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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Questions for Canon EOS R8 owners

It doesn't seem like Canon's marketing is consistent about the weather-sealing of this camera. I think Canon Europe mentioned it, but I don't think Canon USA has anything about the topic. Of course, it's probably unrealistic to expect an R3 level of weather sealing at this price point. What do you guys think?

Historically, Canon's sensors lagged behind Nikon and Sony's cameras. Lately, it seems like Canon has narrowed the gap. According to DXOMARK, the R8 is capable of capturing 14.7 stops at ISO100. However, what's the shadow recovery like when compared to other FF sensors? Is it almost as good as a modern Sony sensor? I'm sort of surprised with Canon's achievement considering this isn't a BSI or a stacked sensor. Canon seems to have engineered something using last-generation technology that gives a good performance for the price.

Most of the reviews that I have read talked about its performance in photography. Is the R8 a capable video camera? I'm not worried about overheating or the short battery life since I think 4K/30p is adequate for me. It's nice that there is LOG, albeit CLOG3, but I'm assuming it'll still perform well despite not being CLOG2? What's the highest quality 4K/30p video mode? Do the LOG files grade well? Will the 4K videos compare favorably against other FF cameras like the Canon R5 or the Nikon Z8? I know those cameras are oversampling from an 8K+ sensor.

I know the R8 shares a similar AF system as the R3 and the R6 II. I'm assuming that means all Canon RF lenses, including the 24-240mm, will perform well even in low-light situations?

I know the R8 is small and light. When used with a heavy lens like the 28-70mm f/2, I assume it'll be front-heavy, but what about with a tripod? I'm assuming no stability issues?

With regards to the quality of the bokeh and the EFCS, if the shutter speed is below a certain range, would you be comfortable using fast lenses like the 28-70mm f/2 or the 85mm f/1.2 wide-opened? I'm assuming the R8's AF is more than capable of operating those two lenses at f/2 and f/1.2, respectively? If the R8 is paired with the 85mm f/1.2 and shoots at f/1.2, Eye AF needs to get the eyes sharp. Is it reliable?

I'm reading that RAW bit depth can drop down to 12-bit. What do I need to do to ensure that I always capture 14-bit RAW? Is CRAW different from RAW? I just want to shoot 14-bit lossless RAW with the smallest file size.

Can I shoot a seven-frame auto exposure bracket with a difference of 1 EV each? Will this always be in 14-bit RAW?

Can the R8 remember the self-timer setting after turning the camera off? Surprisingly, there are cameras like the Nikon Z7 II and the Fujifilm X-T2 that don't.

Is the R8 compatible with the Canon BR-E1 Bluetooth Remote Control? Can I use the BR-E1 to wirelessly trigger the seven-frame auto exposure bracket?

Thanks for the help!

Aug 19, 2024 at 05:31 PM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Questions for Canon EOS R8 owners

holy smokes batman, that's a lot of questions. I think if you look on youtube, you will find answers to most of them, as most video-focused reviews are on there, vs conventional websites/print media.

The R8 is a fine camera, kinda unique in the market as offering some of the latest and greatest specs with a FF sensor, small footprint, and low price, but brings a LOT of tradeoffs. I thought the battery life would be the biggest tradeoff, but in practice for me personally it was the EVF (mediocre at best) and lack of IBIS that really frustrated me.

The 4K at max settings looks great. I don't know how it would hold up to a cinema camera, but it should do just fine compared to R5 or Z8 (all shooting 4K with similar settings)- although battery life will be awful.

The AF system was amazing. That and the sensor are the only thing I miss in my lateral move/downgrade to the R7. I mostly shoot macro and wildlife so the R7 suits me better for the most part, but the R8 AF is far better.

I personally never saw EFCS effects on bokeh, but wasn't using anything faster than 1.4 and really just used full e-shutter most of the time.

The handling is fine with chunkier lenses.

