
chez wrote:
Yep…and try shooting something wider than 28mm with your Q. One huge advantage of the Sony A7cr is the ability to put different lenses on it. That for me makes the A7cr a much better camera…not even taking price into account.
Agreed, I was looking at the Q3 43 and put one on order. This had me looking at alternatives. I hadn’t been following Sony at that point and was pleased to find the A7CR. Leica makes some great cameras and gives their customers what they want. The same can be said of Sony.
p.2 #9 · How Do I Select The Best Light/Small 24mm/25mm Travel Lens
I'm surprised everyone is recommending the Sigma 24mm f/3.5 and (unless I missed a post!) nobody seems to mention the Sigma 24mm f/2, which is the better lens basically across the board for only another 140g.
p.2 #11 · How Do I Select The Best Light/Small 24mm/25mm Travel Lens
Lloyd probably tried hard too, but his challenge was with the 'the standout dilettante lens on the market today.'
'For images that look great without large magnification, the Q3 should satisfy. I was shocked when Leica failed to update the 28mm f/1.7 lens from the original Leica Q for the Leica Q2. What was barely adequate on the 24-megapixel Q with visibly poor outer-zone sharpness became obviously unsharp (large outer zone area) on the 45-megapixel Q2. The marketing hoopla is at your expense, if you’re expecting sharp images.
Rarely (never) has a camera been so misrepresented as to its potential capture detail. Along comes the Leica Q3 with a 60MP sensor, and the lens is now nothing short of pathetic given the demands of the sensor. That is, extreme barrel distortion with distortion correction (required) guarantees poor sharpness over at least half the frame.'
p.2 #12 · How Do I Select The Best Light/Small 24mm/25mm Travel Lens
The Loxia 25/2.4 rivals the Leica SL 28/2 APO at f5.6. And, as both companies produce valid MTF data we can assign a high level of credibility to each. Averaged over the sag/tan line pairs, the Loxia 25mm is a bit better in the far corners.
The Loxia 25mm does not require profile correction for distortion either, as it tracks a smooth and graceful barrel pattern to a maximum of just 1.4% - well under Zeiss's long-standing target of a max of 2%, and reducible to insignificance with a simple profile if needed. Because of Leica's distortion correction antics in the Q series, I tried to find what they did in the SL 28/2.
The Leica site praises sharpness 'without distorting the perspective too much', and Jono Slack says 'there is little or no distortion (although this is probably corrected in software).' Not overly reassuring, and the lack of actual data always arouses suspicion.
The Q series stretched 28mm falls far short of this thin oxygen league, obviously. And you get legendary T* coatings and Zeiss vividness in the Loxias. You can think of the 25mm as the wide angle version of the Loxia 85mm, quite similar MTF. I doubt the others from Sony/Sigma will perform in the tough conditions where CZ lenses thrive. They might satisfy sharpness first people, however, or test chartistry.
Sadly, we really needed more Loxias, at 100mm and 18mm at the very least, plus modern 35/50s. That pair were reworked from the ZM Biogon and Planar - a very different kettle of fish indeed, they were made small for the M cameras' deficiencies. We needed more than reheated Leica M-mount lenses dating from an eternity back: 2004.
To be fair, Zeiss was in a rush to support the new Sony a7 series in 2014, crimping the time they would need to produce all-new 35/50 Loxias to a modern standard. They were already starting to lose interest at the time of Sony's entrance into the brave new world of its own making. Such is life.
p.2 #13 · How Do I Select The Best Light/Small 24mm/25mm Travel Lens
philip_pj wrote:
Lloyd probably tried hard too, but his challenge was with the 'the standout dilettante lens on the market today.'
'For images that look great without large magnification, the Q3 should satisfy. I was shocked when Leica failed to update the 28mm f/1.7 lens from the original Leica Q for the Leica Q2. What was barely adequate on the 24-megapixel Q with visibly poor outer-zone sharpness became obviously unsharp (large outer zone area) on the 45-megapixel Q2. The marketing hoopla is at your expense, if you’re expecting sharp images.
Rarely (never) has a camera been so misrepresented as to its potential capture detail. Along comes the Leica Q3 with a 60MP sensor, and the lens is now nothing short of pathetic given the demands of the sensor. That is, extreme barrel distortion with distortion correction (required) guarantees poor sharpness over at least half the frame.' ...Show more →
p.2 #14 · How Do I Select The Best Light/Small 24mm/25mm Travel Lens
bwcolor wrote:
All but one of my Leicas are interchangeable sensor cameras from decades past. I agree that the Leica shooting experience with the Q cameras is better than with the compact Sony cameras. The Sony’s small cameras are more flexible, but their menus, excessive use of buttons/dials and sub-standard EVF/LCD really hinder the Sony shooting experience. Of course, when a Leica goes down you get to experience the joys of being without the camera for a very long time.. Each system has advantages.
Yea good luck man- I hope you find what you are looking for. We all have a unique look into what we want out of a camera. No doubt a Sony or a Leica can output similar results.
Where are you traveling? Not sure if you posted that? Enjoy it! The camera should be a part of the travel not the “focal point”.
p.2 #15 · How Do I Select The Best Light/Small 24mm/25mm Travel Lens
philip_pj wrote:
Lloyd probably tried hard too, but his challenge was with the 'the standout dilettante lens on the market today.'
