R5ii vs Sony/leica

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I have an a7rv w 24-70 70-200 35 gm. Leica q3, and a Leica sl2s with various lenses. Here’s my problem. I shoot portraits, video, music videos, reality tv, scenic, concerts, and my dogs . The a7rv is awesome, autofocus is on point. But the video sucks, it just does, it’s too clinical. The Leica sl2s is my creative camera, what I see in my head translates perfectly to the photos with this camera. But the autofocus for video sucks. I am the person who really needs the one camera that does it all. My adhd can’t handle two cameras when it comes to events and concerts. If I could I would’ve stuck to the a7rv and fx3 combo. The sl2s stays, it’s great in almost every situation.so my question is, will the canon r5ii be the one and done I hope it is?

Aug 26, 2024 at 11:54 PM

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JasonMello wrote:
I have an a7rv w 24-70 70-200 35 gm. Leica q3, and a Leica sl2s with various lenses. Here’s my problem. I shoot portraits, video, music videos, reality tv, scenic, concerts, and my dogs . The a7rv is awesome, autofocus is on point. But the video sucks, it just does, it’s too clinical. The Leica sl2s is my creative camera, what I see in my head translates perfectly to the photos with this camera. But the autofocus for video sucks. I am the person who really needs the one camera that does it all. My adhd can’t handle two cameras...Show more →

Is the Sony A7IV not an option for stills and video? As for the A7RV's video being to clinical have you tried adding a filter into your lens? Something like a Pro Mist, Cinebloom or something even cheaper than will soften the footage a little.

In terms of Canon my experience with them is very very limited (I'm one of the few who doesn't like their ergonomics) but I'm hearing excellent things about the R5II.

Aug 27, 2024 at 02:32 AM

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I also shoot wildlife so the a7iv isn’t fast enough for me.

SNJOps wrote:
Is the Sony A7IV not an option for stills and video? As for the A7RV's video being to clinical have you tried adding a filter into your lens? Something like a Pro Mist, Cinebloom or something even cheaper than will soften the footage a little.

In terms of Canon my experience with them is very very limited (I'm one of the few who doesn't like their ergonomics) but I'm hearing excellent things about the R5II.

Aug 27, 2024 at 08:24 AM

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Sounds like the option for you on Sony would be an A1, just checked my local camera shop and it has come down in price brand new by quite a bit (£700); most likely due to the R5II announcement.

As you need both video and wildlife the R5II is newer and cheaper, not sure if a Z8 is an option for you but Nikon's long telephoto prime line up is the best on the market at the moment.

Aug 27, 2024 at 09:09 AM

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I think the R5ii is currently better than A1/A7Rv (30fps, program people, A/F, precapture, clog 2, 8k - just the best all rounder) but wait a year and Sony will catch up and pass, and on and on. Switching to a new system (menu, lens) will cost you $1000's and then back $1000's. The both have similar lens to the ones you have.

For me, shooting in the dark requires memorising the camera and menu so that its muscle memory. I would not switch brands unless I was planning to do it forever. There are so many knock on effects like batteries, grips, cages, lens, time to adjust. I would make the decision on the basis of which system ergonomics you like better, not the current gap, unless you are very challenged. If you like Sony and need more get the a1, and stick to i. If you are challenged and like canon ergonomics/menuy get the R5ii, and stick to it.

Aug 27, 2024 at 10:01 AM

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JasonMello wrote:
I also shoot wildlife so the a7iv isn’t fast enough for me.

What do you mean by "fast"? Sensor scan speed? FPS?
I believe A7RV and A7IV have the same FPS settings. I also believe their sensor scan speeds are similar and both way too slow for any type of fast action in ES.

A used or discounted new A1 might be the best choice. Then again if you do wildlife video the A1 doesn't have Animal/Bird Eye-AF in video where your RV does so that could be a step back if you use that feature.

I'd say for your purpose the R5II certainly makes sense if you are really up for a full system and lens switch. Sometimes it is just not worth it. Sometimes it is.
I don't see Sony bringing out any type of R5II competition at an R5II price point. The A1II (hopefully by spring 2025) should be a big upgrade but will cost a lot more than an R5II.