IIRC the bit depth will stay at the higher settings if you stick to EFCS and slower rates- the faster e-shutter modes force 12bit.

I don't think it stays in self timer mode after shutoff.

I'm pretty sure chatGPT/google Gemini could answer your questions lol. I've used it for similar purpose.

Aug 19, 2024 at 06:27 PM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Questions for Canon EOS R8 owners

ISO1600 wrote:
holy smokes batman, that's a lot of questions. I think if you look on youtube, you will find answers to most of them, as most video-focused reviews are on there, vs conventional websites/print media.

The R8 is a fine camera, kinda unique in the market as offering some of the latest and greatest specs with a FF sensor, small footprint, and low price, but brings a LOT of tradeoffs. I thought the battery life would be the biggest tradeoff, but in practice for me personally it was the EVF (mediocre at best) and lack of IBIS that really frustrated me....Show more →

No better way than to confirm and ask the owners here. The reviews don't necessarily cover my use case. Almost all of them never touch on the wireless remote and auto exposure bracket.

Aug 19, 2024 at 06:56 PM

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ISO1600 wrote:
holy smokes batman, that's a lot of questions. I think if you look on youtube, you will find answers to most of them, as most video-focused reviews are on there, vs conventional websites/print media.

The R8 is a fine camera, kinda unique in the market as offering some of the latest and greatest specs with a FF sensor, small footprint, and low price, but brings a LOT of tradeoffs. I thought the battery life would be the biggest tradeoff, but in practice for me personally it was the EVF (mediocre at best) and lack of IBIS that really frustrated me....Show more →

Although I am not the OP I just wanted to say great answer and thanks for the information!

Aug 20, 2024 at 04:57 AM

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lsquare wrote:
It doesn't seem like Canon's marketing is consistent about the weather-sealing of this camera. I think Canon Europe mentioned it, but I don't think Canon USA has anything about the topic. Of course, it's probably unrealistic to expect an R3 level of weather sealing at this price point. What do you guys think?

Historically, Canon's sensors lagged behind Nikon and Sony's cameras. Lately, it seems like Canon has narrowed the gap. According to DXOMARK, the R8 is capable of capturing 14.7 stops at ISO100. However, what's the shadow recovery like when compared to other FF sensors? Is it almost as good as a modern Sony sensor? I'm sort of surprised with Canon's achievement considering this isn't a BSI or a stacked sensor. Canon seems to have engineered something using last-generation technology that gives a good performance for the price.

Most of the reviews that I have read talked about its performance in photography. Is the R8 a capable video camera? I'm not worried about overheating or the short battery life since I think 4K/30p is adequate for me. It's nice that there is LOG, albeit CLOG3, but I'm assuming it'll still perform well despite not being CLOG2? What's the highest quality 4K/30p video mode? Do the LOG files grade well? Will the 4K videos compare favorably against other FF cameras like the Canon R5 or the Nikon Z8? I know those cameras are oversampling from an 8K+ sensor.

I know the R8 shares a similar AF system as the R3 and the R6 II. I'm assuming that means all Canon RF lenses, including the 24-240mm, will perform well even in low-light situations?

I know the R8 is small and light. When used with a heavy lens like the 28-70mm f/2, I assume it'll be front-heavy, but what about with a tripod? I'm assuming no stability issues?

With regards to the quality of the bokeh and the EFCS, if the shutter speed is below a certain range, would you be comfortable using fast lenses like the 28-70mm f/2 or the 85mm f/1.2 wide-opened? I'm assuming the R8's AF is more than capable of operating those two lenses at f/2 and f/1.2, respectively? If the R8 is paired with the 85mm f/1.2 and shoots at f/1.2, Eye AF needs to get the eyes sharp. Is it reliable?

I'm reading that RAW bit depth can drop down to 12-bit. What do I need to do to ensure that I always capture 14-bit RAW? Is CRAW different from RAW? I just want to shoot 14-bit lossless RAW with the smallest file size.

