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snegron7 wrote:
I'm looking at the possibility of going to Iceland. If that doesn't pan out, then maybe Alaska.


The ocean tends to really buffer the temperature. I’ve read Anchorage really isn't that cold, it's next to the ocean, Fairbanks look out.

You should be able to go in September and October having enough darkness and shouldn't be too terribly cold. Even south of the Artic circle it doesn't necessarily get dark in summer, up there, autumn solstice September ~21 is pretty much sundown around 6 pm afaik


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Scott Stoness wrote:
If Iceland or Alaska don't work (Fairbanks is best for Aurora - Anchorage not as good) , best places in Canada for northern lights are:

Yellowknife - it's really cold (-40c at night most days), but there are ice roads everywhere for 100's of km. You can drive on the cleared ice highways to find great spots without any risk of human lights. And it's within the centre of the aurora band. Fantastic place that's 2 hours from Calgary with regular flights - if you can take the cold.

Whitehorse - it's usually 5c warmer than Yellowknife and 1/3 hour north
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I really want to get up to Yellowknife for Aurora soon. Looks amazing. A lot of people fear the very cold temperatures but I found -40F in still conditions felt far warmer than -10F with wind. The wind is killer and cuts through any exposed skin. I would also love to get on that way to photograph the tundra in fall as the colors look dreamy!



Aug 24, 2024 at 03:10 PM
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Winter photography is often great, and very few others get that experience, the bliss of no one around! I tried to get the tour outfits to do me a winter trip in West Tibet, but the guides won't do it.

Altitude just adds to the toughness of the adventure, and it doesn't snow much at all in the 'Land of Snows', so roads are open. I imagine -45C and 4500m are the reasons why, but I'd like to do it nevertheless.



Aug 24, 2024 at 05:20 PM
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Scott Stoness wrote:
If Iceland or Alaska don't work (Fairbanks is best for Aurora - Anchorage not as good) , best places in Canada for northern lights are:

Yellowknife - it's really cold (-40c at night most days), but there are ice roads everywhere for 100's of km. You can drive on the cleared ice highways to find great spots without any risk of human lights. And it's within the centre of the aurora band. Fantastic place that's 2 hours from Calgary with regular flights - if you can take the cold.

Whitehorse - it's usually 5c warmer than Yellowknife and 1/3 hour north
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Thanks! I'm looking at going probably during the first half of January due to work scheduling issues.

I've never seen the northern lights, so I have no idea what to expect. As for the cold weather, I have very little experience (I use a windbreaker jacket when temps drop to 50° F during the 3 days of "winter" here in Florida). So, I'm planning on signing up for a few tours since I have almost no experience drining in snowy/icey conditions. I'm in the process now of ordering winter clothing/gear as well.

Taking inventory of the current equipment I own, I don't think I have any wide angle Canon lenses for my R6II that are weather sealed (other than my old EF 17-40mm f4.0L with EF/RF adapter). As for my Sony gear, my only lenses are 3 Tamrons; 17-28mm f2.8, 20-40mm f2.8 and 28-200mm f2.8/5.6. According to Tamron they are supposed to be weather sealed. On the other hand, I also have an OM Systems OM-5 with a Panasonic 12-35mm f2.8. It's supposed to be weather sealed as well. I'm now debating on taking the Sony with Tamron lenses and the OM-5 instead of taking the R6II (purchasing an Olympus 7-24mm f2.8 Pro for wide angle shots because it would be cheaper than buying a Canon RF 15-35mmf2.8L for my R6II).



Aug 24, 2024 at 07:53 PM
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snegron7 wrote:
Thanks! I'm looking at going probably during the first half of January due to work scheduling issues.

I've never seen the northern lights, so I have no idea what to expect. As for the cold weather, I have very little experience (I use a windbreaker jacket when temps drop to 50° F during the 3 days of "winter" here in Florida). So, I'm planning on signing up for a few tours since I have almost no experience drining in snowy/icey conditions. I'm in the process now of ordering winter clothing/gear as well.

Taking inventory of the current equipment I own,
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Take a look at https://www.gi.alaska.edu/monitors/aurora-forecast for forecasts.

The first thing you realise is that, surprisingly Anchorage is not a great Aurora spot. Fairbanks, Iceland, Yellowknife are in the belt.

Dawson City is great but pretty isolated, I would not go there in January. The best time is early September.

Then plan using the moon forecast. You want to shoot when the moon is not up. Choose your day accordingly.