Aug 27, 2024 at 10:28 AM

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Apologies, the a7iv doesn’t do well in the reality tv filming, overheats, and I do love cropping wildlife photos so I do prefer higher resolution.

I think I might just buy the r5ii and a 24-70 and just see if I like it. Without 100% switching first

arbitrage wrote:
What do you mean by "fast"? Sensor scan speed? FPS?
I believe A7RV and A7IV have the same FPS settings. I also believe their sensor scan speeds are similar and both way too slow for any type of fast action in ES.

A used or discounted new A1 might be the best choice. Then again if you do wildlife video the A1 doesn't have Animal/Bird Eye-AF in video where your RV does so that could be a step back if you use that feature.

I'd say for your purpose the R5II certainly makes sense if you are really up for a full system...Show more →

Aug 27, 2024 at 11:27 AM

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JasonMello wrote:
Apologies, the a7iv doesn’t do well in the reality tv filming, overheats, and I do love cropping wildlife photos so I do prefer higher resolution.

I think I might just buy the r5ii and a 24-70 and just see if I like it. Without 100% switching first

You are going to like it man--

I owned Sony for way to long and just got over not loving my cameras like I do my Leica M11's/Q cameras.

Tried Nikon- Its really nice, the standouts are the Plena and the 35 1.4 from Nikon for me. I don't love the rest of the lens lineup though- Just to big in the important lenses for me.

I just bought the R5mk2 and I am really impressed so far. AF is easily as good as the A7Rv (maybe better but not sure the Sony is so good. The files from it, video and stills have been very impressive so far as well.

First outing with it sports related was basically point and shoot with the 70-200 2.8 (the size of this lens is crazy good)

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1870716/

I also did some photo shoots with some primes and its spot on perfect.

Its very very different through from a menus perspective, Also the wheel- The wheel man- Its different. Much less out of the box intuitive then I found the Nikon/Sony but that could just be me. Seems like a winner so far-

I think I am going to go back to Canon completely- I think this camera will check all the boxes and the lenses I 100% need, are ideal in the RF lineup.

Good luck

Aug 27, 2024 at 11:58 AM

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Nice thx!
RustyRus wrote:
You are going to like it man--

I owned Sony for way to long and just got over not loving my cameras like I do my Leica M11's/Q cameras.

Tried Nikon- Its really nice, the standouts are the Plena and the 35 1.4 from Nikon for me. I don't love the rest of the lens lineup though- Just to big in the important lenses for me.

I just bought the R5mk2 and I am really impressed so far. AF is easily as good as the A7Rv (maybe better but not sure the Sony is so good. The files from it, video and...Show more →

Aug 27, 2024 at 01:49 PM

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JasonMello wrote:
Apologies, the a7iv doesn’t do well in the reality tv filming, overheats, and I do love cropping wildlife photos so I do prefer higher resolution.

I think I might just buy the r5ii and a 24-70 and just see if I like it. Without 100% switching first

If you can swing it, get the 24-105/2.8. Or at least try it. Much better optimized for hybrid use and I loved it as a stills lens (borrowed one for a couple weeks from CPS to compare against the 28-70/2). It's a fairly large/long lens though for this focal length range, similar to a traditional 70-200/2.8, but other than that, I thought it was really well designed. Zoom feel was just right and smoother than every other RF lens I've used, which is always frustrating with the little video I shoot. And the manual focusing ring is the smoothest, best dampened fly by wire implementation I think I've ever used. It felt like an ideal, real manual focus lens. It's also sharp from wide open. Honestly, it was difficult to find any significant image quality or performance faults with it.

Aug 27, 2024 at 02:13 PM

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · R5ii vs Sony/leica

I've always argued that Sony is missing Canon R5/II or Nikon Z8 offering. They either want you to go really high into an a1 or a9III, but their $3-4K option is the a7RV, which is great for landscape, travel, portrait/studio and product photography, but the rolling shutter is a real issue, and video isn't great. And don't get me started on the EVF resolutions once you engage AF...

I am pretty sure you could be very happy with a Canon R5 II at this point, the question is really if they have the lenses you want and need, and if you have the budget to swap to Canon as a couple of R5II and RF glasses will set you back a pretty penny.

As always, renting or borrowing it is probably your best option.

Aug 27, 2024 at 04:51 PM


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