Can I shoot a seven-frame auto exposure bracket with a difference of 1 EV each? Will this always be in 14-bit RAW?

Can the R8 remember the self-timer setting after turning the camera off? Surprisingly, there are cameras like the Nikon Z7 II and the Fujifilm X-T2 that don't.

Is the R8 compatible with the Canon BR-E1 Bluetooth Remote Control? Can I use the BR-E1 to wirelessly trigger the seven-frame auto exposure bracket?

Thanks for the help!...Show more →

I know the R8 shares a similar AF system as the R3 and the R6 II. I'm assuming that means all Canon RF lenses, including the 24-240mm, will perform well even in low-light situations? YES

I know the R8 is small and light. When used with a heavy lens like the 28-70mm f/2, I assume it'll be front-heavy, but what about with a tripod? I'm assuming no stability issues? IT IS FRONT HEAVY. I mostly use my R5 when using my big shift lens or Zeiss lens. For r8, you will need a heavy good cage/bracket/mount and a strong ball head so it does not creep. Also use EFCS so the vibration is at the end. [For me - I bought it for small/light and bought lots of STM light lens 16, 15-30, 24-105, 24-50, 100-400 and the lightness enabled me to buy a super light carbon tripod without issues and shaved another 2lbs off. ]

With regards to the quality of the bokeh and the EFCS, if the shutter speed is below a certain range, would you be comfortable using fast lenses like the 28-70mm f/2 or the 85mm f/1.2 wide-opened? I'm assuming the R8's AF is more than capable of operating those two lenses at f/2 and f/1.2, respectively? If the R8 is paired with the 85mm f/1.2 and shoots at f/1.2, Eye AF needs to get the eyes sharp. Is it reliable? IT DOES REALLY WELL with fast lens. I like it better than my R5.

I'm reading that RAW bit depth can drop down to 12-bit. What do I need to do to ensure that I always capture 14-bit RAW? Is CRAW different from RAW? I just want to shoot 14-bit lossless RAW with the smallest file size. TO AVOID 12 BIT, you will have to shoot in EFCS (or mechanical but I don't because of shutter shock) at slower speed. Keep in mind that beyond iso800, 14 bit vs 12 bit does not matter - the dynamic range is the same. I don't use CRAW as default, and will only use it at high ISO's in good light. Most of the reviews I have read are that if you shoot underexposed, it does not push as well. It's okay but but the buffer is already pretty good, so I would rather manage my buffer. I would rather buy a good card. My Kingston Canvas v90 is reasonable in price and quite good. I recommend it.

Can I shoot a seven-frame auto exposure bracket with a difference of 1 EV each? Will this always be in 14-bit RAW? YES. It is either in electronic(12bit) or EFCS(14 bit) or mechanical (14 bit). Put it in EFCS and set the bracketing to 7 and adjust the space to 1. [I will check for 7 on mine]

Can the R8 remember the self-timer setting after turning the camera off? Surprisingly, there are cameras like the Nikon Z7 II and the Fujifilm X-T2 that don't. IT REMEMBERS the self timer setting. I make use of C1 and C2 but setting C1 for on the tripod landscape [EFCS, 2s delay, manual focus with focus assist, AEB +-2 stop] and C2 for wildlife (electronic, continuous, spot exposure -2/3, spot focus with a button to switch to eye]. I have a favourite menu for Landscape - AEB, Electronic off/on, timer off/on, ...] and one for wildlife [precapture, electronic on/off, eye, ....]

Is the R8 compatible with the Canon BR-E1 Bluetooth Remote Control? Can I use the BR-E1 to wirelessly trigger the seven-frame auto exposure bracket? DON"T Know. I use the 2s timer to manage shutter vibration.