Aug 24, 2024 at 11:31 PM
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snegron7 wrote:
Taking inventory of the current equipment I own, I don't think I have any wide angle Canon lenses for my R6II that are weather sealed (other than my old EF 17-40mm f4.0L with EF/RF adapter). As for my Sony gear, my only lenses are 3 Tamrons; 17-28mm f2.8, 20-40mm f2.8 and 28-200mm f2.8/5.6. According to Tamron they are supposed to be weather sealed. On the other hand, I also have an OM Systems OM-5 with a Panasonic 12-35mm f2.8. It's supposed to be weather sealed as well. I'm now debating on taking the Sony with Tamron lenses and the OM-5
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Lenses are only one consideration. Are those bodies weather sealed?

Anyway, if it's below freezing, if your equipment is at ambient temperature and you're photographing aurora on clear sky nights, what is the relevance of weather sealed/resistant equipment? It'll be cold, but weather sealing isn't against the cold. It's against water/dust ingress and water won't be a problem in this situation. Also, if well below freezing and equipment at ambient, if it's snowing, it doesn't stick to equipment like rain does. You can also buy inexpensive rain covers that are probably more effective at blocking water than weather resistant equipment.



Aug 25, 2024 at 12:17 AM
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Scott Stoness wrote:
Take a look at https://www.gi.alaska.edu/monitors/aurora-forecast for forecasts.

The first thing you realise is that, surprisingly Anchorage is not a great Aurora spot. Fairbanks, Iceland, Yellowknife are in the belt.

Dawson City is great but pretty isolated, I would not go there in January. The best time is early September.

Then plan using the moon forecast. You want to shoot when the moon is not up. Choose your day accordingly.



Thank you!! Fairbanks is the city I'm looking into if I end up going to Alaska. Only reason it's in 2nd place to Iceland for me is that there seems to be little else to do in Fairbanks in January compared to Iceland. My reasoning is that in case the weather is bad in either place, at least in Iceland there are other sights to see (via tours).



Aug 25, 2024 at 05:50 AM
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I have used my R5 at -28 C no problem it even flew in a backpack in an outside basket at 180 KM/h at -28C and I had no issue at all.













I would not recommend leaving the camera out all night at the elements. I tried with an insta360 1inch, first time it was completely frozen with ice all around, second time it did work:




I would not do it with an R5...




Aug 25, 2024 at 07:06 AM
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A number of years ago my wife and I did a tour of Yellowstone in the winter. We were lucky the weather was really nice, but cold. On a few outings the driver warned us that it was really cold; one day it was -37 degrees cold. We didn't stay outside too long.

At the time I shot mostly with Nikon gear, a D7200 specifically. I recall that the camera froze up a few times, so I tucked it under my arm inside my jacket to try and warm it up, and it worked, at least for a little while.

And yeah, I did get some good shots. : )



Aug 25, 2024 at 07:16 AM
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snegron7 wrote:
Thank you!! Fairbanks is the city I'm looking into if I end up going to Alaska. Only reason it's in 2nd place to Iceland for me is that there seems to be little else to do in Fairbanks in January compared to Iceland. My reasoning is that in case the weather is bad in either place, at least in Iceland there are other sights to see (via tours).


I really enjoyed Iceland. It has aurora (more assured than anchorage), landscapes, and it was warmer. If I was choosing it would be Alaska for summer (wildlife) and Iceland for winter (no sunrise in winter). But neither are bad choices in either season.



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I have shot my r5 (r8, 5dsr, 5diii, 7dii, 7d) down to -40c for hours. It works well and the batteries work well. The only issue I have had was
- the dslrs' would groan a bit but work with mechanical shutter
- that I need to be careful not to breath on the back and it will freeze over making it hard to see the lcd/evf. Lens too.
- that I had to be careful to keep it in my back pack when warming or leave it outside or the condensation would form and then if I took it out
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Let me add my clothing suggestions. I often snowshoe 2 hours in the dark up hill to wait an hour for sunrise at -38, and then snowshoe 1.5 hours back down.

I use really light gloves with finger lcd sensitive stuff inside 3 finger hestra gloves, with chemical warmers. Because I am hot going up the hill and trampling down my shooting spot with snowshoes and then start getting cold. Put the warmers in at the start, because it's miserable to wait or fuss in the cold and you want them to be full warm when you get cold. You cannot operate a camera with gloves and stay warm - its the worst of both worlds. My 3 finger gloves, I slip my trigger finger out to main area to warm. The light gloves take the bite out on the metal and I either put them in my pocket or back in the glove. I have OR (thick gloves within mitts) and Hestra (3 finger) and my hands are cold with OR - I consider them good fair weather gloves - because the OR gloves within are thicker your fingers cannot stay together and don't warm) - thin gloves within 3 finger hestra with chemical warms work for me).