'For images that look great without large magnification, the Q3 should satisfy. I was shocked when Leica failed to update the 28mm f/1.7 lens from the original Leica Q for the Leica Q2. What was barely adequate on the 24-megapixel Q with visibly poor outer-zone sharpness became obviously unsharp (large outer zone area) on the 45-megapixel Q2. The marketing hoopla is at your expense, if you’re expecting sharp images.
Rarely (never) has a camera been so misrepresented as to its potential capture detail. Along comes the Leica Q3 with a 60MP sensor, and the lens is now nothing short of pathetic given the demands of the sensor. That is, extreme barrel distortion with distortion correction (required) guarantees poor sharpness over at least half the frame.' ...Show more →
The Q2 is a wonderful travel camera. It looks good, feels good and shoots nicely. Who cares if the lens is digitally corrected?
That guy you quote is a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist that I trust as far as I could throw him.
The guy is a rabid Anti-vaxxer. And touts DMSO for some reason.
IIRC he contracted COVID and complained vociferously about having long term covid symptoms. Oopsie.
His rants can be amusing at times for a little while.
He may have been an expert re: Nikon but I don't really put any stock in anything he claims about Fuji for sure.
He pushes sliders to 100, thus creating artifacts and then proclaims the GFX100S "unusable for monochrome landscape use". I see that he even edited the original clickbait title of that piece to tone down the made up hysteria.
p.2 #16 · How Do I Select The Best Light/Small 24mm/25mm Travel Lens
“The guy is a rabid Anti-vaxxer”
I suffered a terrible adverse reaction to the AstraZeneca vaccine (a week after my second shot), I’m still suffering today. It has ruined a big part of my life, and I’m not able to claim any compensation for my injuries. So please don’t judge people as “conspiracy theorists” for suffering adverse reactions to COVID vaccines. There’s many of us who are still suffering.
p.2 #17 · How Do I Select The Best Light/Small 24mm/25mm Travel Lens
I use the Zeiss Batis 25 as my go too street and everyday lens as it is the nearest I can get in IQ etc to the Leica Q2 I used to use. It's a little large but is very light and weather sealed with fast AF and great rendering
p.2 #18 · How Do I Select The Best Light/Small 24mm/25mm Travel Lens
I also vote for the Batis 25mm .
It is not the sharpest ,has green ca wide open in highlights and it is a bit too big for f2.
But somehow I cant get it off my camera ,it is sharp enough and she sharpness is across the frame ,very vivid and contrasty and produce great photos and video with a "look" .
I still have the tamron ,my copy is very very sharp . It produce great images , but it is wider then normal 24mm so less convinient as a general do it all lens. also, the AF will hunt and miss in low light .
I bought the samyang 24mm 1.8 and returned it , nothing wrong with it -but I liked the tamron more.
p.2 #19 · How Do I Select The Best Light/Small 24mm/25mm Travel Lens
philip_pj wrote:
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Sadly, we really needed more Loxias, at 100mm and 18mm at the very least, plus modern 35/50s. That pair were reworked from the ZM Biogon and Planar - a very different kettle of fish indeed, they were made small for the M cameras' deficiencies. We needed more than reheated Leica M-mount lenses dating from an eternity back: 2004.
To be fair, Zeiss was in a rush to support the new Sony a7 series in 2014, crimping the time they would need to produce all-new 35/50 Loxias to a modern standard. They were already starting to lose interest at the time of Sony's entrance into the brave new world of its own making. Such is life....Show more →
Well, Voigtländer jumped into that void that Zeiss left and started the Apo Lanthar series (35-50-65-110). I wouldn‘t be surprised if there was some gentlemen agreement between Cosina and Zeiss concerning this (especially since both lenses are produced at the Cosina factory)
I agree we need a manual focus 18mm that isn‘t as bulky as the Batis.
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p.2 #20 · How Do I Select The Best Light/Small 24mm/25mm Travel Lens
jaybr wrote:
“The guy is a rabid Anti-vaxxer”
I suffered a terrible adverse reaction to the AstraZeneca vaccine (a week after my second shot), I’m still suffering today. It has ruined a big part of my life, and I’m not able to claim any compensation for my injuries. So please don’t judge people as “conspiracy theorists” for suffering adverse reactions to COVID vaccines. There’s many of us who are still suffering.
J
I am very sorry you got sick. That is terrible and I hope you gradually get better. I don't think any one should ever judge someone for getting sick.
At the same time we all should recognize that when one person gets sick there are times we don't know the cause of that sickness and with respect to the COVID vaccines there is very strong evidence that they saved hundreds of thousands of lives. There is also strong evidence that they made a small number of people sick. Adverse reactions do happen, and no one should be judged if they have such a reaction.
It is possible, however, to both acknowledge and have sympathy for those with adverse reactions and still be a strong proponent of vaccines. It is really not any different from most medical procedures. For example, all surgeries carry a risk of an adverse reaction to the anesthesia. We certainly shouldn't judge people who have such an adverse reaction if they get sick or even die. At the same time I believe it would be unwise to adopt a position of being "anti-surgery," because there are adverse reactions.
The difficulty in my view with many in the anti-vax movement is how they evaluate evidence. They hold to a position when the evidence clearly refutes it, and when confronted with that evidence some question it by posing a grand conspiracy with no evidence whatsoever for the conspiracy. So in evaluating someone's judgment, if they treat evidence in this way in one domain, one might reasonably wonder about their judgment in a different domain. No one should be judged for getting sick, but if people refuse to accept the overwhelming evidence about the benefits of vaccines and reject that evidence by accepting conspiracies for which there is no evidence whatsoever, then I think it is reasonable to question how they would treat other evidence about other matters.