In general, I love this camera at its price point. I like the video menus usability more than my R5. I like the analog still vs video. I like the memory and autofocus settings better than R5. The only things I really don't like in order of importances are:
- 24mpx - not much room for cropping
- does not have C3 for optionality. On my R5, I use C1 for landscape on Tripod, C2 for landscape travel, and C3 for wildlife. I have to remember more settings because of the lack of C3.

Others don't like it for
- Lack of IBIS - does not matter for me because I am either on the tripod or shooting fast fps and most my lens have IS
- Different batteries - if it's your only camera this is a non issue. I just carry lots and they are small. And on the road I carry a 3 bay charger and can charge with my power bank. There are lots of generic batteries and they work well but don't tell you how full they are. I have several canon and 6 generic.
- Only 1 slot - I am not a wedding photographer and most of what I do is repeatable and auto backup to another slot is just a pain and slows things down for me.

PM me if you have a specific question.

Aug 20, 2024 at 10:04 AM

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Scott Stoness wrote:
TO AVOID 12 BIT, you will have to shoot in EFCS (or mechanical but I don't because of shutter shock) at slower speed.

electronic(12bit) or EFCS(14 bit) or mechanical (14 bit). Put it in EFCS and set the bracketing to 7 and adjust the space to 1. [I will check for 7 on mine]

You keep mentioning mechanical shutter, which the R8 does *not* have. It's either EFCS or full electronic.

Aug 20, 2024 at 05:45 PM

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lsquare wrote:
No better way than to confirm and ask the owners here.

I agree 100%. The whole reason FM exists is for the types of threads. YouTube can't answer your questions directly. ChatGPT just makes up an answer that sounds like it was written by a human, but isn't necessarily factual.

Aug 20, 2024 at 05:59 PM

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Caleb Williams wrote:
I agree 100%. The whole reason FM exists is for the types of threads. YouTube can't answer your questions directly. ChatGPT just makes up an answer that sounds like it was written by a human, but isn't necessarily factual.

Thank you. I also don't want to return and exchange things. Too many people abuse that. The more I know, the better my decision-making will be. Overthinking? Maybe, but this is the point of a forum. I am not trying to start anything, but there are way too many forum police wannabes out there.

Aug 20, 2024 at 07:17 PM

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Scott Stoness wrote:
I know the R8 shares a similar AF system as the R3 and the R6 II. I'm assuming that means all Canon RF lenses, including the 24-240mm, will perform well even in low-light situations? YES

I know the R8 is small and light. When used with a heavy lens like the 28-70mm f/2, I assume it'll be front-heavy, but what about with a tripod? I'm assuming no stability issues? IT IS FRONT HEAVY. I mostly use my R5 when using my big shift lens or Zeiss lens. For r8, you will need a heavy good cage/bracket/mount and a strong ball head so it does not creep. Also use EFCS so the vibration is at the end. [For me - I bought it for small/light and bought lots of STM light lens 16, 15-30, 24-105, 24-50, 100-400 and the lightness enabled me to buy a super light carbon tripod without issues and shaved another 2lbs off. ]

With regards to the quality of the bokeh and the EFCS, if the shutter speed is below a certain range, would you be comfortable using fast lenses like the 28-70mm f/2 or the 85mm f/1.2 wide-opened? I'm assuming the R8's AF is more than capable of operating those two lenses at f/2 and f/1.2, respectively? If the R8 is paired with the 85mm f/1.2 and shoots at f/1.2, Eye AF needs to get the eyes sharp. Is it reliable? IT DOES REALLY WELL with fast lens. I like it better than my R5.

I'm reading that RAW bit depth can drop down to 12-bit. What do I need to do to ensure that I always capture 14-bit RAW? Is CRAW different from RAW? I just want to shoot 14-bit lossless RAW with the smallest file size. TO AVOID 12 BIT, you will have to shoot in EFCS (or mechanical but I don't because of shutter shock) at slower speed. Keep in mind that beyond iso800, 14 bit vs 12 bit does not matter - the dynamic range is the same. I don't use CRAW as default, and will only use it at high ISO's in good light. Most of the reviews I have read are that if you shoot underexposed, it does not push as well. It's okay but but the buffer is already pretty good, so I would rather manage my buffer. I would rather buy a good card. My Kingston Canvas v90 is reasonable in price and quite good. I recommend it.