For face cover, I like a big hood that causes a wind shadow when I am facing the wind. I use an arterixc shell, with acterix running shirt, Patagonia hooded down puffy, and I don't get cold in body. I use thinner puffy for up and swap out the thick hooded puffy for standing still - doing it immediately before getting cold. I wear a muskox/elpaca blend toque that is really thin and warm for its size, inside the shell or puffy hood.

For legs I use arcteryix hiking pants with goretex (breathign overpant) that has zipper sides to cool off up, and zipper up for standing still.

For feet I use silk liner socks, inside would thick socks, and my Solomon winter boots. And I put in chemical warmers before starting because once you are cold, you will get really cold in hands taking the boots off to put in chemical warmers for standing still.

The hardest part of cold is keeping my glasses unfrosted. keep your head forward and breathe out or you will not see a thing. If I fail I put the glasses on my pocket and they clear off.

The key for hiking and then picture taking is to switch out puffy as soon as the work going up is done. Do it early or everything will get cold and it's hard to recover. I keep walking behind my camera in circles to keep feet warm from time to time. And ultimately, I head back if I mistime the sunrise and am too early, because downhill is cooler than uphill.

I carry an Inreach and cell phone, but realize that by the time a rescue comes, I will have lost fingers and toes, so the critical thing is to keep moving and not lock yourself out of your car at the end. My most scary event was with my jeep after snowhoeing 5 hours at -38 because down is not as energetic and out and my car fob would not work (not open the car). I had to stuff the fob into my underwear to warm it up for 15 minutes to start the car. I could open the door but then the alarm went off, draining the battery as I waited for the fob to warm. Losing my key would have been a disaster, so I suggest having a key left at the car in a way that you cannot screw up. If you are renting, with a fob car, use a zip tie to tie the fob inside your pants pocket, so you won't accidentally lock yourself out, and never lock the doors when you are out before verifying the fob with you.

Not saying that the above is best, just saying it works for me. And it is for -40c/f temperature risks.



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snegron7 wrote:
I'm posting this on both the Canon and Sony forums because I would like to know about the cold weather performance on both cameras I own; Canon R6II and Sony A7c.

Both cameras have the exact same operating temperatures of 32° to 104° / 0°-40° C.

I'm looking into planning a possible trip to visit a very cold place, possibly 14°F (-10°C). This is cold by my standards (I live in Florida, and the temperature here is usually between 80° and 93°F). I have read that the charge on my batteries will die down faster in colder weather. However, I'd like
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For many -10°C is not very cold. It is of course important that you dress adequately for the weather and temperature conditions. I live in rural Canada and usually ware 3 layers with a thing Merino base layer, a light mid layer and a wind/snow resistant outer layer. For gloves I ware a thin silk liner inside light pliable wind-blocker main gloves. Take the glove off when operating the camera and your fingers won't freeze. I have shot down to -32°C w/o any issues with the camera gear. Keep your batteries in a pocket close to your body. Take Zipp-lock freezer bags large enough for your gear. Great at preventing condensation when you stay at warmer places like your car, tent or house.



Aug 25, 2024 at 12:46 PM
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Scott Stoness wrote:
Let me add my clothing suggestions. I often snowshoe 2 hours in the dark up hill to wait an hour for sunrise at -38, and then snowshoe 1.5 hours back down.

I use really light gloves with finger lcd sensitive stuff inside 3 finger hestra gloves, with chemical warmers. Because I am hot going up the hill and trampling down my shooting spot with snowshoes and then start getting cold. Put the warmers in at the start, because it's miserable to wait or fuss in the cold and you want them to be full warm when you get cold. You
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Thank you!! I haven't even thought about operating a car while on this trip! I honestly don't feel comfortable with the idea of driving in snow/ice conditions, so I'm hoping I can schedule a tour while I'm there.




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jowul wrote:
For many -10°C is not very cold. It is of course important that you dress adequately for the weather and temperature conditions. I live in rural Canada and usually ware 3 layers with a thing Merino base layer, a light mid layer and a wind/snow resistant outer layer. For gloves I ware a thin silk liner inside light pliable wind-blocker main gloves. Take the glove off when operating the camera and your fingers won't freeze. I have shot down to -32°C w/o any issues with the camera gear. Keep your batteries in a pocket close to your body. Take Zipp-lock
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Thanks! I'm probably going to start ordering some of these winter clothing items soon (where I live in Florida, no one sells winter gear, so I'm going to have to order everything online).