Can I shoot a seven-frame auto exposure bracket with a difference of 1 EV each? Will this always be in 14-bit RAW? YES. It is either in electronic(12bit) or EFCS(14 bit) or mechanical (14 bit). Put it in EFCS and set the bracketing to 7 and adjust the space to 1. [I will check for 7 on mine]

Can the R8 remember the self-timer setting after turning the camera off? Surprisingly, there are cameras like the Nikon Z7 II and the Fujifilm X-T2 that don't. IT REMEMBERS the self timer setting. I make use of C1 and C2 but setting C1 for on the tripod landscape [EFCS, 2s delay, manual focus with focus assist, AEB +-2 stop] and C2 for wildlife (electronic, continuous, spot exposure -2/3, spot focus with a button to switch to eye]. I have a favourite menu for Landscape - AEB, Electronic off/on, timer off/on, ...] and one for wildlife [precapture, electronic on/off, eye, ....]

Is the R8 compatible with the Canon BR-E1 Bluetooth Remote Control? Can I use the BR-E1 to wirelessly trigger the seven-frame auto exposure bracket? DON"T Know. I use the 2s timer to manage shutter vibration.

In general, I love this camera at its price point. I like the video menus usability more than my R5. I like the analog still vs video. I like the memory and autofocus settings better than R5. The only things I really don't like in order of importances are:
- 24mpx - not much room for cropping
- does not have C3 for optionality. On my R5, I use C1 for landscape on Tripod, C2 for landscape travel, and C3 for wildlife. I have to remember more settings because of the lack of C3.

Others don't like it for
- Lack of IBIS - does not matter for me because I am either on the tripod or shooting fast fps and most my lens have IS
- Different batteries - if it's your only camera this is a non issue. I just carry lots and they are small. And on the road I carry a 3 bay charger and can charge with my power bank. There are lots of generic batteries and they work well but don't tell you how full they are. I have several canon and 6 generic.
- Only 1 slot - I am not a wedding photographer and most of what I do is repeatable and auto backup to another slot is just a pain and slows things down for me.

PM me if you have a specific question....Show more →

Thanks a lot for the help.

Since the R8 doesn't have a joystick, if I don't want to use the touchscreen, can I select the AF points with the four-way directional button?

Were you able to confirm that I can shoot a seven-frame AEB with a difference of one EV?

Is shutter shock really an issue with the R8?

Aug 20, 2024 at 07:33 PM

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I did not encounter shutter shock on the R8 as long as I was using EFCS. When shooting a tele zoom with IS on electronic shutter, i did get unacceptably soft images on a frequent basis- not shutter shock in the conventional sense, but could be blurring due to either ES readout speeds or blurring due to AF adjusting during the exposure.

I'm 99% sure that you can configure the four-way controller to be an AF-point selector. I just used my thumb on the LCD, worked beautifully.

Aug 20, 2024 at 09:03 PM

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I also would not really consider the R8 a "sealed" camera anywhere near the level of the higher-end cameras. I don't have any anecdotal proof to this, but having owned more Canon EOS bodies than I can count, it's not built to the same level.

Aug 20, 2024 at 09:04 PM

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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Questions for Canon EOS R8 owners

The R8 is a fine camera. It is nicely built for its price.

It shares the sensor and AF system with the R6 Mark II. (The AF system is derived from that in the EOS R3, and is excellent.)

Canon's FSI sensor tech is ahead of any other camera maker, so both the R8 and R6 II are highly competitive in their price classes (if the R8 can be said to have any competition). Notably, this sensor's readout speed is a match for the newer Nikon Z6 III and its "world’s first partially-stacked" sensor.

I have no complaints about dynamic range shooting EFCS. That said, I'm not an ISO 100 landscape shooter. But I can't imagine you would find much to complain about here.

Being small and light is of course a primary reason to own the R8. But for achieving better balance with larger lenses, you can add the Canon EG-E1 extension grip (I have it; it's great). There are also third-party battery grips, but I'm not sure they are worth the effort.

I agree the viewfinder is one area of compromise, though it is usably better than most of Canon's APS-C models. (I replaced an EOS R10 with the R8 as a travel camera.)

The R8 lacks an AF joystick which is to me the biggest compromise. Depending on how you like to shoot, this can be a problem, or not. I am unfortunately a left-eyed shooter, so using the rear touchscreen to manage the AF point with the camera at eye level is not really an option for me. I programmed the D-pad to directly control the AF points; it's workable for a travel camera, but I wouldn't want to shoot professional gigs this way. But again, those who can use the touchscreen may find that a fine solution. Or skip all that and just use full screen tracking with auto subject acquisition.

I really like the R8 and can recommend it to anyone. Even for a "serious" photographer, the R8 makes a fine travel camera or an everyday carry with something like the RF 28mm f/2.8 pancake (P&S replacement).

Aug 21, 2024 at 08:33 AM

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lsquare wrote:
Thanks a lot for the help.

Since the R8 doesn't have a joystick, if I don't want to use the touchscreen, can I select the AF points with the four-way directional button?

Were you able to confirm that I can shoot a seven-frame AEB with a difference of one EV?

Is shutter shock really an issue with the R8?

7 exposures is possible.

Okay - I hobbled off to the garage and back and checked, with my broken foot. The AEB number is settable up to 7. You just have to go to the menu 1 of camera settings far right, and you can set it from 2,3,5 or 7. Then it shows up in the 2nd menu of far left.

EFCS is mechanical but only makes mechanical noise (vibration) on end of each exposure, but given noise takes time to dampen, there is some risk of shutter shock in EFCS without pause between (which is not settable ). In electronic (alas 12 bit) this would be reduced since not mechanical. I have not seen shutter shock but always shoot in electronic with this camera. The bigger the lens front weighted you use and lessor the tripod dampening the more risk with EFCS (vs electronic). 14 bit is the same in dynamic range/performance as 12 bit from iso800 but a stop or so up to iso800. But if you are doing AEB, it does not matter, because AEB creates dynamic range. In summary, if you shoot AEB /electronic, shutter shock should not be an issue.

Aug 21, 2024 at 01:33 PM

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ISO1600 wrote:
You keep mentioning mechanical shutter, which the R8 does *not* have. It's either EFCS or full electronic.

You are right there is no "mechanical" in r8 (shutter open and close). I was mixing r5 and r8. But I was inadvertently right since EFCS is mechanical at the end but not at the beginning. [ Just being cute - wrong is wrong. There is no "mechanical' ]

Aug 21, 2024 at 01:56 PM

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garyvot wrote:
The R8 is a fine camera. It is nicely built for its price.

It shares the sensor and AF system with the R6 Mark II. (The AF system is derived from that in the EOS R3, and is excellent.)

Canon's FSI sensor tech is ahead of any other camera maker, so both the R8 and R6 II are highly competitive in their price classes (if the R8 can be said to have any competition). Notably, this sensor's readout speed is a match for the newer Nikon Z6 III and its "world’s first partially-stacked" sensor.

I have no complaints about dynamic range shooting...Show more →

How does the Canon EG-E1 extension grip help achieve a better balance with front heavy lenses, especially if the R8 is on a tripod?

Aug 21, 2024 at 07:12 PM

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lsquare wrote:
With regards to the quality of the bokeh and the EFCS, if the shutter speed is below a certain range, would you be comfortable using fast lenses like the 28-70mm f/2 or the 85mm f/1.2 wide-opened? I'm assuming the R8's AF is more than capable of operating those two lenses at f/2 and f/1.2, respectively? If the R8 is paired with the 85mm f/1.2 and shoots at f/1.2, Eye AF needs to get the eyes sharp. Is it reliable?