Aug 25, 2024 at 01:02 PM
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The following link is a pretty good overview of clothing/layering options, though somewhat biased towards Arcteryx options.

https://www.reddotforum.com/content/2018/05/what-to-wear-the-definitive-clothing-guide-for-landscape-photography/

Scott made good points about clothing suitable for the conditions and your activities. If possible you should try to determine the range of physical activities you will encounter and how frequently you'll transition from high exertion to standing around photographing aurora, if at all. For high exertion, you'll be surprised at how quickly you can overheat and this is where the advice of dressing in layers comes in. Base layer (underwear), mid layers and outer layer. You want something that can wick sweat away from your skin and transfer the moisture to the mid and outer layers for it to evaporate (if the conditions allow it), or at the least so that the layer touching your skin does not feel wet. Generally this means you want breathability yet also external moisture resistance against rain/snow. This is where the recommendation usually for a Gore-Tex shell comes in (coat and pants), but there are other technologies that will do similar. Keep in mind that a shell is just that - an outer non-insulated layer that blocks external elements such as rain, snow and wind from penetrating into your other layers. A shell with ample ventilation zips will help regulate heat retention and expulsion depending on the activity level. For the base you can go with something like polypropylene with the downside that it tends to get stinky. The natural, much less stinky alternative is merino wool (I would avoid cotton because it will get wet from sweat and stay and feel wet). For polypropylene I use the various weights available from Uniqlo in their Heattech line, all the way up to their 'extra warm' tops and bottoms for very cold conditions. And I wear a merino wool long sleeve top under the polypropylene layer (even in summer I wear merino wool blend tops and feel extremely comfortable). For socks I really like anything from Darn Tough with extra cushion and over the calf length. Those are in the 70% merino wool range, are very comfortable/cushy and very effectively wick moisture away from my feet (and seem to last forever). The mid layer is the one that will generally dictate your overall comfort and heat retention. As Scott mentioned, things like puffies (down or synthetic insulation filled tops), fleeces, and thicknesses to correspond with how cold it is and your activity level. Puffies can often be stuffed down into a small pouch or into their own pocket for easier carry so that you can bring along a couple, as Scott mentioned: a lighter one for high exertion activities and a thicker one for standing around. For pants in cold conditions, worn over thick long underwear, I prefer a thicker soft-shell type material for wind blocking and better mobility. Something like Outdoor Research's (OR) Cirque. But soft-shells are generally not very water resistant, so for poor weather conditions, you'll still want a decent pair of Gore-Tex or similar pants to put over them when necessary.

What you really don't want is clothing that will be like wearing a plastic bag. It will trap and accumulate moisture from your body inside the outer shell. Once you stop moving around you will cool off and all the trapped moisture will turn very cold and uncomfortable. Along this line I'd be somewhat wary about thick parkas. Great for standing around, but once you start moving, you will overheat and load it up with sweat. Then when you stop for a while, the insulation (depending on the type) may be significantly less effective at keeping you warm. And they're so bulky.

Before you start buying clothes, it might be worth determining if you will join tours. If so, contact the tour operators for clothing advice. From what I recall seeing on social media or somewhere, some of the aurora tours might provide some outerwear, such as parkas, given that they tend to attract a lot of foreign tourists with minimal outdoor/extreme weather experience.



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Just as an FYI and piling on, as others have already written here, Sony battery chemistry is fine down to 0F / -18C or colder. I have my Sony A7RV out in 0-10F temperatures for probably 15+ days every winter, as it always goes in my snowboard pack. I only bring an extra battery because sometimes the camera will get jostled on the lift or when riding very aggressively, and then the power turns on and it can lose power in 4 hours or so while driving to the EVF. I had the same experience with my A7iii before that (same battery) so Sony bodies are great in the cold. The Tamron 28-200 you have is a fantastic travel lens and you only need to add a wide angle zoom / prime or fast prime to your kit to make an incredibly flexible travel kit.


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Scott Stoness wrote:
Take a look at https://www.gi.alaska.edu/monitors/aurora-forecast for forecasts.

The first thing you realise is that, surprisingly Anchorage is not a great Aurora spot. Fairbanks, Iceland, Yellowknife are in the belt.

Dawson City is great but pretty isolated, I would not go there in January. The best time is early September.

Then plan using the moon forecast. You want to shoot when the moon is not up. Choose your day accordingly.


Idk if Anchorage is good it doesn't look like it from the map, Iceland you might be able to shoot near the ocean though, not so cold. Looks like potentially very cold in the belt in January if you can't get close to the ocean.