I have the R6II, which is essentially the same guts as the R8, but with IBIS and also full mechanical shutter. I notice EFCS bokeh degradation when shutter speed is in the 1/2000 and shorter range. Probably safe between 1/1000 and 1/2000, or with minimal impact. Not sure if the different physical shutter of the R8 vs. the R6II has any effect here.

If this is a concern you may wish to use ND filters with fast lenses to keep shutter speed within a certain range where EFCS bokeh degradation won't occur.

I've read speculation that the R5/6 series cameras drop to 13-bits with continuous advance in EFCS. Not sure if this is only at the higher fps rates, if it's across the board or if it also affects the R8.

Is the R8 compatible with the Canon BR-E1 Bluetooth Remote Control? Can I use the BR-E1 to wirelessly trigger the seven-frame auto exposure bracket?

Not sure, but couldn't you just use the Canon app on your phone to control the camera, fire the shutter, etc.? I'm guessing you always carry your phone and it would be one fewer accessory doo-dad to bring along.

Aug 21, 2024 at 09:30 PM

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lsquare wrote:
How does the Canon EG-E1 extension grip help achieve a better balance with front heavy lenses, especially if the R8 is on a tripod?

I was referring to the balance in the hand, not on a tripod.

It helps the camera feel more substantial by giving your pinky finger something to grip and thus increases the stability with larger lenses.

The nice thing is that you can take it off if you just want the smallest, lightest kit available. But otherwise I tend to just leave it attached to my R8 because I like how it makes the camera feel.

Aug 22, 2024 at 01:09 AM

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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Questions for Canon EOS R8 owners

In my opinion the R8 should be compared to the A7CII for available lenses.

The R8 is compact, but the compact lenses for the R8 are limited.
The RF 24-50mm is a pretty weak performer. Sony 28-60mm is better (not perfect of course). For Canon you have to go 24-105mm stm to get decent IQ, but that's not an extremely compact lens.

The RF 24&35mm f/1.8 stm are fine, if 24 and 35mm is all you need for primes >> go for it. The price is maybe a bit high, but there's a reason the R8 was so affordable....
The RF 16+28mm f/2.8 and 50mm f/1.8 lenses aren't stabilized, and the R8 lacks IBIS. For non moving subjects the ILIS of the 24-105mm stm will gather you more light than the f/2.8 of the 28mm pancake, giving you more DOF as a bonus. The 28mm pancake is nice, but if you need a standard range and not just 28mm it's usage could result in a lot of lens changes.
The 50mm f/1.8 is a weak performer wide open. If you're o.k. shooting it at f/2.8 and darker it's a decent lens, especially for the price, but it's not a true portrait lens like a Sigma FE 50mm f/2.0, Sony FE 50mm f/1.4, etc.
The RF 85mm f/2.0 IS stm is a nice lens as well, but the AF isn't stellar (it's accurate though, and fine for posed portraits), and it's not compact.
For fast moving young kids the AF of the R8 is great, but the AF of the compact stm lenses is limiting this capability. The fast focusing lenses are more expensive, and more importantly: not compact.

All in all the compact RF lenses are limiting the R8 a little. For sports there's no fast AF-ing compact lens, for landscape there's no IBIS, for portraits there's no satisfying compact option like a Samyang 45mm f/1.8, Sigma 50mm f//2.0, Sigma 65mm f/2.0, Samyang 75mm f/1.8 or Sigma 90mm f/2.8.

I'm not saying you shouldn't get the R8 with it's stellar sensor at a great price, just be aware there's a context.