Great point on the moon, looks like you'd want to go first or last week in January, depending on if you're shooting all night, or just in the evening before midnight. Op might look at the light pollution map you might want to go out of Fairbanks a bit, could be some risk driving a rental in the cold by yourself though if you have car trouble



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rscheffler wrote:
The following link is a pretty good overview of clothing/layering options, though somewhat biased towards Arcteryx options.

https://www.reddotforum.com/content/2018/05/what-to-wear-the-definitive-clothing-guide-for-landscape-photography/

Scott made good points about clothing suitable for the conditions and your activities. If possible you should try to determine the range of physical activities you will encounter and how frequently you'll transition from high exertion to standing around photographing aurora, if at all. For high exertion, you'll be surprised at how quickly you can overheat and this is where the advice of dressing in layers comes in. Base layer (underwear), mid layers and outer layer. You want something that can wick sweat away
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Thank you, and thanks for the link! I really appreciate your advice, as I was just going to wear jeans and a thick coat. This whole cold weather thing is completely outside of my knowledge level!

One thing for sure is that I will definitely be booking tours on this trip. There is no way I'm risking driving in unfamiliar driving conditions.

Thanks again!!



Aug 25, 2024 at 09:04 PM
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Newenglandrocks wrote:
Just as an FYI and piling on, as others have already written here, Sony battery chemistry is fine down to 0F / -18C or colder. I have my Sony A7RV out in 0-10F temperatures for probably 15+ days every winter, as it always goes in my snowboard pack. I only bring an extra battery because sometimes the camera will get jostled on the lift or when riding very aggressively, and then the power turns on and it can lose power in 4 hours or so while driving to the EVF. I had the same experience with my A7iii before that
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Thanks! In addition to the Tamron 28-200mm, I will also be taking a Tamron 17-28mm f2.8.

As for the secondary camera, I'm leaving the R6II at home. The only lens option I could come up with was an RF 15-35mm f2.8L, but I don't have $2,000 to spare for it right now. So, I'm probably going with my OM-5 and 7-14mm f2.8 Pro. My kid will be using my Sony A7c, and I will be using my OM-5. My logic behind this is that it takes way more skill/know-how to get the max potential with the OM-5 than with the A7c.



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snegron7 wrote:
Thank you, and thanks for the link! I really appreciate your advice, as I was just going to wear jeans and a thick coat. This whole cold weather thing is completely outside of my knowledge level!

One thing for sure is that I will definitely be booking tours on this trip. There is no way I'm risking driving in unfamiliar driving conditions.

Thanks again!!




Yeah, please do the layers. I mean, jeans could work but combined with long underwear and a shell for when it's wet and/or windy (because jeans will get soaked and you'll be miserable). But proper 'technical' pants are cut for much better mobility and range of motion. Unfortunately, IMO, it's difficult to narrow down the choices from all the brands without being able to try them on. Each brand can have quirks with cut and proportions. One might be accurately sized for your build while another might require a size up or down. Is there absolutely nothing in your area where you can try out some winter gear? Like an REI? Or at least talk to someone with some actual winter experience? I think the challenge for you will be that you're accustomed to warm weather and it will initially feel very cold, even if it really isn't *that* cold. Once you get moving a bit and focused on whatever is happening, you will probably forget about the cold. Maybe. For me it's usually when standing around and nothing is happening that I start to think about it. Or going to the bathroom. But I also really like being out in wilder winter weather (as wild as it can get in my area, which might be tame compared to some other places), especially during blizzards. There is something strangely calming about being in a wind whipped whiteout frenzy. On the flip side, back in Sept. 2019 I shot a Dolphins game in Miami and nearly passed out from heat exhaustion after the first half, haha. I wasn't used to the heat and humidity combined with physical exertion running up and down the sidelines between plays. TBH, I'd rather be stuck in a blizzard at a Bills game in Buffalo (the photo in an earlier post).

Like with appropriate attire for the conditions, driving in the winter is similar. Winter tires help a lot. 4-wheel drive/AWD helps too. Fresh snow isn't really so much the problem, it's hard-packed snow and ice combined with inappropriate driving technique. There's a reason why studded winter tires are popular in some regions. With a rental car here in my area of Canada, I would not trust them to put on proper winter instead of all season tires. Iceland might be different and perhaps someone who has been there can comment. But sure, as a totally new experience, I don't blame you for wanting to let someone else take care of the driving. It leaves more time for you to look out the window and enjoy (even if it's mostly in the dark).

Back to clothing: I find the reviews here pretty good:

https://www.outdoorgearlab.com/clothing-mens



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