Aug 22, 2024 at 03:29 AM

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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Questions for Canon EOS R8 owners

lsquare wrote:
Historically, Canon's sensors lagged behind Nikon and Sony's cameras. Lately, it seems like Canon has narrowed the gap. According to DXOMARK, the R8 is capable of capturing 14.7 stops at ISO100. However, what's the shadow recovery like when compared to other FF sensors? Is it almost as good as a modern Sony sensor?

Yes, it's every bit as good if not better.

lsquare wrote:
I'm sort of surprised with Canon's achievement considering this isn't a BSI or a stacked sensor. Canon seems to have engineered something using last-generation technology that gives a good performance for the price.

Yes, but there's no IBIS and there's a context for lenses (see my previous post). If you want to unlock the full potential of the camera with fast focusing bright zooms it's pay back time. Compare the price of the RF 24-70mm f/2.8 IS USM to the f/2.8 third party standard zooms for the FE mount for instance. Generally L lenses are 10% more expensive than GM lenses. The FE mount has a fast focusing light weight Sigma FE 50mm f/1.2 at a very good price, whereas Canon only has the crazy expensive slow focusing RF 50mm f/1.2 L. RF 100-500mm fs FE 200-600mm.... etc.

lsquare wrote:
I know the R8 shares a similar AF system as the R3 and the R6 II. I'm assuming that means all Canon RF lenses, including the 24-240mm, will perform well even in low-light situations?

You can make that a fact.

lsquare wrote:
I know the R8 is small and light. When used with a heavy lens like the 28-70mm f/2, I assume it'll be front-heavy, but what about with a tripod? I'm assuming no stability issues?

The f/2.0 zoom is heavy, but's not a long lens, and the centre of gravity is relatively close to the camera. I would avoid heavy long lenses using peak design captures to carry around, but I think a non moving tripod is save.

In my opinion front heavy combinations hand hold are never a problem, you should just adapt the position of your hand to the centre of gravity of the combo.

lsquare wrote:
With regards to the quality of the bokeh and the EFCS, if the shutter speed is below a certain range, would you be comfortable using fast lenses like the 28-70mm f/2 or the 85mm f/1.2 wide-opened?

Yes. Please note: filters for the f/2.0 zoom to keep the shutter speed slow enough in bright situations won't be cheap.

lsquare wrote:
I'm assuming the R8's AF is more than capable of operating those two lenses at f/2 and f/1.2, respectively?

Absolutely, however, the limit could be AF speed of the f/1.2 primes. You can shoot sports with the 50mm f/1.2 GM as it's AF is blazingly fast, but you can't definitely do the same thing with RF f/1.2 lenses. A longer fast focusing bright lens is the Sigma 105mm f/1.4 adapted. If you want to shoot soccer with a bright prime that Sigma is better the RF 85mm f/1.2 L, even though it is third party & adapted.

lsquare wrote:
If the R8 is paired with the 85mm f/1.2 and shoots at f/1.2, Eye AF needs to get the eyes sharp. Is it reliable?

Yes

lsquare wrote:
Thanks for the help!
Maybe you should give your question numbers next time.

If you're planning for some expensive RF lenses anyway and you can work around the lack of a full mechanical shutter the R8 is a great fast focusing camera with a great sensor at a great price to slap behind those expensive lenses.

Aug 22, 2024 at 05:34 AM

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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Questions for Canon EOS R8 owners

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Yes, it's every bit as good if not better.

Yes, but there's no IBIS and there's a context for lenses (see my previous post). If you want to unlock the full potential of the camera with fast focusing bright zooms it's pay back time. Compare the price of the RF 24-70mm f/2.8 IS USM to the f/2.8 third party standard zooms for the FE mount for instance. Generally L lenses are 10% more expensive than GM lenses. The FE mount has a fast focusing light weight Sigma FE 50mm f/1.2 at a very good price, whereas Canon only has the...Show more →

Thanks for the help. I didn't know you have the R8. Your profile says you have the R5.

Aug 22, 2024 at 06:41 AM

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